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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

And I'm talking support tiers, not "power" tiers. GW will always support SM first and foremost.

But it is about power. That's the entire point; the new style of formations creates a problem for the "have-nots". You claimed (and I paraphrase): "Now that DA and CSM are up to bat, the balance issue is solved except for those books I don't care about."

I'm fine with the intermittent releases for GK (I mean, they did just get a codex), and frankly Inq/Stormtroopers don't really need any more units/models. I get that. My issue is that 7th GK (and the other early 7th books) were seemingly created with a different philosophy, having only a couple of middling formations/detachments in their newest books. Really, it costs practically nothing to produce a DLC formation dataslate, and it's not like they're opposed to making them. It would be extraordinarily cheap and easy to toss out a couple of high-power formations for most of the "ignored" books, charge $40 a pop, and call it a day. I cannot believe that releasing a such a product, which would easily make back its development cost, is somehow untenable for GW.

It's not all about power for everyone, at least not if you're a casual.

Please don't get GW back into the habit of selling add-ons to complete the Codex. We *just* got GW selling the whole Codex as a single, contained object instead of multiple non-trivial purchases.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I don't think it's that difficult, and it should be obvious to anybody:

1st tier = Space Marines (duh!)
2nd tier = Chaos, Eldar, Guard, Orks, Nids
3rd tier = sub-codices (GK, BT, BA, DA, SW) and minor forces (Harlies, DE, Tau, Sisters, Inquisition).

And I'm talking support tiers, not "power" tiers. GW will always support SM first and foremost.

As for "got mine", I'm still waiting for my CSM update.

Finally, it's not an attack. It's a statement of fact. GK are low priority. They don't move the needle in sales volume.

pretty obvious you have no clue what you're talking about.
orks has had fewer codices than GK since 3rd.
Tau has had more codices than orks, plus more FW support
SW is relatively well support compared to nids
nids? supported? LOL

also, elves are 1st tier, not SM, having been overpowered 7 editions straight, along with skipping the era of nerfs in 5th (did not get codex update) and 7th (got codex at peak of power curve) you elf players love to whinge and cry about SM a lot. I'd play a SM player, but I wouldn't play against elves, not only because they're overpowered, but also because elves in space is laughably stupid.

The feeling I get is that 40k has undergone a reboot which its all about formations with free super-powers or wargear as a bribe for spending money to facilitate the 40k reboot. Power creep is the new norm

Sorry, but didn't Nids just get bonus monsters after their last Codex?

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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
We *just* got GW selling the whole Codex as a single, contained object instead of multiple non-trivial purchases.

The Skyhammer Annihilation Force was basically what I was talking about. A web-exclusive add-on containing a simple formation dataslate. Just have a design intern pump out a couple of these a week and throw them up on the webstore/BL, and they wouldn't even have to update half of the book range for the next 10 years.

I mean, I agree with you about the support thing. The "3rd tier" books, as you call them, don't have a hugely urgent need for new models or units (with the possible exception of some anti-air), despite what Sisters players will tell you. They could save tons just skipping new model releases for all those books, and instead just release new formations with big, bombastic special rules. It would cost next to nothing, make a little spare change, and keep players hooked. Seems like it would be a win to me; at least more so than right now, where casual players have been aggressively segregated from more competitive players.

I think the real question is whether GW should sell a Decurion / Demi-Company / Warhost thing for GK, Orks, etc., and how much they should charge for those 2 pages of rules.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think the real question is whether GW should sell a Decurion / Demi-Company / Warhost thing for GK, Orks, etc., and how much they should charge for those 2 pages of rules.

Well it would certainly get me to dust off my models if they did.

As for how much it should cost? With GW I think the answer is always "~50-100% more than what everyone is thinking"

 Xca|iber wrote:

As for how much it should cost? With GW I think the answer is always "~50-100% more than what everyone is thinking"

And ~500% more than it's actually worth...

 vipoid wrote:

 Xca|iber wrote:

As for how much it should cost? With GW I think the answer is always "~50-100% more than what everyone is thinking"

And ~500% more than it's actually worth...

And just like the data slates, one guy would buy them and go "hey guys here's the two pages of rules on PDF."

the_scotsman wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Xca|iber wrote:

As for how much it should cost? With GW I think the answer is always "~50-100% more than what everyone is thinking"

And ~500% more than it's actually worth...

And just like the data slates, one guy would buy them and go "hey guys here's the two pages of rules on PDF."

Because why not? Honestly, when it comes to things like this, a few pages released seperate from the main codex release, only released in a digital format, and widely accepted to be necessary to make an army on par with the rest of the game, I don't think anyone should pay for those rules. GW shouldn't charge for them. That's like video game companies charging to patch their broken game.

If GW releases any rules that justify them publishing a physical copy of the rules for sale for armies I own, I'll buy those publications to have a physical copy of the rules. But if the contribution that they're putting forward is so miniscule that GW themselves can't justify printing it on real paper, and instead releases it only as a digital release, I have no compunction about taking a copy of the pdf from "that guy".

Alternatively, I AM of the opinion that every player should own the physical codex for any army they want to play against me, and have it present when they put their models on the table. If there is a rules debate, I don't want to try to navigate your tiny(or huge) phone to read the rules for your army. Further, some people are wierd about other people messing with their phones, and would want to hover over you the entire time while you're reading the rule. It's just much more relaxed if I can look through your codex while you're measuring your moves or whatnot. If I know ahead of time someone doesn't have their codex except in a digital format, I won't plan to play against them.

EDIT: Exception made for a digital only codex like sisters of battle, though it's always appreciated in those cases when someone who has such a codex prints and binds a copy.