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 bubber wrote:
I learned from the 1st HH weekender that the HH storey was basically 1 paragraph to fill a hole in the Slaves to Darkness book....

I seem to remember it being several pages, with it's own warband rules and mutation tables. However that could be the other volume.

 bubber wrote:
I learned from the 1st HH weekender that the HH storey was basically 1 paragraph to fill a hole in the Slaves to Darkness book....

It was also invented to justify the first edition of Epic (Space Marine). GW didn't have the resources to produce miniatures for multiple races, so they'd needed a Space Marine vs. Space Marine conflict to justify only having to produce a single range of miniatures. Hence the Horus Heresy was born...

 Malika2 wrote:
What Alpha Legion story, and what was said about the Demiurg?

"The Serpent Beneath" which is the last story in "The Primarchs" anthology. I really liked it and it's a must read if you want a better understanding of how the Alpha Legion operates.

As for the Demiurg:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 the clone wrote:
i really want some plastic 30k, at the moment i am scavenging around and rounding up some mark 5 armour from the tactical squads (i know they aren't 30K but i still like them) i also think they should do armour upgrade kits for instance for mk4 you could have a set which includes 5 mark4 heads, 10 mark4 shoulder pads, any needed leg upgrades, 5 mark4 torsos and arms along with another set which includes all the necessary weapons and back packs

Err Mk V is "Heresy" pattern armour. Not really used til later in the Heresy but still very much 30K era stuff. The Mk VI Corvus (the bits you get in tac squads) I think was just about 30K era and dubbed that in honour of Corax IIRC


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 Laemos wrote:
Squats are not coming back ever.

The only way I could see that happening, is if they were included in the Imperial Army/Solar Auxilia stuff. Which doesn't seem likely.

sorry my bad, i meant mk 6 which isnt really 30k

Just saw this on Spikey Bits:

This may be one of the deals we’ve ever heard of from Games Workshop.

I hope this turns out to be true, cause WOW I don’t think finding Heresy players will be hard if getting the miniatures is this easy!

via Voices in the Trees 3-8-2015

Horus Heresy Starter Set

2 sides, Identically Equipped

Models are NOT legion marked.

Generic Heresy-era models.



– Early Heresy mark armor Astartes x20

– Cataphractii Terminators x5

– Contemptor Dreadnought x1

– Praetor x1



These contents seem to line up with the last set of rumors we heard back in FEB.

via Steve the Warboss 2-25-2015

-Gaming Set Includes a Supplement for the Age of Darkness
-Rules and a Dettachment for Playing Legio Astartes and Xenos in the Past of 40k
-A new Allied Matrix including Xenos of the 31st Millenium
-Very generic Dataslates for the Models, only the featured Characters will have specific Background, but can used for any Legion
-Unlike the previous Sets, the Squads will have no unique Leaders, only names “Sergeant”
-Box will include 6 versions of new Sprues

 Perkustin wrote:

 bubber wrote:
I learned from the 1st HH weekender that the HH storey was basically 1 paragraph to fill a hole in the Slaves to Darkness book....

I seem to remember it being several pages, with it's own warband rules and mutation tables. However that could be the other volume.

It was a 1 line fluff quote in the first Chapter Approved book, then expanded in Adeptus Titanicus and the 2 Chaos books.

Adeptus Titanicus used it because a civil war type game let them use the same plastic models for both sides and saved on production costs!

 Accolade wrote:
Who are these "sisters" you speak of. Sisters of Sigmar?

I own a small warband of those. Wouldn't mind seeing those wimple wearing women in plastic.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Just saw this on Spikey Bits:

This may be one of the deals we’ve ever heard of from Games Workshop.

I hope this turns out to be true, cause WOW I don’t think finding Heresy players will be hard if getting the miniatures is this easy!

via Voices in the Trees 3-8-2015

Horus Heresy Starter Set

2 sides, Identically Equipped

Models are NOT legion marked.

Generic Heresy-era models.



– Early Heresy mark armor Astartes x20

– Cataphractii Terminators x5

– Contemptor Dreadnought x1

– Praetor x1



These contents seem to line up with the last set of rumors we heard back in FEB.

via Steve the Warboss 2-25-2015

-Gaming Set Includes a Supplement for the Age of Darkness
-Rules and a Dettachment for Playing Legio Astartes and Xenos in the Past of 40k
-A new Allied Matrix including Xenos of the 31st Millenium
-Very generic Dataslates for the Models, only the featured Characters will have specific Background, but can used for any Legion
-Unlike the previous Sets, the Squads will have no unique Leaders, only names “Sergeant”
-Box will include 6 versions of new Sprues

If this is true, I may have to buy about 4 boxes of these, So, each side has all of that? That would mean each box had 40 marines, 10 terminators, 2 contemptors, and 2 praetors.

I just hope these sculpts don't suck, #dontscrewupGW

Praying the rumour is totally not true. Really enjoying the HH books but have really no interest in the 30k era models. A couple of the tanks are pretty tidy and the contemptor dreads are certainly nicer than the 40k boxes of grump. 30k armour though - no thx; so much prefer the mkVII/VIII SM armour. I really would prefer to GW to shelve the 30k stuff, leave it up to FW and refocus on getting the 40k stuff sorted out. The sisters (not much of a fan) derserve to be finally done, plastic aspect warriors warriors bcs seriuosly screw wasting money on shitecast models of decade old sculpts. CSM...'bout time they had a decent treatment n'all. The list is endless.
30k plastics.....meh, not for me, my wallet breathes a sigh of much neede relief

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Just saw this on Spikey Bits:

This may be one of the deals we’ve ever heard of from Games Workshop.

I hope this turns out to be true, cause WOW I don’t think finding Heresy players will be hard if getting the miniatures is this easy!

via Voices in the Trees 3-8-2015

Horus Heresy Starter Set

2 sides, Identically Equipped

Models are NOT legion marked.

Generic Heresy-era models.



– Early Heresy mark armor Astartes x20

– Cataphractii Terminators x5

– Contemptor Dreadnought x1

– Praetor x1



These contents seem to line up with the last set of rumors we heard back in FEB.

via Steve the Warboss 2-25-2015

-Gaming Set Includes a Supplement for the Age of Darkness
-Rules and a Dettachment for Playing Legio Astartes and Xenos in the Past of 40k
-A new Allied Matrix including Xenos of the 31st Millenium
-Very generic Dataslates for the Models, only the featured Characters will have specific Background, but can used for any Legion
-Unlike the previous Sets, the Squads will have no unique Leaders, only names “Sergeant”
-Box will include 6 versions of new Sprues

I would be so tempted to buy a box for myself. Half of it could be converted into reinforcements for my ever-growing CSM army, while the other half would be a refreshing new small force for me to play. Might serve as allies for my eventual Mechanicum army that I'll undoubtedly start once I have the funds.

I'm hoping that the cost for these will be reasonably accessible, if the rumour is true. If their intentions are to get more people into 30k, which we know isn't cheap, then they would do well to give us an excellent deal on this.

 Januine wrote:
Praying the rumour is totally not true. Really enjoying the HH books but have really no interest in the 30k era models. A couple of the tanks are pretty tidy and the contemptor dreads are certainly nicer than the 40k boxes of grump. 30k armour though - no thx; so much prefer the mkVII/VIII SM armour. I really would prefer to GW to shelve the 30k stuff, leave it up to FW and refocus on getting the 40k stuff sorted out. The sisters (not much of a fan) derserve to be finally done, plastic aspect warriors warriors bcs seriuosly screw wasting money on shitecast models of decade old sculpts. CSM...'bout time they had a decent treatment n'all. The list is endless.
30k plastics.....meh, not for me, my wallet breathes a sigh of much neede relief

Yep, really hope that this box is a one and done thing. There is so much thing that need time and love in 40k, that it would be ridiculous to waste more ressources on yet another kind of SM

That box sounds way too good to be true. What would they charge for that?

I can't imagine GW cannibalizing the sales of their Forgeworld models this badly. It's one thing to release a formerly resin kit in plastic, another to start trying to convert an entire game over. I have a hard time buying this one.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I can't imagine GW cannibalizing the sales of their Forgeworld models this badly. It's one thing to release a formerly resin kit in plastic, another to start trying to convert an entire game over. I have a hard time buying this one.

You kidding? This box is the perfect Gateway Drug to Forgeworld.

Let GW make the most common kits (space marines, dreadnoughts, etc) in plastic so that it frees up production space for Forgeworld.

Let GW make those kits available in their stores to introduce 30k to the masses... which includes not JUST the FW models, but also all the Black Library books, two birds with one stone.

Let GW make their own rules for a marine-on-marine game for 30k that may even share most of the rules of 30k as FW does it, and have it be on a smaller scale or something, with the bigger scale being Forgeworld.

Then, let GW sell FW stuff in stores, expanding on an already successful line.

It's the best decision they could make, actually, and there'd be no cannibalization at all.

 Eldarain wrote:
That box sounds way too good to be true. What would they charge for that?

I'd guess $120 to $140. Dark Vengeance marines were 10 PA troops, 5 terminators, 3 bikes, and 2 characters. CSM got 20 cultists, 5 PA troops, a character, and a dread. total, 35 infantry, 5 terminators, 3 characters, 3 bikes, and a dread. Heresy box rumor is 40 PA troops, 10 terminators, 2 dreads, and 2 characters. Call the bikes the same as a dread, and DV is short only 5 PA troops and 5 terminators, but since they are duplicates, they could just do 2 large sprues and double them.

IF true, I will preorder 2 from my FLGS at a minimum. convert 1 box into the core of a Heresy era IF force, and mix the other box into my 40K marines.

If that contents list is actually true, I might even go for 3 boxes, split some over with friends and mix the rest up nicely with my Scorpions. Might even be tempted to start a HH army then. Let's first see what comes of it all though, I'm a bit sceptical still, really does sound to good to be true.

I would be perfectly happy if these x20 "Early Mark Marines" turn out to be 4 of each mark. I wouldn't mind that rumor to be true. I'd consider going in on a box. Having some Marines with clean, Aquila-free, purity seal-free, skull-free armor would be wonderful. Then I could have some proper Reasonable Marines.

This is the most wish-listy sounding rumor ever.

Pardon me if I raise a skeptical eyebrow at this. 50 generic infantry plus two characters and two Contemptors, all boxed up and plastic? O_o

Of course, people thinking a boxed set with that many models wouldn't end up north of $350 is fooling themselves. That's basically twice as many models as Warriors of the Fang ($170) or Blood Rain Strike Force ($267). Even if they were DV style snapfits, still north of $200.

A discounted boxed set of Horus Heresy figures would not only undercut FW sales, it would be ridiculously outside the GW business model. I mean, if they were actually generic, it's not two armies. It's one giant box of "Hey, here's 60% of a Horus Heresy army." Especially if an enterprising modeler can swap the weapons out.

Whatever this Heresy kit in May ends up being, this rumor is a fantasy, lol. A Horus Heresy kit (or self-contained game) is believable. A vastly discounted miracle box is not.

GW specifically replaced the AoBR marines with ones covered in iconography just to stop the starter box being a cheap alternative for army builders. Why would they go back on that now and make generic cheap troops to undercut their own Forgeworld line? Seems a bit optimistic to me.

Maybe they are desperate for sales and further growth? So a miracle box which if the actual contents turns out to be anywhere near as good as this will sell like hotcakes and act as a solid foundation for a new third system justifying the risks of such a project which can then hit the ground running and if they follow through with the making forgeworld available direct from stores that's where I would imagine the real money is.

Most of their main range is direct only, I doubt specialist stuff like Forgeworld is going to end up in shops. They're increasingly making their products novice friendly by making everything in plastic and cutting out the finecast . Now they'll introduce Forgeworld into stores? Doesn't fit the pattern, it's really not a product for high street shops because your average high street shopper doesn't appreciate how to handle and model the material. GW customers are getting used to plastic kits that fall together with minimal work.

I don't think undercutting FW is a real concern here given that they're going to make more in selling plastic HH stuff than they would selling the same stuff in resin from FW.

I hope people are remembering that this rumoured box set is also meant to be 'limited' at least to some extent,

and while the rumour suggested this was going to be on a time basis (6 months ish?) I could easily see it GW producing what they think is 6 months supply which will sell out on day 1...

Steve the Warboss is 50/50 hit and miss. His box contents rumors have often been wrong when predicting products that far away. I would be very careful with his rumors, he does not seem to have good sources at GW like others do (based on Pretre's tracker).

Voices in the Trees is one of the BOLS rumor mongers... They are as reliable as someone making stuff up...

We got from Hastings and Sad Panda the HH set is going to be a standalone board game - which is played on 2D tiles according to Panda. Both are a lot more reliable than StW and BOLS. Hastings said the HH miniatures can be used for 30k/40k but they are designed for a board game first and foremost... So probably no vehicles, maybe a walker. And a few character models

The comparisons with Epic's 1st Edition make sense but I think GW will use this chance to produce lots of different and amazing miniatures like they did with the latest sets. The production is entirely in-house nowadays and not like the Fighting Fantasy and RTB01 plastics in the late 80s when they had ex-matchbox staff doing the plastics for them

GW has upped the ante with Black Reach -> Space Hulk -> Dark Vengeance and there is a good chance the next major boxed game release will be of even better quality

drbored wrote:

You kidding? This box is the perfect Gateway Drug to Forgeworld.

It would be, if handled correctly.

So what I can see happening is a new Space Hulk but set in 30k. Stand-alone box in a one-off run. The game will be brilliant and the mini's will be great, but after launch day it'll be hellish to get hold of and the advantages of plastic wasted. They won't then follow it up with more public 30K support, so it'll do little for FW's bottom line.

I can see it being the 50 marines + 2 characters + 2 dreadnaughts, but the price will be eye watering because "limited edition" and "Horus Heresy". It'll easily be £90/$150.

Hastings said GW plans to release the HH board game miniatures separately after the game sold out/is discontinued

Sounds to good to be true.

If the price isn't eye bleeding expensive, and they aren't terribly sculpted snap together so or are multipart kits, I'll buy 2. 20 cataphractii to mix into my terminators/strike force ultra/unbound UM first company sounds great to me.

Yep if true (obviously taking into account a vast salt pile) I can see myself picking up half a dozen or so.

It may not be so far fetched, it'd be a heck of a gateway drug into forgeworld legion specific bits.

30k Space Crusade then?