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2014/04/16 21:45:18
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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ClockworkZion wrote: Scipio Africanus wrote: Do people actually say Needs more Skulls? IS THIS A THING?! Also, are they trying to turn their tools into works of art? Because they look very pretty, but that drill looks like it'll be a pain. There's a reason manual drills have oblong cylindrical handles.
Future sand will be made of microscopic skulls. Fascinating. Did they remove the old red tape measure? Because they were one of the only 'microtransactions' (under 10AUD, from GW. ) that I actually felt I got any value out of. I hope they didn't those Skull Tape Measures are actually awful.
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2014/04/16 21:46:02
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Best Hobby<tm> tools, I suppose. As in, sold under a miniature-related brand. Then again, there's plenty of good stuff from Tamiya etc.
The design of the tools looks pretty good, IMO. Lacking a few skulls, but pretty much there. I'm interested to see the quality, though - they'd have to be a lot more solid than the previous plastic tools, if they are to justify the price.
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2014/04/16 23:29:42
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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I think the thing to do is to buy a set, use and abuse them, then go back for a refund when they fall apart. "You did say precision-engineered, and the best, but they didn't last as long as my Tamiya ones at 1/4 the price..."
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2014/04/17 01:39:26
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Fixture of Dakka
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You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
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2014/04/17 01:40:45
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Jehan-reznor wrote:You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
So all of these are handmade by a bunch of old men from Italy?
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2014/04/17 01:41:07
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Jehan-reznor wrote:You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
The only design flaw I notice is lack of skulls.
If it's not 50 skulls/square inch, they're not trying hard enough.
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2014/04/17 02:13:22
Subject: Re:GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Stubborn Hammerer
$1,000,000 and a 50% discount
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So does anyone have any clue whether they're 100% metal now or still plastic/rubber/metal which has been shooped within an inch of its life for the previews?
Not a fan of the Stanley Knife design on the scalpel. At least the current one comes with a crappy plastic cap to slow down the weathering process. That said...not having to tighten the blade and having it at an odd angle to the grip is an advantage. That said, the blades may be somewhat shaky inside the housing if it isn't 100% flush due to the design of the Stanley Knife.
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2014/04/17 02:45:39
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Trying to identify it - but does anyone recognize the blade in that knife? The locking tab looks to be in a different location than all the ones I have. I wonder if GW decided to make a proprietary blade in order to ensure selling replacements. It almost looks like the tail end of a snap blade knife blade, but it really isn't too clear if that is how it is held.
The pin vise looks a bit like, well, a dozen other $10 pin vises. No longer has the rubber handle that people said made it worth the extra bit though...so, that should be interesting. If I were going to spend $30 on a pin vise though, well - I couldn't. No one else charges $30 for a pin vise. I could get a set of 6 for $25...or a nice one with a 3-jaw chuck for $27. Could also get 4 different sized sets of finger drills... Not quite sure where the value is in there take on it this time though.
The clippers - well, if they are bypass like Kroot says - then that must be how GW wants to deal with bit sales. Ensure that parts come off as mangled as possible. There is a reason though that every other tool which is designed for comparable uses has a wider spacing for the handles. Using that one will be a pain, not to mention the skeleton frame is not the most comfortable of designs (great for my knife that I use for cutting cut bait - but when you are trying to manipulate tiny objects, you are not concerned with being able to hose the blood out of them easily). It isn't clear in that image - but it doesn't appear to have any curve to the cutters either. I had a pair years ago that came straight off - and it was always a pain getting into tight areas. Nice to have a bit of a bend. I will reiterate - Xuron. You can get a set of three hobby grade or a pair of their professional grade cutters for the same price.
As mentioned - the blade on the knife looks proprietary. Not a huge fan of retractable blades for this purpose - but they can be designed well. My Xacto frisket knife is retractable - just like a ball point pen, and I picked up a Retract-a-blade a couple months ago with is very solid. This looks more like the bastard child of a snap blade knife (hardly precision) and a cheap plastic Xacto knife. The square handle is not something you will want to use for long - and based on past experience with knives like that, the locking clip will start slipping soon. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there are screws to allow you to open up the body and fix that, so you may need to buy a new handle before you buy a new set of blades (it does come with 5 after all). If you want a retractable balde knife that is not a snap knife. Get the Retract-a-blade. The soft triangle grip is very comfortable, and it takes standard #11 blades which you can pick up replacements for pennies each (quite literally - a package of 100 blades only costs about $30). I haven't seen the price for GW's replacement blades, but it would not surprise me if they were a dollar each or more.
Not much else to say about the others beyond the price. $27 for three cheap sculpting tools (not even a silicone tipped clay shaper) and $20 for a couple grit files...that is crazy town pricing. You can get a full set of cut files and a set of rifflers for less. For the sculpting tools - a set of 5 clay shapers will run you about half that, and you can snag a set of dental tools as well, with money left over to buy a ribbon of GS (not from GW of course).
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Ehsteve wrote:So does anyone have any clue whether they're 100% metal now or still plastic/rubber/metal which has been shooped within an inch of its life for the previews?
The knife looks to have an aluminum or maybe zimac housing with plastic internals. At least they better be plastic on the inside. For that design, you need to have the plastic in order to hold the blade tight. Of course after you change it a few times - the plastic is worn down and will no longer hold tight. The rest of the tools other than the black plastic sculpting tool are metal. Granted - I tend to not like to hold metal for long periods of time when sculpting/modeling and see that largely as a downside. Plastic/rubber handles are a good thing to add comfort for extended periods of use - and those tools just do not look comfortable at all to my eyes.
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Alpharius wrote:Huh.
More like "Precision Re-Branded to be the Most Expensive Hobby Tools in The World"!
That is really the funny thing though. These look to be entirely designed by GW (and it shows). I don't think you could find a real tool manufacturer anywhere who would design and build these of their own volition. If they had gone to Xacto and rebranded a knife, or to Xuron and rebranded a set of flush cutters, or to Colour Shaper and rebranded some sculpting tools - they would have been miles ahead of where these are. Their claim to be "Precision Engineered to be the Best Hobby Tools in the World" wouldn't be nearly as laughable either - as they would actually have been that way.
Each of those companies has decades (some nearing a century) of experience engineering the best hobby tools in the world - and they would be able to provide precision engineering as opposed to overpriced, over designed tools which at best might be serviceable - as worst might be dangerous. Anyone who has used a snap blade knife that the lock started to fail on will know how risky that can be, and those holes in the skeleton frame on the cutter are a blood blister waiting to happen - especially with some of the meaty paws I have seen on some hobbyists.
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2014/04/17 05:44:20
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Was about to say- these don't look particularly comfortable grip wise. As for cutters- Xuron all the way! Heresy Miniatures sell some fantastic tools if anyone's interested..
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2014/04/17 05:50:40
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Painting Within the Lines
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I often work with precision tooling, and we always end up having to go through a detailed scoping and pilot process.
Can a few of you maybe get involved in the next one, I'm never able to judge quality, usability and maintainability by a picture, this would save us money, thanks!
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2014/04/17 06:48:05
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Dakka Veteran
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Sean_OBrien wrote:Trying to identify it - but does anyone recognize the blade in that knife? The locking tab looks to be in a different location than all the ones I have. I wonder if GW decided to make a proprietary blade in order to ensure selling replacements. It almost looks like the tail end of a snap blade knife blade, but it really isn't too clear if that is how it is held. The knife is a retractable scalpel that uses surgical blades.. Which is available for £4.99 on eBay, BTW. Of course the GW version might be more sturdy, I assume the cheap one is plastic.
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2014/04/17 06:59:24
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Mechanized Halqa
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Every time GW does this, it reinforces my opinion that they think we are very stupid.
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2014/04/17 07:09:46
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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ClockworkZion wrote: Jehan-reznor wrote:You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
So all of these are handmade by a bunch of old men from Italy?
It's not Ferrari... get it right guys!
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2014/04/17 07:18:59
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Rogue Inquisitor with Xenos Bodyguards
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I can go to Lowe's and get similar and high quality Kobalt tools sculpting tools, are sculpting tools, but the snips,/knives, hand drill are not unique items, so, yeah, I can get the stuff cheaper, and if I use cash, I can have my roommate who works there get it at discount.
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"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!
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2014/04/17 07:25:45
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Douglas Bader
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Sean_OBrien wrote:The clippers - well, if they are bypass like Kroot says - then that must be how GW wants to deal with bit sales. Ensure that parts come off as mangled as possible.
I doubt it's any kind of plot like that, anyone with enough hobby knowledge to be involved in bits sales isn't going to be using GW's laughably overpriced FineTools™. It's much more likely that it's just a case of someone without any real knowledge of tool design making something that they think looks cool to be a distinctive GW brand. And the few people (mostly clueless newbies and young kids) who buy these tools aren't going to care if they're not very good.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2014/04/17 07:37:02
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Mysterious Techpriest
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"Precission engineered" by the same 6 year old who designed the taurox?
Am I the only one jaded enough to be expecting an datasheet or digital "ibook" on these (or maybe one for each?).
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2014/04/17 07:37:15
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Jehan-reznor wrote:You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
Someone really sent me a private mail explaining the GW bashing, will add [sarcasm]enter comment here[/sarcasm] html code in the future!
[sarcasm]I already ordered 50! [/sarcasm]
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2014/04/17 08:00:13
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Rogue Inquisitor with Xenos Bodyguards
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"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!
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2014/04/17 08:48:59
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Dakka Veteran
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The clippers don't seem to be bypass, looks like the angled blades are against each other. I'm more worried that they don't seem to have a spring in them, which would make them very annoying to use, if you have to manually open them after each snip.
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2014/04/17 08:59:40
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Calculating Commissar
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There must be some spring mechanism in them, there's no way even they'd release clippers than you need to manually open each snip (especially since there's no loop like scissors to allow you to just pull them open). It's probably been photoshopped out for some reason.
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2014/04/17 09:20:23
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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prowla wrote: Sean_OBrien wrote:Trying to identify it - but does anyone recognize the blade in that knife? The locking tab looks to be in a different location than all the ones I have. I wonder if GW decided to make a proprietary blade in order to ensure selling replacements. It almost looks like the tail end of a snap blade knife blade, but it really isn't too clear if that is how it is held.
The knife is a retractable scalpel that uses surgical blades.. Which is available for £4.99 on eBay, BTW. Of course the GW version might be more sturdy, I assume the cheap one is plastic.
Nope, the £5 one from ebay is metal, its an old design from Swann and Morton. you can get large boxes of the blades for cheap too. the recast on the outside of the GW one looks really uncomfortable to use for a long period of time tho....
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2014/04/17 11:47:45
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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sockwithaticket wrote:That promo line makes me want to try and bring a false advertising suit. If only I had the money to go toe to toe with GW legal.
Good news! You're in the UK, which means you don't need to fork over a single penny, we can just contact the Advertising Standards Authority and report them for making false or unverifiable claims. There's a reason Carlsberg lager advertised using the slogan " probably the best lager in the world" - a fun bonus is if GW tried using that phrasing we could then forward their ads on to Carlsberg Group and enjoy the show as their legal team rips GW's in-house Finelawyers to pieces
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
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2014/04/17 11:54:54
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Wow. GW's balls never seem to stop growing.
I worked for them 15 years ago and had trouble keeping a straight face when ringing up hobby tools. Now they are just ridiculous.
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2014/04/17 12:29:12
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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OneManNoodles wrote:"Precission engineered" by the same 6 year old who designed the taurox?
Am I the only one jaded enough to be expecting an datasheet or digital "ibook" on these (or maybe one for each?).
You wish the Taurox was designed by a 6 year old and not an adult working for GW.
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2014/04/17 12:34:42
Subject: Re:GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Brigadier General
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This must be the most negatively received release by GW yet LOL.
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2014/04/17 12:35:14
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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cyphertheory wrote:
Nope, the £5 one from ebay is metal, its an old design from Swann and Morton. you can get large boxes of the blades for cheap too. the recast on the outside of the GW one looks really uncomfortable to use for a long period of time tho....
I do like the scalpel blade, as there's a ton of different shapes to choose from. The retractable design is pretty practical, too. The downside is, the 'plug' sticks out in the middle of the blade, so it's more difficult to plunge the knife into materials like foam or cardboard. Also most blades are designed for cutting soft stuff in surgery, so they are pretty thin and won't take as much abuse. So, you probably still want an X-acto knife for some uses.
Oh well, I'll probably order a couple of those eBay scalpels, instead
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2014/04/17 12:40:42
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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prowla wrote: Sean_OBrien wrote:Trying to identify it - but does anyone recognize the blade in that knife? The locking tab looks to be in a different location than all the ones I have. I wonder if GW decided to make a proprietary blade in order to ensure selling replacements. It almost looks like the tail end of a snap blade knife blade, but it really isn't too clear if that is how it is held.
The knife is a retractable scalpel that uses surgical blades.. Which is available for £4.99 on eBay, BTW. Of course the GW version might be more sturdy, I assume the cheap one is plastic.
It's funny you should use that one as an example of a cheaper knife, as those are the one's GW sold about 5 years ago. I still use one, replacement blades are cheap as on ebay. I wonder if swann and morley still make the GW stuff?
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2014/04/17 12:46:50
Subject: Re:GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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I think GW's hobby tools range is squarely aimed at parents and people who don't know better**, so it's never going to be well received by the enthusiast wargaming crowd who actually know where to buy better quality tools at lower prices.
Miniatures are more subjective, where as with tools it's hard to argue that a lower quality product at a higher price is a good thing.
**(not to say all people who buy GW tools don't know better, sometimes you just want something and knowing GW sells it saves you time that you're willing to pay money to get and that's fine as well, but I think for the most part their target audience is a mother being told "little Jimmy will need X, Y and Z to assemble his models, but don't worry, we stock them all here!" or people who haven't experienced proper tools).
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2014/04/17 13:41:07
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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But guys, it's not aimed at us. It's aimed at the hobbyist who just wants to enjoy the hobby. You're not intended to go out and buy them all at once. Just piece meal them until you have a full collection...
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
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2014/04/17 14:14:24
Subject: GW 4th week of April releases: Tools (1st post with pic and Euro prices)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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prowla wrote: cyphertheory wrote:
Nope, the £5 one from ebay is metal, its an old design from Swann and Morton. you can get large boxes of the blades for cheap too. the recast on the outside of the GW one looks really uncomfortable to use for a long period of time tho....
I do like the scalpel blade, as there's a ton of different shapes to choose from. The retractable design is pretty practical, too. The downside is, the 'plug' sticks out in the middle of the blade, so it's more difficult to plunge the knife into materials like foam or cardboard. Also most blades are designed for cutting soft stuff in surgery, so they are pretty thin and won't take as much abuse. So, you probably still want an X-acto knife for some uses.
Oh well, I'll probably order a couple of those eBay scalpels, instead
Make sure you get 10, 10a or 11 blades, as they are best shape and size, some of the ones in your image above are too large for the retractable knife
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