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 Alex C wrote:
PP plastics for infantry have always been restic. Are these different?

No.

I will get these. But what do I dont with my min squad of them :(
Maybe bit sits will have these for sale.

Very interested in the story, looking forward to reading how it all pans out.

Lots of goodies this week.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
PP plastics for infantry have always been restic. Are these different?

No.

Are we 100% sure about that though? The new convergence battle-engine is first one in the new material I thought, so they could be different I don't know.

It was said mechanical stuff gets the new good styrene plastic. Organic keeps the old PVC plastic.

 AduroT wrote:
It was said mechanical stuff gets the new good styrene plastic. Organic keeps the old PVC plastic.

Ah, that's right!

Oh well - still good news though.

I think?

 Alpharius wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
It was said mechanical stuff gets the new good styrene plastic. Organic keeps the old PVC plastic.

Ah, that's right!

Oh well - still good news though.

I think?

Not really lol, just means I won't be buying the pla... restic IFP.

 AduroT wrote:
It was said mechanical stuff gets the new good styrene plastic. Organic keeps the old PVC plastic.

Ok that makes sense.

IMHO PVC plastic or not it's still better than metal. The price tag alone makes it worthwhile.

Most of my weapons have been fine. It's the mashed potato faces and finger blobs that I've had more issue with. Or disappearing armor that melds into flesh.

Then again I mostly just do Trolls, and their weapons are usually bigger and thicker than the human stuff, so that might account for why my weapons have never been really problematic.

WayneTheGame wrote:
IMHO PVC plastic or not it's still better than metal. The price tag alone makes it worthwhile.

I agree - it's difficult to clean up, yes. But not what people make it out to be. And once you get it cleaned up it looks fine. It still certainly beats having to pin things IMO. Plus a lot of things have nearly halved in price as a result of the transition.


I can't help but wonder why PP is so slow dragging their feet on converting their pricey cavalry minis to plastic though.

i pin absolutely everything, anyway, since i paint in parts...

i enjoyed painting for PP when i did freelance work for them...
i love the aesthetic of the minis...
i collected plenty of their minis after i stopped painting for them in 2006...
i still use P3 paints exclusively...

since the switch to PVC, i have not bought a single mini in that material...
i prefer metal...
having checked out the PVC casts, the quality looked horrible, and has killed any purchases i would have made...
i would like some of the newer Warjacks, but not in PVC...

i am glad that some of you seem to like it, but it's not for me...
as long as they keep the gamers happy, my friends will have a job, so that's good...
as long as they use PVC, i will not be collcting anything cast in that material, which is a bummer...

cheers
jah

The Warjacks have been fine imho, it's just some of the infantry that suffers (but is definitely fixable).

Except Convergance. That stuff is horrific.

none of it is worth my money, in my opinion...
PVC is on the list, along with Finecast, of materials that i will not buy...
like i said though, i am glad that some people like it, and continue to support PP, because it is a company that i have a lot of love for, and i am all about their paints...
i have plenty of metal minis i can paint, anyway...

i do look forward to checking out their HIPS plastic...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:
PVC is on the list, along with Finecast, of materials that i will not buy...

I've got some good models in both materials. I don't like Finecast or PVC but prefer either to metal.

i do look forward to checking out their HIPS plastic...

I got the TEP and will be putting it together tomorrow. I just wish PP would start releasing more models in HIPS and sooner. I'm not sure I'd buy a version that has HISP base model with PVC or metal bits as addons for a variant model.

 jah-joshua wrote:
none of it is worth my money, in my opinion...
PVC is on the list, along with Finecast, of materials that i will not buy...
like i said though, i am glad that some people like it, and continue to support PP, because it is a company that i have a lot of love for, and i am all about their paints...
i have plenty of metal minis i can paint, anyway...

i do look forward to checking out their HIPS plastic...

cheers
jah

Yep. There's one reason I'll buy PVC, and it's if the price is right, and PP (along with Soda Pop now) is charging non-discount prices for a discount material. I guess some people are happy with that, but it's such a pain to get PVC to clean up well that I need to have a lot more incentive to get something than a bunch of work to get something to approximate something in another material than loyalty to a brand or wanting to stay current.

PP still makes good rules (I assume that hasn't stopped- haven't even been looking that recently) and some fun metal models, but their plastic line and visual/narrative design choices since 2nd edition, have turned me from an avid player to one who picks up a mini every few months at best, if something looks great and is in a faction I still have.

The hate I see for PP plastics is one of the reasons I resisted trying warmachine so long. And to all those people, I say this.

Frak off.

It's not a fraction as horrible as you pretend, and led me to waste precious years under Geedubs fumbling yoke of oppression.

I'd like to think they have held off redoing the Pikemen until they could get them up to snuff material wise.

It's not like they don't know the issues with the material. They actively been working to change it, evidenced by the TEP. Perhaps besides the change to plastic on larger models, they've been able to move the PVC plastic to a facility with better quality control?

But if it is the same stuff, it'll still take a lot of the hurt out of buying the unit/upgrades to field Pikemen. The downside being, there will be more pikemen in the world.

I think I need more razor bolas...

@Breotan: different strokes for different folks...
i love metal minis...
i also like HIPS plastic, and quality resin (like the Studio McVey LE's)...
i have a few of the same minis in metal and Finecast both, and one is material full of holes, while the other is perfectly cast...
i'll stick to metal...

@HisDivineShadow: nice...
way to keep it classy, telling people to "frak off"...
who is pretending, anyway???
if an individual doesn't like a certain type of material a mini is cast in, that is their opinion...
we all vote with our wallets...

like i said in both of my earlier posts, i am glad that PP is making an option that people find more affordable, as they will sell more minis, and stay in business...

cheers
jah

PPs newer sculpts have mostly solved the issues they've had in the past even though they're still made of the Restic. On larger models like jacks its perfectly acceptable.

@Grey Templar: i have seen massive divots in the top part of the torso on restic Khador 'Jacks, and some pretty rough mold slip on them and other 'Jacks...
for me personally, the material is not acceptable...
if they were HIPS, like a GW Dreadnought kit, i would be all over a mini like Ruin...
he is an amazing sculpt...
fortunately, i can paint Beast 09 in metal, instead...

like i said, i am not trying to badmouth PP, i am just sad to see the industry moving away from metal to restic...
others see it as a godsend...
i like the move from metal to HIPs, especially for bigger kits, that's for sure...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:

if they were HIPS, like a GW Dreadnought kit, i would be all over a mini like Ruin...

Ruin is Resin and Metal, not PVC. All the new Character Jacks in the upcoming book are.

cool...
thanks for letting me know, Platuan4th...
i would love to paint Ruin, as i haven't painted a Warjack in a long time...
it would be fun to paint him in the style that i painted The Butcher...

cheers
jah

And now for something completely different. It appears a Shredder plushie is (finally) incoming at Lock and Load this year.



https://twitter.com/Will_Shick/status/580757684317622272/photo/1

Wait wait, that's not just Ravyn's plushie???

 malfred wrote:
Wait wait, that's not just Ravyn's plushie???

Ravyn? The Ret caster?

The hashtag says "lock and load 2015". One would assume they're gonna be released then.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 malfred wrote:
Wait wait, that's not just Ravyn's plushie???

Ravyn? The Ret caster?

The hashtag says "lock and load 2015". One would assume they're gonna be released then.

Ravyn Schmidt She hand made a plushie.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

The PP facebook account indicated that 'Vinter is Coming', perhaps for the new No Quarter in May.

No idea if this is just a pun, or a pun that indicates the baddest swordsman on the face of Caen is returning to the storyline.

 jah-joshua wrote:
@HisDivineShadow: nice...
way to keep it classy, telling people to "frak off"...
who is pretending, anyway???
if an individual doesn't like a certain type of material a mini is cast in, that is their opinion...
we all vote with our wallets...

like i said in both of my earlier posts, i am glad that PP is making an option that people find more affordable, as they will sell more minis, and stay in business...

+1. If I were only a gamer, it'd be fine and I'd never tell someone with that attitude from collecting PP. But I do the hobby side more than the game side, so find the minis undesireable. GW is hardly the only other game in town. The thing is, there are plenty of companies from the same newer generation, with strong rules sets, but cheaper models or comparably priced but nicer models. So, as someone who favors the hobby, I just don't think PP plastics are worth it. Hell, you can be picky and make perfectly serviceable forces out of their metal line and grabbing old used 1st edition metals (which is mostly what I've done) without needing to confront their overpriced plastics if you really wanted to try the game and were afeared of stories of annoying materials.

I don't think there's any reason why expressing an opinion on a material is worth fake-swearing at.

My wife wants a plushie Agoniser.

I don't know whether that's awesome or scary...