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 Azreal13 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Coward

Reported.

I dislike BTP as much as anyone but the guy is right, this thread is supposed to be an objective, neutral blog to document the BTP process. But you prats are just hijacking it to make it your own personal rant thread. Take it to Tenebre's thread.

If it were truly meant to be objective and neutral, starting a discussion thread was a flawed idea from the get go. At least, one created before/during the event.

EDIT
Oh, and don't declare you're reporting someone for name calling and then call them names - kinda undermines your position.

I think even the mods would agree that calling people cowards is prattish behaviour.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Coward

Reported.

I dislike BTP as much as anyone but the guy is right, this thread is supposed to be an objective, neutral blog to document the BTP process. But you prats are just hijacking it to make it your own personal rant thread. Take it to Tenebre's thread.

If it were truly meant to be objective and neutral, starting a discussion thread was a flawed idea from the get go. At least, one created before/during the event.

EDIT
Oh, and don't declare you're reporting someone for name calling and then call them names - kinda undermines your position.

I would like to remind you that people were basically calling me a liar/accusing me of being a BTP employee in tenebre's thread for wanting to make this thread AFTER the entire process was done. ALSO the post was originally in the painting & modelling blogs but was moved by a moderator.

And now I am being called a coward because people cant read/dont want to follow the rules I set in my threads.

 Ustrello wrote:
a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person.

He sits there and rags on tenebre and calls him out, then when it happens to him its all of a sudden too much and shuts it down.

Regardless, its off topic. Take it to Tenebre's thread.

I want to watch this BTP project from start to finish. That won't happen if you guys hijack this thread and prompt the OP to close it.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Coward

Reported.

I dislike BTP as much as anyone but the guy is right, this thread is supposed to be an objective, neutral blog to document the BTP process. But you prats are just hijacking it to make it your own personal rant thread. Take it to Tenebre's thread.

The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

Still off topic.

 M0ff3l wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Coward

Reported.

I dislike BTP as much as anyone but the guy is right, this thread is supposed to be an objective, neutral blog to document the BTP process. But you prats are just hijacking it to make it your own personal rant thread. Take it to Tenebre's thread.

If it were truly meant to be objective and neutral, starting a discussion thread was a flawed idea from the get go. At least, one created before/during the event.

EDIT
Oh, and don't declare you're reporting someone for name calling and then call them names - kinda undermines your position.

I would like to remind you that people were basically calling me a liar/accusing me of being a BTP employee in tenebre's thread for wanting to make this thread AFTER the entire process was done. ALSO the post was originally in the painting & modelling blogs but was moved by a moderator.

And now I am being called a coward because people cant read/dont want to follow the rules I set in my threads.

I'm sorry to tell you, but unless the discussion is off topic or breaks some other Dakka rule, and consequently becomes a moderation issue, you have no more right to set "rules" in your thread than I do. We all tacitly agree to be bound by forum rules by continuing to post here, one of those rules is not to only talk about what other people tell us it is ok to talk about.

You cannot have been ignorant to the controversy this thread may have attracted when starting it, and if you weren't prepared to rise above it, ignore it or confront it, then I stand by my assertion that starting a discussion thread perhaps wasn't the best idea - Dakka has an article system that may have better suited your purposes.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Still off topic.

Still a hypocrite. Also it doesn't matter as OP asked for it to be locked.

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Still off topic.

Still a hypocrite. Also it doesn't matter as OP asked for it to be locked.

Says the person who's committing the same behaviour that he's accusing M0ff3l of.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Still off topic.

Still a hypocrite. Also it doesn't matter as OP asked for it to be locked.

Says the person who's committing the same behaviour that he's accusing M0ff3l of.

Being a coward? No i'd say not, I called you out on your behavior that is facing the problem head on

Anyways I am done with you.

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Still off topic.

Still a hypocrite. Also it doesn't matter as OP asked for it to be locked.

Says the person who's committing the same behaviour that he's accusing M0ff3l of.

Being a coward? No i'd say not, I called you out on your behavior that is facing the problem head on

Accusing him of lying. Hijacking the thread.

Anyways I am done with you.

Good riddance.

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Still off topic.

Still a hypocrite. Also it doesn't matter as OP asked for it to be locked.

Says the person who's committing the same behaviour that he's accusing M0ff3l of.

Being a coward? No i'd say not, I called you out on your behavior that is facing the problem head on

Anyways I am done with you.

Youre argueing/calling names over the internet, basically the embodiment of courage right?

 M0ff3l wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Still off topic.

Still a hypocrite. Also it doesn't matter as OP asked for it to be locked.

Says the person who's committing the same behaviour that he's accusing M0ff3l of.

Being a coward? No i'd say not, I called you out on your behavior that is facing the problem head on

Anyways I am done with you.

Youre argueing/calling names over the internet, basically the embodiment of courage right?

And you doing the same in tenebre's thread?

 Ustrello wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Still off topic.

Still a hypocrite. Also it doesn't matter as OP asked for it to be locked.

Says the person who's committing the same behaviour that he's accusing M0ff3l of.

Being a coward? No i'd say not, I called you out on your behavior that is facing the problem head on

Anyways I am done with you.

Youre argueing/calling names over the internet, basically the embodiment of courage right?

And you doing the same in tenebre's thread?

Please quote ANY post I made where I called tenebre anything.

The only thing I did in tenebres thread was being skeptic and asking for proof, and not in the form of a 40 minute video.

Please, can we try to act with just a modicum of maturity, so the thread is simply closed, rather than closed with extreme prejudice, I'm seeing enough backbiting here to result in some time on the naughty step - remember it is Thanksgiving and many of the Mods will be drunk.

M0ff3l, just ignore him. Add him to your block list. If they want to rant, let them rant amongst themselves.

Just post your updates and keep everyone informed.

I'm by no means a fan of BTP (as anyone can see by my posts in Tenebre's thread) but I want to see this whole process and project play out.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
M0ff3l, just ignore him. Add him to your block list. If they want to rant, let them rant amongst themselves.

Just post your updates and keep everyone informed.

I'm by no means a fan of BTP (as anyone can see by my posts in Tenebre's thread) but I want to see this whole process and project play out.

Im thankfull for your support of this thread, but im done with it. I already asked for the closing and Im happy. If all the people want is more reason to rage at BTP I wont put effort into supplying it for them.

You guys are acting like kids on a playground. Just block him.

As far as setting your own rules OP, the only people here who do this are the moderators and administrators of Dakka, you have as much control as I do or a man on the moon.

Quite frankly, these posts are right to a degree though. Now that your work seems to be in jeopardy by BTP/others are criticizing your actions, you are okay with the thread lock. Also, you did white knight this little project of yours in BTP's threads just to spite Ten. Now that it hasn't gone all rainbows and sunshine for you, you want the lock. Those of us following this want to see what happens so we can quite calmly state "I told you so," or something else, should you actually get what you pay for.

Honestly OP, I would be livid over a company walking off with a rhino worth of bits. To each his own but, throwing money at a scammy charity is stupid.

Anyways, I hope this thread stays open so that we may see the fruits of your, and BTP's labors.

Wow.

Just...wow.

Next person to break the rules in this thread?

Loooooong vacation from Dakka Dakka.

 motyak wrote:
Limit your discussion to this thread, stuff to do with other BTP related shenanigans can be mostly confined to the other thread. Further OT stuff will receive warnings

I would like to redirect you to this post by a MOD made earlier in this thread when things went off rails. So clearly there is some agreement between me and the mods about what this topic is for. Yes I cant set rules, what I did was warn people that I would do exactly what I did when this thread became a hate wagon against BTP like tenebres thread.

Granted, but people's reaction to how much you have been charged for an element of your project is absolutely on topic. If that's been largely negative, it may suggest something to you.

You're absolutely correct that it's your money and your models, but if you're going to share this information in a public forum, you have no right to dictate how people react to it.

Frankly, I'm only surprised at the fact that it seems to have been a substantial delay between you sharing the info about the Havoc Launchers and the apparent backlash, I remember commenting something akin to "you could buy the whole Rhino for that" what feels like weeks ago, but it didn't appear to phase anyone else back then.

commenting on personal feelings about being charged for two Chaos Rhino kits to get two Havoc Launchers is very much on topic...
some people feel you are getting ripped off in this instance...
you are obviously fine with their policy...
a difference of opinion is not an attack on you, nor is the subject off-topic...
it is directly related to this commission that you are having done...

calling out the fact that you are not being given pics of work in progress, or a test mini for the scheme to get approved is more worrying than the bits policy...
how do you know that you will be getting the look that you want???
this is an honest question to you, by the way, MOff3I...

cheers
jah

 Azreal13 wrote:
Granted, but people's reaction to how much you have been charged for an element of your project is absolutely on topic. If that's been largely negative, it may suggest something to you.

You're absolutely correct that it's your money and your models, but if you're going to share this information in a public forum, you have no right to dictate how people react to it.

Frankly, I'm only surprised at the fact that it seems to have been a substantial delay between you sharing the info about the Havoc Launchers and the apparent backlash, I remember commenting something akin to "you could buy the whole Rhino for that" what feels like weeks ago, but it didn't appear to phase anyone else back then.

Thats just because Tenebres thread is slowing down, so people are now actively looking for reasons they can flame BTP for... And youre right, there was going to be negative feedback. But people on this forum could be bit more polite and reasonable. If the responses had been something along the lines of:

Hey M0ff3l, I believe paying 60$ for 2 havoc launchers is a rip off, you should send them an email asking for clearafecation of this and maybe ask them if you can get the rest of the kit they took the bits from.

instead of:

WOW I CANT BELIEVE BTP CHARGES THAT MUCH AND THEN WONT EVEN GIVE THE BITS BACK TO THE CLIENT WHO DIDNT EVEN ASK FOR THAT YET JEEZ!

Because honestly, I only saw 1 post resembling my first example and the rest were all along the lines of that second example. And that is the exact reason why I am happy this thread is getting closed.

 jah-joshua wrote:
commenting on personal feelings about being charged for two Chaos Rhino kits to get two Havoc Launchers is very much on topic...
some people feel you are getting ripped off in this instance...
you are obviously fine with their policy...
a difference of opinion is not an attack on you, nor is the subject off-topic...
it is directly related to this commission that you are having done...

calling out the fact that you are not being given pics of work in progress, or a test mini for the scheme to get approved is more worrying than the bits policy...
how do you know that you will be getting the look that you want???
this is an honest question to you, by the way, MOff3I...

cheers
jah

I know that I will get what I want because I sent them 6 pages of instructions and examples of how to paint my models. When they send me pictures and I feel like they did not follow my orders I can get it changed for free, that is one of their policies... That way instead of doing test models, sending pics to the client, waiting for response etc, they work way more efficient.

Because honestly, I only saw 1 post resembling my first example and the rest were all along the lines of that second example. And that is the exact reason why I am happy this thread is getting closed.

What, so you're not going to document the process now?

Is it getting closed? I've seen mod activity since you requested it and it's still open?

See, I would comment on what you said about instructions but, you've made it clear Ten's thread cannot be discussed in correlation to yours. Still, it's almost impossible not to due to your behavior on the other thread, so I'm going to leave this one and lurk on it instead, or PM you my thoughts directly.

Also, this.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Because honestly, I only saw 1 post resembling my first example and the rest were all along the lines of that second example. And that is the exact reason why I am happy this thread is getting closed.

What, so you're not going to document the process now?

 M0ff3l wrote:


I know that I will get what I want because I sent them 6 pages of instructions and examples of how to paint my models. When they send me pictures and I feel like they did not follow my orders I can get it changed for free, that is one of their policies... That way instead of doing test models, sending pics to the client, waiting for response etc, they work way more efficient.

Do you honestly think repainting an army is more time efficient than painting 1 mini and sending you some HD pics?

 Flippa wrote:
Is it getting closed? I've seen mod activity since you requested it and it's still open?

The mod who posted and the mod I pm'd are not the same. I didnt pm every single mod on the forum to close my thread...


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Because honestly, I only saw 1 post resembling my first example and the rest were all along the lines of that second example. And that is the exact reason why I am happy this thread is getting closed.

What, so you're not going to document the process now?

Clearly it is not appreciated, so no I will not put anymore effort into it.


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 Flippa wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:


I know that I will get what I want because I sent them 6 pages of instructions and examples of how to paint my models. When they send me pictures and I feel like they did not follow my orders I can get it changed for free, that is one of their policies... That way instead of doing test models, sending pics to the client, waiting for response etc, they work way more efficient.

Do you honestly think repainting an army is more time efficient than painting 1 mini and sending you some HD pics?

If they can get enough projects right on the first try then yes I would believe so.

Edited: See, I want to post something but, I'm afraid to due to the weird setup this thread has. Is it cool if I just PM it to one of you guys or the mods to see if it is alright to post?

And if they don't then they have weeks or months worth of repaints?

 Stormwall wrote:
Edited: See, I want to post something but, I'm afraid to due to the weird setup this thread has. Is it cool if I just PM it to one of you guys or the mods to see if it is alright to post?

The thread is already getting closed, so at this point, post what ever pleases you.

EDIT: that is ofcourse as long as it follows the regular rules for posting.