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Gah! While I would have loved to partake in the KS of SoTR, it seems that it will not come to pass for me.

I think I'll follow along and see what goodies get opened up, but with the minimal perceived value of just a book pledge, I wouldn't be able to pledge any higher.

My AC compressor just took a dive, so now I will have to pull several thousand dollars out of thin air to get my home AC system rebuilt/replaced :(

Been a while since I've posted anything on this forum. To answer some of the questions running through this thread, SOTR can be played at squad level, but is best played at the platoon level. What sets it apart from some of the other Weird War II games is the vast amount of flexibility the player has in creating his force. You can build a "normal" platoon with no weird component, or you can create a platoon that is maxed out with pulp-like goodness. Like an Occult theme? The British have the forces of the Temple (think Crowley), and the Germans have the SWD. Werewolves? Check. Vampires? Check. Zombies? Check. Soviet Werebears? Check. Native American shamans controlling Wendigos? Yup. Four classes of Mecha? Check. King Arthur reborn? Yup. Want to have (not)Captain America lead your U.S. platoon? Got rules that cover that. Wonder "what if" a Centurion tank went toe to toe with a Panther II? Covered.
The original rule book even had a game effect chart that included things like radiation zones, violent weather and Demonic incursions. That's right, you could open a hell mouth and Greater or lesser demons would appear and attack random units from both players forces (my favorite!).
West Wind's SOTR figures are very different from standard WWII minis. The British, German, and US forces all have options to equip their platoons with body armor. The SOTR minis reflect this. They are of the "heroic" type. As for vehicles, page 87 of the V1 rule book recommend 1/50 and or 1/48 scale. The vehicles used in the photographs in the rule book were a mix of Solido, Corgi, and Bandai I believe. Some of these can be seen on the ks home page. It really comes down to personal taste. I have seen armies that use 1/56 vehicles that look stunning, and ones that use 1/48 that get the same result. I use a mix of 1/50 and 1/48 and they look great with the minis on the table. The key is don't mix different scales of the same vehicle.
If you backed the Incursion ks, all of the minis currently have rules in SOTR. The only exceptions are the Hugo, Brigitte, Rosie, MI-13 ack pack, Hilde Becker, and Nigel, but from what has been revealed in the comments section of the ks, it appears they will be getting some love in the new rule book. In terms of playability of your Incursion models, the US and British would need to add a starter set to field a rule compliant platoon. The majority of minis in Incursion and Snafu are either characters or support choices in SOTR. The Germans might be able to field a SWD stumzombie platoon with what you get. I would have to check my Doomsday book to be sure, but I believe it is doable.
A big shock to some players is the range of weapons. Most have the ability to reach the whole table. This makes sense when you realize that a 4 foot by 6 foot table translates into about 75 yards by 112 yards in scale feet (sorry if my math is off a little, long day). It is the modifiers to shooting that will determine if you hit anything. Things die and die fast. You really have to think tactically and take advantage of cover and concealment. It is one of the things I like best about the game..

yeah,
As an Incursion Bucket of Blood backer I have backed for the book £30... plus £4 postage.
I love the idea of a variant weird history. and getting more use from my buckets of bloods would be excellent.

At £30 is there any saving? How much will the book cost retail?
Will the book pledge level receives any stretch goals?

I may back for a starter faction too if the Weird comes out to play during the campaign.
and I get more information regarding the game and what the starter sets contain.
What makes the starter sets 'Weird'?

FATROC Do we get not BPRD in the rules?

Panic...

Two add-ons that do have a discount





So one of the comments covers the after-campaign part nicely, especially the shipping part.
After the campaign closes and they are ready to start releasing things, all the backers will have the relevant amount of credit applied to an account in a backer-only shop. As Westwind complete a model/book/whatever it will be added to the shop. The book will be a mandatory part of the purchase, but the rest of the credit spent on whatever you want form the store. You can either save your credit until everything you want is released and get it all sent at once, or you can buy bits and pieces as they are released, but will have to pay postage each time you get something sent out.

It's a shame the zombies are a random mix,

better that they guarantee one of each of the 8 sculpts and 12 random extras (even if it would be a bit more work and pehaps only for KS orders)

The probabilities work out pretty strongly in favour of having the mix you suggest though. Like ~6% chance of one sculpt not appearing in the set and a >0.5% chance of there being 6 or fewer.

That zombie KS price seems very reasonable! And good to see they are trying to encourage more backers.

Anyone know how the SoTR troopers scale with Bolt Action? At this point I was thinking a cheap way of playing would be to get some Bolt Action plastic troopers and buy the gas-masked heads from Westwind separately.

Here are a couple of size comparisons. The Bolt action are the older metal minis.


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Panic- not sure what "BPRD" stands for. Enlighten me and I may be able to help.

I'm guessing BPRD is this

http://hellboy.wikia.com/wiki/Bureau_for_Paranormal_Research_and_Defense

Aaah, now it makes sense. The answer is Yes and No. There is currently no specific faction option dedicated solely to that. However, both the British and U.S. forces have elements that would fall under that umbrella. The British have the Bad Luck Boys from MI-13. These include both commando and paranormal choices. Ash is a teenage girl who is the "fire starter"... cue music now. Sort of like the character from the Hellboy movies. Black Jack is the world's first cyborg. The Hurricane is a super soldier who went through the US's Sentinel program. Dr Lazurus always reminds me of a certain 4th Doctor, but he has the option to take his "pet" vampire with him. The Temple is a mysterious organization that has come out to fight for Crown and Country, but in a much darker form. They can field a flesh golem! The Temple is sort of a Ordo Templus Orientus and Templars mix.
The US has the OSS. They run the super soldier Sentinel program derived from the technology "shared" by the visitors recovered at Roswell. The rules for a Sentinel are perfect for fielding a Captain America, Wonder Woman, or Hellboy type character using an appropriate model. The Crow Dog soldiers fall under OSS control. These are Native Americans drafted into Project Spirit Walker. They are warriors and Medicine Men. They can field a Wendigo.
On the German side, you have the SWD. These guys are responsible for all kinds of nastiness. They have isolated the lycanthropy virus and have weaponized it. They field werewolves. The Wolf-runner program took that one step further and created a hybrid. Not as powerful as a were, but they retain their human mental awareness and dexterity Werewolves with machine guns! The SWD also created the zombies by using V-gas. Germany also has the Vampires that fight for them.

Cerberus is definitely a good step in getting me to pledge. Have West Wind said how big he'll be?

Still holding out for Oni, but I've got this one starred at least until the time being.

Hopefully the secret storefront pledge manager system will take paypal, and then all will be good in my world.

I'm hoping for more info on the Lost Squad...

Here's some guesses. Arc Angel is the Cossack Girl, Nathan Quill is the archer, Molotov is the Surivor, and Dunbar is the Para/SAS sniper from the new artwork. Sterner is the Stiener character from Cross of Iron. Q-ball is Oddball from Kelly's Heros. I think Red Claw will be a Crow Dog character. And I'm hoping that either Iron Ike or Gary Grey is a character based on the iconic art work from the V1 rule book of the Tommy carrying the barbwire wrapped two by four on pg 41. Can't wait to see if I'm in the right ballpark.

FYI Spider Tank size:

Nice comparison shot. That is the largest of the three Spider tanks West Wind makes.

For some 1/56 scale tank models models:

In the U.S.
http://www.goldendist.com/index.php?m=list&mfg=RUM

and for those in the U.K and Germany check this site under distributers.
http://www.rubiconmodels.com/products.php


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@Bubber, any Dust mechs you can compare the Russian spider tank with?

I've gone back and both on the issue a lot, but I think I'm going to stick with 1/48 scale for my WWII models for SoTR!

Those zombies aren't even new sculpts......

I've just discovered this from Clockwork Goblin.

Their upcoming British heavy infantry look very nice as well.

I think you meant to link this one:

http://www.clockworkgoblinminis.co.uk/ourshop/cat_619857-War-Without-End-28mm.html

Maybe?

Anyway - yeah, lots of good Weird War II stuff there!

Ernster wrote:
@Bubber, any Dust mechs you can compare the Russian spider tank with?

Sure - have to dig them out first. Need to do some scale shots for Alpharius too.
I got West Wind Berlin or Bust, Grindhouse Incursion, Studio Miniatures zombies, Warlord Games vehicles plus maybe some other stuff to sort through & photograph.

bubber - thanks for working on these scale shots for us!

 Alpharius wrote:
I think you meant to link this one

ctrl+v fail there.



They do (or at least will do) some nice Germans as well.

I'm failing too - where are the previews located?

Their bookface page.

Found a couple of photos of SOTR US armored infantry with Corgi 1/50 scale vehicles. I believe the modelers name who painted them is Mocaiv.

Here are a couple of photos of Thibo's SOTR mechgrenadiers with what I believe are Tamiya 1/48 scale vehicles.

@Bubber, oh you don't have to dig out your stuff on my account.

@Alpharius, I too have all 1/48 scale stuff. Just provide alternate models for those looking for 1/56. Some vehicles are not produced by some companies while others are. The Rubicon are plastic kits that have to be put together as opposed to corgi or resin kits. This also allows for easier conversion.

So it appears there will be rules for mech design, creature design, and wheeled/tracked vehicle design incorporated into V.2. Love it!

New add-ons:







I like the look of the Hydra, I mean German energy weapons.

Nice add-ons there!

I'll be getting everything except the Soviet stuff!