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This thread has taken a turn for the awesome; levels of sarcasm that are so high people can't actually detect them.

techsoldaten must be hiding his power level.

I'm not sure what we are doing here. Blue Table Painting. Miniature painting service.

 Frankenberry wrote:
This thread has taken a turn for the awesome

Actually, it kind of hasn't.

It has drifted far off topic, and has stayed too far into farce.

I'm strongly suggesting that everyone get back on topic, and avoid posting for the LULZ.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
This thread has taken a turn for the awesome

Actually, it kind of hasn't.

It has drifted far off topic, and has stayed too far into farce.

I'm strongly suggesting that everyone get back on topic, and avoid posting for the LULZ.

True! Please don't lock it though. It would be a shame to do so before Ten has posted his results.

Well, I don't think we're going to get anything significant until we find new information on the matter, and I'm also guessing we're only gonna get more info once the lawsuit gets its ball rolling.

While the posts are funny, I worry it takes away from the message.

I received a PM from someone accidentally sent to me (they thought i was the the "white knight" thanking me for showing how good BTP is and basically stating that everyone attacking BTP is a competing painting service.

so while i get the idea here it is best to keep in serious and on track so as to convey the real message and not confuse anyone reading the thread.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Reality-Torrent wrote:

Sir, you confuse me! I fail to understand if you are being constantly and very cleverly sarcastic or a mind blank BTP advert, I demand answers!

SARCASMSPLOSION!!!1!

Well, that did it. My sarcasm meter just overloaded.

And it goes up to 11.

On topic:
I suspect that at this point BTP is going to be on its best behavior - having discovered that they are not immune to criticism.

For a while, at least.

If they are smart then they will try to settle this before litigation - but smart... I suspect that you will be seeing them in court.

The Auld Grump

 Alpharius wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
This thread has taken a turn for the awesome

Actually, it kind of hasn't.

It has drifted far off topic, and has stayed too far into farce.

I'm strongly suggesting that everyone get back on topic, and avoid posting for the LULZ.

LULZ are one thing, gently encouraging collective action through humor designed to keep attention on the matter is another.

As tenebre stated in his original post and throughout this thread, the purpose is to raise awareness of the hazards of dealing with Blue Table Painting. Given the costs involved, this is a serious matter that should concern anyone thinking of dealing with that miniature painting service. This is a community and we should care about the other people in it enough to help them be wary of bad situations, or at least give them enough information to make informed decisions.

If my posts somehow violate the original purpose of the thread or stray off topic, I apologize and will simply wait for tenebre to post something about the gradual outcome of his legal case. I can sit here and read all about M0ff3l and his wonderful observations over the outstanding customer service he receives and how BTP gives him exactly what he wants.

But, with all due respect to Alpharius, what is a farce is the fact this dispute remains unresolved and other people are using the forums to whitewash the whole affair. Telling people to limit their speech to simple grousing about the matter doesn't solve anything and turns Dakka into a platform for obscuring the OPs original points.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
This thread has taken a turn for the awesome

Actually, it kind of hasn't.

It has drifted far off topic, and has stayed too far into farce.

I'm strongly suggesting that everyone get back on topic, and avoid posting for the LULZ.

LULZ are one thing, gently encouraging collective action through humor designed to keep attention on the matter is another.

And following the direction of the Moderation staff here on the site is something that EVERYONE agreed to do when they signed up on Dakka Dakka.

I'm going to again STRONGLY suggest everyone do just that.

One recurring theme I have noticed with BTP and their videos, is that when they seem to notice something "off" about a model they painted, they always blame the customer in the video, saying it was a client request. Seems like this is in every video.

 tenebre wrote:
While the posts are funny, I worry it takes away from the message.

I received a PM from someone accidentally sent to me (they thought i was the the "white knight" thanking me for showing how good BTP is and basically stating that everyone attacking BTP is a competing painting service.

so while i get the idea here it is best to keep in serious and on track so as to convey the real message and not confuse anyone reading the thread.

I am totally a competing painting service, it might take me a year to get your army done but I'll get it done

 Ustrello wrote:

 tenebre wrote:
While the posts are funny, I worry it takes away from the message.

I received a PM from someone accidentally sent to me (they thought i was the the "white knight" thanking me for showing how good BTP is and basically stating that everyone attacking BTP is a competing painting service.

so while i get the idea here it is best to keep in serious and on track so as to convey the real message and not confuse anyone reading the thread.

I am totally a competing painting service, it might take me a year to get your army done but I'll get it done

http://www.bluetablepainting.blogspot.com/ here you can learn from the best

 carlos13th wrote:
Sorry are you talking about the Blue Table Painting Miniature Service? Or the Miniature Service offered by Blue Table Painting. I cant be sure.

Definitely Blue Table Painting, a Miniatures painting service, offering miniature painting service under the DBA (doing business as) name of Blue Table Painting. From Spanish Fork, Utah.




EDIT: okay, posted that before i saw Alpharius last couple comments.

We are purposefully putting as many hits into Blue Table Painting, and a miniature painting service, and spanish fork utah, so that searches will lead everywhere back here.
I don't think that's all that far off topic.... but if the mods think so, can we start an awareness thread pointing back here ?

Edit 2: general sense making and Engrish.


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 flabluker wrote:

http://www.bluetablepainting.blogspot.com/ here you can learn from the best

... I can't even handle these guys. LOL.

Sorry if this is off topic, but i just clicked the link to BTP's blog and just saw this "conversion".

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mHGFZJrEfu0/VAsxvANyfpI/AAAAAAAAI24/5Ntgh-VUzP4/s1600/Fungus%2BNids%2B02%2B017.jpg


I can't even right now.

 Lockark wrote:
Sorry if this is off topic, but i just clicked the link to BTP's blog and just saw this "converstion".

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mHGFZJrEfu0/VAsxvANyfpI/AAAAAAAAI24/5Ntgh-VUzP4/s1600/Fungus%2BNids%2B02%2B017.jpg


I can't even right now.

Wuh.....wha...what?

Thanks
Austin

Well Blue table painting thought it would be to put a Lotus pod on top of a plastic nid and paint it. Interesting conversion don't you think?

Karnophage wrote:
Well Blue table painting thought it would be to put a Lotus pod on top of a plastic nid and paint it. Interesting conversion don't you think?

don't forget super blury pics.

 Lockark wrote:

Karnophage wrote:
Well Blue table painting thought it would be to put a Lotus pod on top of a plastic nid and paint it. Interesting conversion don't you think?

don't forget super blury pics.

The blur adds to it... I think they were trying to show motion, nids are VERY fast afterwards

Thanks
Austin

 tenebre wrote:
While the posts are funny, I worry it takes away from the message.

I received a PM from someone accidentally sent to me (they thought i was the the "white knight" thanking me for showing how good BTP is and basically stating that everyone attacking BTP is a competing painting service.

so while i get the idea here it is best to keep in serious and on track so as to convey the real message and not confuse anyone reading the thread.

yea, sorry about that mis-send.


I wasn't saying BTP are good, I said the other guy paid for a basic level and received it.

I didn't say everyone attacking BTP were a competing service, I merely pointed out some of the people saying the CSMs should have been done to a higher standard were commission painters who had lost sight of the fact the CSMs were only paid to be done to a pretty basic standard. They were attacking things like BTP's greenstuff work when there was no GS work to attack. For the sake of honesty they should be honest in their criticisms or it undermines everything you're trying to achieve with BTP.

Again, sorry to hear about your chaos dwarfs experience, but for someone who makes a big deal of honesty I'm not impressed that you've publically misrepresented a message you accidently received. I appreciate they've wasted your time and your money. Doesn't seem to have happened to the other guy, even if you feel he shouldn't be supporting a 'fraud' company.

nareik wrote:

 tenebre wrote:
While the posts are funny, I worry it takes away from the message.

I received a PM from someone accidentally sent to me (they thought i was the the "white knight" thanking me for showing how good BTP is and basically stating that everyone attacking BTP is a competing painting service.

so while i get the idea here it is best to keep in serious and on track so as to convey the real message and not confuse anyone reading the thread.

yea, sorry about that mis-send.


I wasn't saying BTP are good, I said the other guy paid for a basic level and received it.

I didn't say everyone attacking BTP were a competing service, I merely pointed out some of the people saying the CSMs should have been done to a higher standard were commission painters who had lost sight of the fact the CSMs were only paid to be done to a pretty basic standard. They were attacking things like BTP's greenstuff work when there was no GS work to attack. For the sake of honesty they should be honest in their criticisms or it undermines everything you're trying to achieve with BTP.

Again, sorry to hear about your chaos dwarfs experience, but for someone who makes a big deal of honesty I'm not impressed that you've publically misrepresented a message you accidently received. I appreciate they've wasted your time and your money. Doesn't seem to have happened to the other guy, even if you feel he shouldn't be supporting a 'fraud' company.

that is NOT the message i construed from your email. I gave the example of what i worried was happening. My message was to get this back on track to avoid the OTT sarcasm.

now you come in here and try to call me a liar when not only did i NEVER state it as fact but stated my opinion of what I "worried" was happening but insist on trying to publicly discredit my statements.

Fair enough. Maybe you misconstrued my message and weren't purposefully misrepresenting it.

However, you'll note I never called you a liar, I don't appreciate you erroneously summarising a message was not intended to be seen by you, especially not in public. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I just think it is fair for me to clarify what I accidently sent you if you are going to mention it publically.

I absolutely did not say everyone attacking BTP were rival companies, nor did I say every criticism against BTP was baseless. i.e. I did not say they are good.

I apologised for the mistake in sending the message to you instead of the intended recipient, I expressed my sympathies for your bad experience with BTP.

I'm sympathetic to your cause after seeing your evidence, I agree the thread should get back on topic, but making public private correspondence is not the way to do it.

nareik wrote:
Fair enough. Maybe you misconstrued my message and weren't purposefully misrepresenting it.

However, you'll note I never called you a liar, I don't appreciate you erroneously summarising a message was not intended to be seen by you, especially not in public. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I just think it is fair for me to clarify what I accidently sent you if you are going to mention it publically.

I absolutely did not say everyone attacking BTP were rival companies, nor did I say every criticism against BTP was baseless.

I apologised for the mistake in sending the message to you instead of the intended recipient, I expressed my sympathies for your bad experience with BTP.

I'm sympathetic to your cause after seeing your evidence, I agree the thread should get back on topic, but making public private correspondence is not the way to do it.

you are not paying attention. I specifically NEVER said who sent it at all. I only used an example to explain WHY the thread should stay focused on the topic. You are the one who made it "public". I didnt even copy the text, just summarized an example and extrapolated a possible scenario to support the reasons for keeping the thread on topic. Please read what i am writing before getting defensive. The original post was not about anyone but referenced an erroneous message sent by an unnamed person. You have taken it upon yourself to try and defend something that you were not called out upon.

Again .... I stand by my words.... taking this too far off topic I still worry will make people think EXACTLY what i said re: rival companies etc. Please stop creating straw man arguments. I know this is the internet and you need to be right but you are taking this too far. Again remember I NEVER made your comments public at all.

Apparently the multiple warnings I already put in this thread weren't enough.

So here it is again - one last time:

Look at the title of this thread.

THINK long and hard before posting in this thread.

If what you're about to post isn't on topic?

Your post will be deleted and you will get a warning and/or a suspension.

i am not a professional painting studio and sadly do not have a setup to support pictures.

I just got 2 more models yesterday with more on the way. I am going to have them take pro pics before sending from now on. My setup just doesnt do justice.

 tenebre wrote:
i am not a professional painting studio and sadly do not have a setup to support pictures.

I just got 2 more models yesterday with more on the way. I am going to have them take pro pics before sending from now on. My setup just doesnt do justice.

Fair enough, never thought you were one .

That said, we've now seen it seems professional painting studios don't require studio set ups

Yea, having them take pro pics would be awesome

Tenebre,

you really don't need a 'pro' set up to get half decent pics. If you have a few sheets of white paper, a half decent camera or smartphone, and either good daylight or a 'daylight' bulb in a lamp, you can get some decent images. If you want me to, I'm happy to pm you a walk-through.

 Eggs wrote:
Tenebre,

you really don't need a 'pro' set up to get half decent pics. If you have a few sheets of white paper, a half decent camera or smartphone, and either good daylight or a 'daylight' bulb in a lamp, you can get some decent images. If you want me to, I'm happy to pm you a walk-through.

cool! PM sent

 tenebre wrote:

 Eggs wrote:
Tenebre,

you really don't need a 'pro' set up to get half decent pics. If you have a few sheets of white paper, a half decent camera or smartphone, and either good daylight or a 'daylight' bulb in a lamp, you can get some decent images. If you want me to, I'm happy to pm you a walk-through.

cool! PM sent

I can't wait!!!!

looking forward too seeing those new paint jobs man not even close too done with my demon army i am working on lol i am a slow poke

Can't wait to see what you post Tenebre!
I've been doing everything possible to get your story on the web, I've even linked this thread in my signature.

I'm really pulling for you man.
Also, as a side note, make more gaming mayhem stuff on youtube!

I love your channel.
Good luck
I hope everything ends up working out well with the BTP issue, and I'm glad that Frontline has done you a good service, and done everything you've asked.
It's not only good publicity, but the right thing to do.. the thing that BTP should have done the first time.

Again I say good luck
and I'm glad to see you posting

Alpharius, thanks for stepping in, I was really worried this thread would get closed.

Thanks
Austin