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I prefer the older Archaon model also. Archaon never needed to ride a huge monster to be badass, he just was.

The three headed demon is a nice model, but I think it would be better not as a mount.

Deadawake1347 wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:


i have been very impressed with the AoS minis in hand...
they are really ingenious in the way they go together, to work around some of the limitations of plastic casting...
each new starter set from GW is improving on the techniques of mitigating the flaws of the medium...

the AoS box Lord of Khorne is my new favorite Chaos mini, and his Fleshhound is the best version ever, as far as i'm concerned...
the Lord just needs a little Greenstuff to cover the belly skulls, and he is perfect...

So, he's perfect, if you put extra effort into fixing a problem with him? I think it's weird that a model that you have to "fix" is your favorite, over some of the older ones that are amazing as is, like the old Archon.

part of the experience is making the model my own, by doing slight tweaks to the stock mini...
it helps me to improve my Greenstuff work, and stands out from the crowd...
maybe it is also the "new and fresh" factor that makes me happy, or just the fact that he has the most awesome Fleshhound ever...
i don't see it as having to "fix" a problem, but rather as personalizing a mini...

don't get me wrong, i think the old Archaon is perfect...
my preference is simply for Khorne minis over Undivided...
i'm still a huge fan of the Jugger Lord (though i prefer the horned head more than the helmet in the picture above), and the regular mounted Lord shown above, and own them both...

my point was, that while i really like the direction that the more recent sculpts have gone, for the most part, this new Archaon isn't doing it for me like the previous version does...
while i like my skulls, a lot, i am not feeling the skulls pushing through skin aesthetic that is the new Chaos, but i don't have a problem with a little knife and putty work to achieve my vision...

cheers
jah

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
200 CAD!? Who's still buying this stuff?

200 CAD is about 150 USD but in Japan it is 22000 yen that is about 180! USD wow

In GW's defense, they don't seem to understand how the yen values work.

I was looking at the Holiday Gift guide they had at my local store at home, and one of the Tau box sets was listed at only 1500 yen.

I'm guessing someone somewhere forgot to put another zero, otherwise I'm going to have to hunt down a GW retailer and attempt to make them honor that price as I completely clear them out, as the price is straight from GW themselves!

 Orlanth wrote:
I prefer the older Archaon model also. Archaon never needed to ride a huge monster to be badass, he just was.

The three headed demon is a nice model, but I think it would be better not as a mount.

But that wouldn't be over the top enough for AoS, now would it?

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
I prefer the older Archaon model also. Archaon never needed to ride a huge monster to be badass, he just was.

The three headed demon is a nice model, but I think it would be better not as a mount.

But that wouldn't be over the top enough for AoS, now would it?

I'm not sure this new one is over the top enough either tbh.

I think that mount could have been riding a dragon. Made of skulls.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
I prefer the older Archaon model also. Archaon never needed to ride a huge monster to be badass, he just was.

The three headed demon is a nice model, but I think it would be better not as a mount.

But that wouldn't be over the top enough for AoS, now would it?

I'm not sure this new one is over the top enough either tbh.

I think that mount could have been riding a dragon. Made of skulls.

That counts as a Terrain piece so they can overprice it just a tad more?

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
I prefer the older Archaon model also. Archaon never needed to ride a huge monster to be badass, he just was.

The three headed demon is a nice model, but I think it would be better not as a mount.

But that wouldn't be over the top enough for AoS, now would it?

I'm not sure this new one is over the top enough either tbh.

I think that mount could have been riding a dragon. Made of skulls.

That counts as a Terrain piece so they can overprice it just a tad more?

All for the low low price of $200 dollars. (Or $650 if you are in australia )

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
I prefer the older Archaon model also. Archaon never needed to ride a huge monster to be badass, he just was.

The three headed demon is a nice model, but I think it would be better not as a mount.

But that wouldn't be over the top enough for AoS, now would it?

I'm not sure this new one is over the top enough either tbh.

I think that mount could have been riding a dragon. Made of skulls.

ok, that was a good one...
you made me laugh with that image...

cheers
jah

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I don't pay much attention to Fantasy but when did this kit come out? Is it new or is it made using that Ogre Kingdoms beast thing?

This is not new. Been around for a year or so. I bought one so I can put it on top of an Imperial Knight so it will become a Chaos Imperial Knight. Not my idea, saw someone else make one on the net, and just going to copy it.

.. TBF we all put on a bit of weight as we get older.

And he's been through a lot too.

Jesus. He's huge!

Brilliant model and its easy enough you can even convert one to be on foot.

I like Him a lot, a bit expansive, I wonder how big it is in Real live, I must say a also got the old archaon, and I like them both, but this one is more of a centerpice, I think :p

He's bigger than I thought. While I really like the horseback version, I don't actually own it so can't comment on it's size. The original Gamesday version is about the same size of modern terminator 40k captain figs.

 warboss wrote:
He's bigger than I thought. While I really like the horseback version, I don't actually own it so can't comment on it's size. The original Gamesday version is about the same size of modern terminator 40k captain figs.

I do have him handy to compare against a Bloodreaver...
And that's HUUUUUUUUUUGE compared to the horseback version.

Why is it, that when GW killed off Warhammer Fantasy and replaced it with Age Of Sigmar, the prices for the new stuff almost doubled for units???

62$ for 10 chaos warriors? I’m not that old, and i was playing WHF up till AOS, warriors were 32$ for 16 models last time i bought them full price at a store and they came with so many head options and weapons you always had extra.
And now these new kits, (granted the models do look better than the old kits) are extremely overpriced, and have little to no extras or options, and are half the amount of plastic as the old kits.

I really don’t understand who is out there gobbling all these items up, just stop! As soon as i noticed how terrible the rules/fluff/gameplay were I Ebayed all my fantasy post haste and am so glad now that i made that decision...
I have been laughing since because i have posted all my models at the original prices i paid and they were sold almost over a 3 week period (in other words, old GW prices beat out the new prices)
It baffles and confuses me, let’s face facts, its plastic, it’s a game, and only a hobby.
The only very weak argument I have gotten out of any players is that the kits “look great”, I never hear “It’s got so many extra parts” or “Its super customizable” or “It is just an amazing price, I couldn’t help myself” or “I can use it for multiple games”, it’s always “they look good”
I love the fluff, and games, but when it gets to the point that a PlayStation 4 is cheaper than buying a playable army, it’s time to move on to a new game...

I know my words will have a bunch of people nerd raging, reporting, and quoting me for response, but i don’t care..... I have not insulted anyone, just pointed out facts.

PLASTIC, its only PLASTIC.... Please stop buying the overpriced plastic. It’s the only way that the GW beast will start to reduce prices, when people start to vote with their wallets.
I don’t want to see an end to GW, just some love towards the fans that they used to have.
Right now it’s not love; it’s a company based on profit, and they need to be reminded that they are selling a hobby toy, not food, not medicine, not anything that has real value except the value that the player has.
Why would I support a company who does not value me anymore.


END.

"Stop liking what I don't like", the post.
Well and fine if you don't like it. I personally don't like the price of the Dodge Challenger Hellcat, but I'm not ranting about how overpriced it is. Sorry you're dissatisfied, glad your models sold quick.

When people complain about price it always confuses me... Dont any of you have a wife. Each birthday will set you back 500+ for a ring or necklace that has no extra parts or conversion and sits in a closed box for years to be taken out for a dinner you dont want to be at anyways.

So I will put it this way why do I spend 200 dollars for a item the same reason I spent 8000 on a ring for my wife to get to play with the toys. And as long as I have money and I can put my hands on the goods I will keep spending.

No offense but your wife sounds a bit spoiled! We usually buy each other something in the range of $100-150, if she wanted $500 worth every birthday I might get a divorce

Yeah, rofl. That's crap logic. My wife and I buy each other stuff, but nowhere in that realm. My wife is getting me somwhere around 60 bucks in models for this year, all fun oop models off Ebay.

Last year was Epic Ork gargants and stompas.

It is probly all relative, when we first met she was nearly homeless her and a friend lived in a bachlor pad. Me and her started to date her friend lost her job they needed rent I sold all my models to pay for rent and for food. Five years later she is a R.N and currently I am on disability so our income went up by... A gak load. Oh and my brother bought our house because he said our old one was to small for a family of four. He is earning 500 k or more a year now. So life went from near homeless starving to good all around.

The first christmass was a 20$ tamagotchi I bought her and she got me grimgor old one to reavers and diamond rings lol.

I'm sorry but I hate the new Archaon model. Too much going on for me. GW seems to think Badass=Flashy nowadays.

Rihgu,
I don’t remember ever saying "Stop liking what I don't like" so it’s really interesting that you quoted, a quote that i did not say?

My point was more aimed at agreeing with all the previous people who posted about how absurd the prices are getting for models, and I felt like conveying my experiences.
I think you have the wrong idea, I still collect and play, and find deals where I can, but I would go on a limb and say most people would agree that 62$ for 10 models is not a deal.
It’s really hard to get people into a game, or for that matter keep them interested in a game when they don’t feel like they have access to everything they should.
An example would be…
AOS warriors that are 62$ for 10 models with no extra parts.
Or
Space Marine Kit, 40$ for 10 models, lots of extra bits, weapons, heads.

The sad fact is prices add up over time also, I can talk people into getting into a game when they can spend around 100$ to have a starter army
(10 Marines 40$ + 10 Marines 40$ + Captain 20ish$ = Around 100$)
Or
(10 Blood Warriors 62$ + 10 Blood Warriors 62$ + Cheapest New AOS Model HQ 28$= 152$)

 GraywarTS wrote:
Rihgu,
I don’t remember ever saying "Stop liking what I don't like" so it’s really interesting that you quoted, a quote that i did not say?

My point was more aimed at agreeing with all the previous people who posted about how absurd the prices are getting for models, and I felt like conveying my experiences.
I think you have the wrong idea, I still collect and play, and find deals where I can, but I would go on a limb and say most people would agree that 62$ for 10 models is not a deal.
It’s really hard to get people into a game, or for that matter keep them interested in a game when they don’t feel like they have access to everything they should.
An example would be…
AOS warriors that are 62$ for 10 models with no extra parts.
Or
Space Marine Kit, 40$ for 10 models, lots of extra bits, weapons, heads.

The sad fact is prices add up over time also, I can talk people into getting into a game when they can spend around 100$ to have a starter army
(10 Marines 40$ + 10 Marines 40$ + Captain 20ish$ = Around 100$)
Or
(10 Blood Warriors 62$ + 10 Blood Warriors 62$ + Cheapest New AOS Model HQ 28$= 152$)

You issued a call to Stop paying for GW products (strongly implying that you do not believe that GW products are worth the price, which some could interpret as a Dislike of their products). So, a call to Stop buying things you Don't Like... now, if people are buying these things, we can safely extrapolate that they Like these things. Therefore, by trying to persuade people to Stop buying things, you could be seen as trying to persuade them to Stop Liking said product.
So what we have, at it's core, is "Stop liking(buying) what I don't like(won't buy)"

For sure, I wouldn't buy the Blood Warriors, not for 62$. I wouldn't buy the Blood Warriors at all (unless as a gift), as they're not my thing. However I'm not going to try to convince other people not to buy Blood Warriors, because if they're going to buy them... they like them!

As to your comparison, if you buy the Blood Warriors kit you can make 2 units of 5. Buy a suitably heroic single figure (for 20-30$) and you've got a small army to play a small game with. Your friend can buy himself a kit or 2, and at a similar investment have a similar "sized" army to play against you with.
If you buy a box of 10 Space marines, you're about 170pts into your army and unless you're playing Kill Team, I don't usually see games lower than 500. So that's a Captain (Depending on how you equip him, between 100 and 250 points, I think? Also, 20-30$) and another box of tactical marines (40$) before you're playing a game. Also, the rule book and codex... both of which are free for Age of Sigmar.

Edit: Didn't see that you made the same comparison at the bottom of your post. Why are you buying 2 Blood Warrior kits? There's no need. They're a useful and effective unit at 5 models, especially in small games. You're going totally overkill there.
So it's really 90$ for a starter AoS army and 140ish for a start Space Marine army if you're borrowing the rulebook from a friend (still need to buy the codex though, unless your friend also plays marines)

Edit2: My favorite pitch for a starter army in AoS is the classic Dwarfs vs Skaven. Buy a Dragon Slayer (21$), and a box of Ironbreakers (50$). Make 5 Irondrakes and 5 Ironbreakers. There's your 71$ starter Dwarves. Add a 25$ cannon if you so please.
Skavens buy the 35$ Clanrat kit to make 2 units of 10 Clanrats, the new Grey Seer kit (22$) for a leader. That's their 57$ starter. Add Rat Ogres or a Lightning Cannon or whatever if you'd like.
If you're buying for yourself and your mate, that's just 128$. For two armies. Sounds like an extremely easy game to get into to me... Especially if your price point is 100$...

I, for one, don't think Archaeon is overpriced.

$165 USD seems about right to me for such a large and detailed miniature, but I've only been collecting miniatures the past few years so I don't have the same perspective as veteran players. Coming from Warmachine though, where a colossal runs around $135 USD, paying $30 more for a miniature roughly the same size that is presumably going to be a much higher quality product seems okay.

Even the $62 box of 10 Blood Warriors mentioned above is only a few dollars more than most 10-model units in Warmachine. And $6.20 per miniature doesn't seem so bad to me, when you consider how detailed and dynamic they are.

Are Games Workshop's prices competitive? Hell no. But they're not as insanely disproportionate as they are made out to be. Besides, GW is like the high end of miniatures wargaming from what I've seen; you get what you pay for. I'm still new to Age of Sigmar and Games Workshop, but so far I haven't been disappointed or made to feel that I'm being ripped off by GW's pricing. Quite the contrary, I'm pleased to pay more for nicer miniatures. But that's just my perspective as someone relatively new to the hobby

OgreChubbs wrote:
When people complain about price it always confuses me... Dont any of you have a wife. Each birthday will set you back 500+ for a ring or necklace that has no extra parts or conversion and sits in a closed box for years to be taken out for a dinner you dont want to be at anyways.

So I will put it this way why do I spend 200 dollars for a item the same reason I spent 8000 on a ring for my wife to get to play with the toys. And as long as I have money and I can put my hands on the goods I will keep spending.

Because a ring made of 18 or + carat gold with a diamond will have more resell value than any model you own?

In 10 years time that ring necklage could still fetch a fair price, depending on the market pricing fluctuations, while plastic models will still be plastic models, and that you'll be lucky if someone would buy them from you at 1$ a model, the only cases where a model is worth money is if it is an OOP model that is near impossible to get your hands on, and/or if its painted in Golden Deamon quality...

So yeah go ahead a compare whats not comparable...

Also please keep in mind, its not because YOU have a good enough money income that you disregard GW price hikes, that its okay, or that people shouldn't complain about it.

The 200$ you say its "nothing" to buy a SINGLE model, represents some peoples allowance for the month just to life by, keep that in mind please.

Yes you do what you want with your money, no one is saying other wise, but don't say that GW pricing is normal, because it ain't.

Still remember my first Codex in 3rd Ed that costed me 500BEF( belgian franks) wich was approx 20$, and a termi squad was 800BEF ( approx 39$).

Now everything has a price hike over time, but GW has the habit to go way overboard and actually thinks that what they sell us is made of solide gold with diamond dust on it...

Just you know put things into perspective, 200$ for a single model, or 200$ to eat for the week or have something nice to your wife, that will give back the favor in various and pleasant ways that no plastic will ever give to you( except if you're really into those kind of thing...).

@GraywarTS inflation of course, and now that macdonalds employee's get 15$ an hour they can pay for it.

Or GW is milking the Aos as much as possible before it collapses, they are the Porsche of miniatures after all

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Because a ring made of 18 or + carat gold with a diamond will have more resell value than any model you own?

In 10 years time that ring necklage could still fetch a fair price, depending on the market pricing fluctuations, while plastic models will still be plastic models, and that you'll be lucky if someone would buy them from you at 1$ a model, the only cases where a model is worth money is if it is an OOP model that is near impossible to get your hands on, and/or if its painted in Golden Deamon quality...

This is actually a terrible comparison my wife has a brick ton of jewelry, none of which will sell for more than 50% of its a inflation-adjusted purchase price (after all, jewelers need to make money); probably not even 33% of the appraisal value, as I would have bought it discounted, too.

On the other hand, I get GW stuff at 33% off, and can sell BNIB boxes in a heartbeat at 40% off, or reasonably quickly at 30% off, or reasonably slowly at 25% off *current* MSRP. Since prices have gone up more than inflation, I'd do really well on my unopened stuff. I mean, not collectible-level well, but a lot better than non-collectible toy resell. Desirable, rare metal models actually fetch a really high price, as do nostalgia items, like a 1e Space Hulk or BNIB RTB-01 box of space marines.

In terms of painted stuff, it just depends on how well it's painted. But if you spent 20 hours on a model, did you get 20 hours of entertainment four your money, or are you expecting to increase the value of the model by 20 hours of labor? The latter is possible only if you're professionally efficient, and purposely painting what the market wants, as opposed to, perhaps, what you would like painting.

But move into any number of other things like purses, perfume, computers, bikes, furniture, toasters, books.... almost everything you buy is worth a fraction of what you pay as soon as it becomes yours.

You've only got one wife and no way to get another while if you play wargames you can easily buy Minifigs or Perry Bros figures instead of GW.

So perhaps the price complaints are understandable from that point of view.

The reason why AoS figures cost so much more than the WHFB is simply that GW expect to sell less of them due to smaller army size, and also need to make up the money of lost sales of rules and army books.