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I will give you guys credit that you have been communicating well about the stages of the shieldmaiden project. The problem is, how much I will actually like the figures I'm getting is difficult to be certain of until I see the final product in-person. You would probably get a lot more enthusiasm for the goblins if people like me weren't wanting to judge their prior purchases before paying more money into an unknown.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

Also, we have admitted that there might be a very slight delay but delivery isn't due until December this year as stated in the campaign, so we trust it all falls under "acceptable" as we cherish our reputation a lot.

Should we take that as March 2017 or June 2017? I might sound snarky here, but I'm actually quite deadpan/serious.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

Also, we have admitted that there might be a very slight delay but delivery isn't due until December this year as stated in the campaign, so we trust it all falls under "acceptable" as we cherish our reputation a lot.

Should we take that as March 2017 or June 2017? I might sound snarky here, but I'm actually quite deadpan/serious.

On the contrary not snarky at all, being blunt and honest works out just great, we are being 100% transparent and chose not to withhold the information for after the Forest Goblin KS ended.
Resin production, QC and packaging will have finished by mid/late November, that's on us and we are on perfect schedule. The very moment we receive the test proofs from Renedra (before giving the green light) we will weigh the parcels and invoice the P&P costs as we said during the Shieldmaiden KS.
Once we receive the plastics we will immediately pack and (using the spreadsheets that will have already been prepared and checked) commence shipping wave-2.
I talked with Renedra last week, they said we are to expect them late January (instead of mid/lateNovember as planned). Therefore a realistic deadline with what I'm aware of today (and I'm aware of the term "realistic") is mid/late February 2017 to ship the parcels. Shipping everything must complete within 6 working days (an average of 90 parcels per day).

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@RiTides
I'm afraid that's a negative, for those at the $1 add-on level shipping will be calculated according to actual costs. The $50 level does stand at $5 for EU&USA ($8 for RoW) regardless of whether you add the beast or not, whilst everyone else doesn't have to worry about shipping as it's already included.

Could you reconsider on this with whoever is needed to decide the policy? What I hear you saying is if I pledge $70 - $85 (Brutgoth possibly with Howdah) you're going to charge me shipping later and at a higher rate than someone who pays $50, even if they decide to get that same model added onto their pledge.

This would be a deal breaker for me... another option you could do is to let folks select the $50 pledge but use it towards the Brutgoth?

If the answer is "no", I can just stay at $1 and get it later... Just wanted to give you the chance to make a common sense decision here. I don't think what you posted is clear on the page so even if that is your policy, you should make it clearer... But ideally if someone spends at least $50 at the higher add-on price, they should qualify for the same shipping rate as the $50 pledge.

@RiTides
I hear you, let me get back to you on this. :-)

Okay great, thanks for considering ^_^

And oh my goodness, the render!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-forest-goblins/posts/1681059





Click on the pics above to see big versions, they're really impressive

I also updated the OP with a link to the Kickstarter and some pics!

If I had the spare cash right now, I'd jump in even though I've no use for the kits. I like the company, the way it does business, the way it handles public engagement, and I want to see them do well. I'll see if I can scrounge together some pennies to commit before the KS is up....

I want a Brutgoth and a few gobbos, but access to all the shiny gold stretch goals as they come.

Will the Garrison Army be my best bet, or will there perhaps be a cheaper alternative? I have no need for hundreds of little guys, but a few dozen? Sure!

I've just noticed that on the KS page there's the "Australia-friendly shipping" logo, as well as the one for US and Canada. This usually means that KS rewards are going to be sent to a local distributor who will then send out the parcels - which in turn means that backers will not be hit for any additional charges, taxes or import duty. Hence the "friendly" part.

Is that the case here?

(And you probably would want to add the answer to your FAQ on the page).

I've backed the goblins and the shield maidens KS happily, to be honest I understand people's reservations on delays and quality (believe me) but so far shield wolf miniatures have been pretty much on the ball.

Updates and communication has been there and they have sent out part of the pledges that were already produced, the delay is due to to a third party (which lets be honest is common with KS) and is not that bad of delay couple to three months.

Renders so far have looked pretty good and nothing to concern me so far, as for resin casting I am more than happy with my mammoths really impressed with the detail and quality of the casts.

I mean you want to be annoyed about delays try over 2 years and 1 half year, that is two I have backed and they are both in house production so fully there own making.

@Azazelx
We'll be posting something to make this clearer should that be the case :-)
@lone dirty dog
We appreciate your trust and posting this, I must point out however that the delay is not due to the 3rd party (Renedra in this case), that is our doing 100% as Angelos was not pleased with the initial 3d prints for the 3ups and had them reprinted. Please note that he was aware of the eventual delay that might cause and it did cost more (both money,time and effort-wise) but he means (and so do the rest of us!) to deliver a quality product that will shine the abilities of the company due to the support we so generously received. This was also posted on the August update https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-shieldmaidens-army-reboot/posts/1666251 where at the time the people at Renedra where working out whether they could speed up the production for us to meet the deadline. I'm confident they tried their best but informed us last week that it couldn't be done in the end. Therefore the responsibility lies in us for having delayed the delivery of the 3ups to them. We would like to be clear on that and not shift blame where there is none, apologies if we wrote something/somewhere that got misinterperetd.
We will be posting all this in an update on the Shieldmaiden KS, before the Forest Goblin project ends (and I don't mean like, 30' before!)
@Highlord
We will be posting a FAQ in the nxt couple of days addressing this concerns.
@Ketara
Humbled by your post. Really. :-D
@RiTides
We have not overlooked what you asked for, we have made contact with the postal service that will undertake the shipping of this project and awaiting their answer. As soon as we know, we'll get straight back to you!

I am happy to wait a couple of months to get better quality Shieldmaidens.

Yeah much rather have a wait with good communication and better minis, than not so good, sooner.
Does your Ozzie friendly shipping extended to us down at the far reaches of the globe? (we always get left out).

Shieldwolf, thanks. I've seen others posting in the comments about pledging for one or even several Brutgoths. It just seems odd that adding two to a $50 pledge results in $5 shipping, but pledging for three directly (and so pledging for even more $) means shipping is higher and unknown.

Ideally, you should clarify it soon if possible since others are pledging just for add-ons... it seems like the shipping should just be based on total pledge value, but if you want to just set it at a flat rate for that level that works, too. Right now I don't think it's clear either way, though.

Looking forward to today's update with more renders, woot

I had my Mammoth and Howdah arrive today from the Shieldmaiden kickstarter. I'd expected to get a crew with it as well, but looking over at the kickstarter updates, those girls will come in the next wave.



Random Infinity model for scale.
I must say - this is a pretty big, solid, imposing hunk of resin. Plenty of detail though, and looks like it'll be a gorgeous model in the end.

Agreed - my two look great.

Not interested in goblins but tempted to get one of these new beasties as a ride for the ladies.

Do we know comparative size for it compared to the Mammoth?

@Mr Morden
We have asked the sculptor to give us measurements for both versions, as soon as we have them it's going up!
@RiTides @highlord
We are also working on calculating how to deal with those who wish to support us by acquiring the beast, we are currently directed and working on a "Brutgoth-only" pledge, have to see how shipping and Silver/Gold pledge levels will work for this pledge.
@Micky
Thank you!
@ingtaer
Free shiiping applies to Australia also, you only get penalized in the silver pledge level (opposed to EU and USA)
@theWaspinator
That's a valid argument, no contest. It is all about faith I guess.

Maybe I missed it, but how much will that brutgoth cost? And is he made of resin? and how big will he be?

Forest Brutgoth (the "smaller" 100mm x 100mm base version) is $65, or $80 with howdah.

Mountain Brutgoth (the larger 150mm x 100mm base version) is $80, or $95 with howdah.

There are nice comparison pics in today's update:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-forest-goblins/posts/1682061

They're looking into making a "Brutgoth only" pledge level as well, as right now it's only an add-on. And yes, it's in resin

Cool, i'll have to get out my ruler and see which one works better for me.. thinking one of them would be good as a not-bastilidon for my lizards

Bastilidon has got to be the smaller version, imo. It's already huge! I think it without howdah is my favorite

 Necros wrote:
Cool, i'll have to get out my ruler and see which one works better for me.. thinking one of them would be good as a not-bastilidon for my lizards

As much as we'd love you joining us I have to be sincere that it probably won't work as "counts as" since (if I'm not mistaken) the Bastilidon stands on a 100mmx50mm base, while the small version we have stands on a 100mmx100mm base, there's really no way to make him fit on a base half its predesigned size.
The Mountain Brutgoth (the larger version) stands instead on a 100mmx150mm and is designed as the counter one the Orcs have towards the Mammoth of the Shieldmaidens (also on the same base size).

PS. Btw, thanks to the mods for lending a hand, appreciate it!

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Cool, i'll have to get out my ruler and see which one works better for me.. thinking one of them would be good as a not-bastilidon for my lizards

As much as we'd love you joining us I have to be sincere that it probably won't work as "counts as" since (if I'm not mistaken) the Bastilidon stands on a 100mmx50mm base, while the small version we have stands on a 100mmx100mm base, there's really no way to make him fit on a base half its predesigned size.
The Mountain Brutgoth (the larger version) stands instead on a 100mmx150mm and is designed as the counter one the Orcs have towards the Mammoth of the Shieldmaidens (also on the same base size).

PS. Btw, thanks to the mods for lending a hand, appreciate it!

Actually the Bastiladon comes on a 120x92 oval so that should work just fine!

@Mymearan
Lol! Fair enough :-)

Posted a teaser on the comment section of the project, going to be revealed tomorrow. Can you guess what it is? ;-)

A Brutgoth only pledge would get me interested in this, not sure what I'd use it as, maybe a colossal squig? but it would look good on a shelf with my night goblin army.

 Tamereth wrote:
A Brutgoth only pledge would get me interested in this, not sure what I'd use it as, maybe a colossal squig? but it would look good on a shelf with my night goblin army.

Surely if you go for the $1 Add-on pledge level then the Forest Brutgoth is an 'add-on' at $65 (or with howdah at $80), likewise the Mountain Brutgoth is an 'add-on' at $80 (or with howdah at $95).

CBRFigs, that is possible but it isn't worked out what the shipping rate is (unlike the other pledge levels of $50 or more where it's set at $5 or even free). I don't need free, I just need to know what it is so a dedicated pledge level would be most welcome!

 RiTides wrote:
CBRFigs, that is possible but it isn't worked out what the shipping rate is (unlike the other pledge levels of $50 or more where it's set at $5 or even free). I don't need free, I just need to know what it is so a dedicated pledge level would be most welcome!

That would make sense.

If the Brutgoth is going to be resin, will it likely be ready to ship around Shield Maiden Wave 2 time? If so, you can just throw RiTide's in with my box of girls and call it done

Good on you Shieldwolf for not letting Renedra look bad for the delay. It would have been easy to just let that slide, and correcting it showed integrity. I am pleased to have backed your last project, and wish I had a) money and b) anything to use a mess of forest goblins for to help out now

@Wehrkind
Oh, we would have *loved* for the beast to be HIPS but we should have already been at around double where we are now in order to hope we reach that high to offer that towards the end of the campaign as the last SG!

We consider the people at Renedra professionals (we mean to keep on working with them for many years to come), but we also consider ourselves the same, we can't type "hoping to one day produce th best plastics ever" without making a fool out of ourselves, we need to push ourselves to the limit and people's help and faith is what's going to get us there. I fully undersatnd not being able to contibute, real life does happen, I still appreciate largely (and always will) the faith placed in our last KS! :-D
This is what Renedra posted on their FaceBook page (this is also going to be written on the Shieldmaiden campaign update going up in the next few days, I think even tonight!)

"...Thought we would show you some masters of a new project we are working on - this is part of the Shield Maidens we are doing for Shieldwolf Miniatures. These masters were sculpted using Freeform rather than the normal conventional hand sculpts that we usually work with, these were then printed out at 3:1 using a high resolution printer. This is our first mould that we will be manufacturing using this technique, and at this early stage the masters that we have been presented with are very good. The pictures we are showing are where we have started the first layup and developing the split line and the last picture shows that we are ready to cast the first copy aid. We will be showing the progress of this project as we go along - thanks to Angelos and the Shieldwolf team for allowing us do this...".

One last thing, decision on the Brutgoth has been taken, indeed we are creating a different pledge level for it alone. Shipping's almost the same as silver level, but charged after the campaign has ended and without any meddaglions. Hopefully when we start unlocking the frebies people will decide to switch :-)