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Nidzilla is a powerful build, but not unbeatable. In prep for the TT, we played Krone's team (Xenophilia, I think) that finished 7th. We also played them a nidzilla list in the TT (complete with those FW sacs that are 35 pts each). We were about even on wins/losses and had a lot of draws with drop-poding Space Wolves (Team CAGO). Gunfexes don't like units with 4 power fist attacks - they kill one Grey Hunter and take 2 wounds in return.

When exactly did the Nidzilla list become a powerful build? I remember everyone talking about how crappy it was when Tyranids were released 2 years ago and last year I still remember people talking about how crappy it was. Admittedly I stopped playing 40k back in May and just recently picked it up again, but I've been trolling Dakka during that time and, well, I'm surprised that suddenly everyone's talking about how powerful it is. Maybe it's because I play Mech Tau or that I kept reading reports about Mech Eldar kicking Nidzilla's ass all the time?

HAH, I hear from our local Tau & Nidzilla player about how Tau can't beat Godzilla, which I thought was somewhat odd.

Nidzilla is a rediculously good army, it's one of the things I plan against in my metagame for building lists.

I think it is one of those lists that can destroy those that are unprepared for it. Most armies aren't really set up to dish out that much firepower, and it is a lot of wounds to cause. I don't think it is an always win list, but a very competitive list.

Well that's not new. The current Dark Elf army book was composed over the course of a single weekend and it was never tested at all. The guy who sculpted most of the new models was fired later and the army book was so bad that a thousand players had to whine for four years straight to get some of the most blatant faults fixed.

I'm not going to comment on the crap by Slave about DA owning Godzilla because he's either incredibly stupid or intentionally trying to annoy the heck out of everyone. Dakka gets those kind of guys every once in a while and one of them is even responsible for stealing my account name.

What I want to say is that I think 40K is a poor game overall. I've said it many times but the game needs movement values, armor save modifiers, to hit modifiers, a better weapon system, a new close combat phase and a whole lot of other things. Basically the entire edition is a complete failure as most of the problems of 3rd edition stayed in the game and the few that were removed were simply replaced by new ones. However since no new 40K edition is in the horizon all you guys can hope for is that none of the new army books has game-breakingly cheesy units or other combinations available for players. If the future army books stay balanced you will only suffer from a period of a couple years when the old cheese reigns over the new armies but in the end all will be fine.

However I consider it much more likely that 40K will stay the dumb game for dumb guys who keep saying things like "armor save modifiers would make combat too complicated" or "different movement values would result in games lasting too long" or "I always thought the armoury page was really confusing." These people seem to completely ignore the fact that Warhammer Fantasy is a GW game too and a good one at that. Warhammer Fantasy is played competitively at tournaments all over the world while effectively employing all of the aforementioned elements. The game is far from being too complicated. 40K gamers commonly consider the choice of equipping their Carnifex with dual twink Devourers or giving their Terminators dual Assault Cannons 'good strategy' while FB players link the word strategy to various deployments, attack or defence patterns and maneouvres. If GW can produce games for all the different types of gamers I think it's a job well done. I can't be absolutely sure but I'm still fairly certain that GW has no intention of ever making 40K anything else than their kids' game and I think a few people on this board should accept this and move on.

I'm not saying you shouldn't still make pointless threads about how to kill Eldar Falcons...I'm saying that maybe the requests for future development should be aimed more to the actual target because it's 40K we're talking about here. Don't ask for a competitive wargame with balance. Ask for an easy to read codex with big full colour pictures and pre-painted miniatures. Don't ask for non-ambigous rules and online erratas and FAQs regarding rare game situations. Ask for faster games and pre-built army lists. Ask for Space Marines.

"a thousand players had to whine for four years straight to get some of the most blatant faults fixed."

If a thousand players whine on the internet, does GW hear a sound?

You know that the answer to that is, "not bloody likely."

Posted By Therion- on 04/07/2007 6:29 PM


I'm not going to comment on the crap by Slave about DA owning Godzilla because he's either incredibly stupid or intentionally trying to annoy the heck out of everyone. Dakka gets those kind of guys every once in a while and one of them is even responsible for stealing my account name.

Or maybe you can kiss my @$$.

There are two posters above you that hold the same opinion on the effcetiveness of the godzilla nids:  They are not all that.

But since I disagree with the majority of posters here, I am stupid, dumb, a troll, 14 years old, a noob, etc.

If you think I am intentionally trying to annoy you, you can bite me also.

Everything I said, with the exception of:  What dakka posters are is a gold standard for cancerous whiners who are hell bent on ruining a hobby. is relevant to this thread.

The rumour was that the DA codex was the gold standard of what Jervis wanted the writers to make new codexes.  It was stated that the DA codex was too weak.  It was brought up that it couldn't beat a Godzilla nids build.  If you read the whole thread, you would see that all of this was stated.

My point was in the context of this thread, it was not trolling.  Since I disagree with the majority of dakka, I am an idiot, tacticless, 14 years old, an idiot, a troll, a moron, and now stupid.  That leads to my highlighted post above.

I don't think that list is all that, I think it sucks,  and obviously, nid players near me suck, since the godzilla nid lists keep getting the crap kicked out of them.

Our players must suck, since the DA player is winning our campaign.

This is the kind of crap spwed from dakka posters, yet I am the troll.  I disagree with the power of a  list, and I get flamed.

This just makes me laugh.  So your top end player uses mixed RW & DW?  And you've only seen 1 out of 20 Godzilla nid army's win a game?

I'm always amazed when I read such obnoxious statements, that fly in the face of all rhyme or reason of anyone who has played this game for about 3 months.

Its obnoxious because I stated a fact.  Our top player being a DA player, and the zilla nid plists getting destroyed "fly in the face of all rhyme or reason of anyone who has played this game for about 3 months.

Godzilla Nid List stinky
Your position on the Nidzilla list being weak is debatable at best.  Just attend a tourney or other competitive event to see for yourself.   The most common army I saw at Adepticon this past weekend (remember 360+ players) was Nidzilla.  It even outnumbered marine drop pods.  You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but others are entitled to theirs without being accused of being hateful.

Are players around me, just not as competetive and tactical as Dakka posters, or the guy who owns the place.

That codex is better than fine, and the only problem it has is a lack of 2 assault cannons in a min/maxed squad, plus the 10 man squad and lack of min/maxed las plas squads.

This, tells me you have no idea what you are talking about.

I still agree that Godzilla Nid lists suck Rhino Testes.

This reinforces it.

Reinforces it, I think a list sucks, and I have no idea what I am talking about.

Of course, there is always the option that you could do us all a favor and get lost. Your obviously not interested in contributing anything, and even if you were, your obviously not bright enough to have anything useful to contribute.

Right, because my comments where not in context of this discussion right?  My whole point was NOT in context of this thread.  Bingo, thats right, I am not bright.

Also, can we start a policy of banning people who have 'played for 19 years' yet can't tell a god awful DA list from a tier 1 tourney list?

What about if they troll relentlessly and won't leave?

Right, I can't tell a list is god awful, because maybe it being god awful is not the dakka opnion?  So I am trolling, because I disagree with dakka?

Boring yes. Terribly easy to Smash? Either your local nid players are tactical morons, you're playing with next to no terrain, or you're nid players are running assault Godzillas...because nidzilla done properly (i.e. shooty) is well-nigh unstoppable unless a list is designed to take out 'zillas. How exactly did your 4 nids players try to do the Godzilla? I think there's a disconnect here.

Yes, they are tactical morons, but dakka posters are tactical geniuses?

See, all the above posts where not flaming me for calling dakka a bunch of whiners, they where flaming a player who doesn't agree with dakka posters opinions on an army list.  I can take that I was being an A hole for flaming dakka posters, by calling them whiners, but the facts are that my differening opinion is what was jumped on.  And once this is posted,  I will be called a bunch more names, and belittled in the next few posts, and someone will ask Russ to ban me, but I am correct.  I was not trolling, and my postes where in the codex of this thread (except pointning out that hellfury mostly just complains when he posts, and if I can discuss something in context of a thread, and be useless, he is definately useless.).

Lets see hellfury's first posts in this thread:

Wow. That does sound like a waste of money...

So nothing for GW. Ho-hum.

Well how about other companies that are doing stuff, like GF9?

I heard there was supposed to be oodles of new stuff to expect from them.

Any news on that front?

complaining

Heh. Not saying the following is true, but if it is, Jervis needs to be punched in the head.

I have my doubts regarding the veracity of this rumour though.

what does tihs have to do with anything, puch a dev?  because you don't like what he is doing?

I hope so. 4th edition is a wash.

But that wont stop GW from milking that cow until they feel the need to release 5th.

Complaining


Thats just in this thread.  I am pointing out a fact, he complains a whole lot, and doesn't actually contribute much else, yet I am the troll.  The troll who disagrees with the almighty and holy godzilla nids, and disagrees with dakka.




Thats the sad part.  Disagree with dakka, and you are an idiot, and I am the one trolling?

Look Phyrixis,

Someone can make a longer post then you!

Slave, you win the Phyrixis award for "Lengthiest Post of the Week!"

Posted By whitedragon on 04/07/2007 10:10 PM
Look Phyrixis,

Someone can make a longer post then you!

Slave, you win the Phyrixis award for "Lengthiest Post of the Week!"

Thanks   That was long eh?  Yikes.  Thats what I get for posting in between hot wing bites.

Mmm. Hot wings. You're making me hungry now.

I wouldn't worry too much about getting flamed on Dakka. You're onto Step 2 now.

Step 1: Shunning/Ignoring
Step 2: Flaming
Step 3: Acceptance

@Slave, I played in the Adepticon 40K Championships and I finished 3rd. I went 3-0 and I defeated a Zilla Nid army in the 3rd round. Had my opponents' Nid list not been so damn tough, I would have been able to get all 3 objectives and win the event.

Wanna guess what army I played in the event? It wasn't DA Codex marines, nor any marines for that matter. It was Godzilla Nidz!

I played Godzilla Nidz in the Gladiator and in the 40K championships and I went 3-1 and 3-0 respectively. My list was almost exactly the same for both events (minus the 150 point difference in list size). I did not use any Forgeworld units and I never fealt overmatched with my shooty-nidz list. What I am telling you is that Godzilla Nidz is rock solid and does not have any bad matchups.

Darrian

(He's not really interested, Darrian. But congrats! Competition in the Championships was looking fierce; I was out in the Fantasy tent, playing Gothic, and loving it.)

The only "bad" matchup for Nidzilla...is another Tyranid list, for exactly the reason Darrian noted - you'll end up damaging each other enough to impact your overall chances. Round 2 of the team tourney, our stealer-heavy force ran into Nidzilla, and we ended up with a very unlikely draw. And yeah - you don't need forgeworld to make it nasty; you're better off spending the points on more core stuff.

Tourneys as big as Adepticon, placing near the top is quite an accomplishment; with that many people sheer chance (particularly in pairings) is more likely to decide the order from 1-5 than anything else.

@ Slave:

 

It is interesting to hear your relative experiences against the Godzilla nid lists. If your DA player is good this could certainly skew the results a bit as good players can be hard to beat no matter what they are playing. I certainly won't call you names or flame you for your opinion.

 

I was also at Adepticon and we spent the last 6 months working on our team trying to make a balanced list that could handle everyone as well as godzilla nids....the fact that we have to single out a single list build and plan for it should attest to their power. Our team tied for 6th out of 90 teams which is pretty good for our first try.

 

Also, before totaly becoming convinced that Godzilla nids suck try playing someone like CaptK (Erich) from the CB team. I play with him on a regular basis...

Lazarus.

Posted By Lazarus on 04/08/2007 5:34 AM

@ Slave:

 

It is interesting to hear your relative experiences against the Godzilla nid lists. If your DA player is good this could certainly skew the results a bit as good players can be hard to beat no matter what they are playing. I certainly won't call you names or flame you for your opinion.

 

I was also at Adepticon and we spent the last 6 months working on our team trying to make a balanced list that could handle everyone as well as godzilla nids....the fact that we have to single out a single list build and plan for it should attest to their power. Our team tied for 6th out of 90 teams which is pretty good for our first try.

 

Also, before totaly becoming convinced that Godzilla nids suck try playing someone like CaptK (Erich) from the CB team. I play with him on a regular basis...

Lazarus.

He's right, I don't care about your mileage vs the godzilla nids.  They are your expieriences, and they are neither right nor wrong.  You love the list, or think it does great, then I am neither happy nor sad for you.

You have all the right in the world to think that list is great, or weak.  Your opinion on the list matters to you, and no matter what I think about it, or anyone else, no one should ever be flamed for thinking differently about an army list.

I am a Nid player, and a chaos player.  This is due to na incident in 1987, I was going into a hobby shop to buy a model rocket kit for a school science project when I saw some black armoured dude on a large box that looked like giant robots with human heads.  I couldn't afford the box, my friends and I combined could't afford it, so instead the man behind the counter ponted us toward a rack that had just a few things in each pack.

Geo picked something called squats, he licked the fact that they had Mohawks.

Matt picked up something called a guardian, because he was told they where space elves (heavy into D&D at the time).

I was stuck getting the weird looking dude called Slanneshi Marines.  On the way out, something else caught my eye, it was called a genestealer.  I was mad that thiers had 5 in the pack, and mine was only 4(heavy weapons back then where 4 to a pack, but had 6 heavy weapons), and my gene stealers where only 4 (2 pure strains, 2 hybrids), but mine where discounted, so I was cool.

Years later, the genestealer chaos cult came out in white dwarf, and slaves to darkness made it to america, 19 years later, nerdy and chaos/tyranids.

So before anyone calls me cheesy for playeing the top armies, I have played Tyrainds and chaos since Chaos was IN the tyranid army as a group of 5 mind slaves for 140 points.

Back to my point.

When playing chaos, I beat godzilla nids, when playing my medium sized nids list, I beat godzilla nids.

I dunno.  I think the list is lame, and I won with it.  I have 3 of the old czrnifexes from 2nd edition, both are converted to be shooty, I have a 3rd edition carnifex thats shooty, and a 4th that is assault.

3 biovores.

I won.  I played zilla nids a few times, it was victory pionts, and no sweat. 

No matter what I think though, why do I have to be called names because I disagree with dakka on this?  That list, to me, sucks goat unit. 

Slave, it's like you're walking into a computer game retailer's convention and saying "I don't know what you guys are talking about with this World of Warcraft crap. This game sucks and doesn't sell at my shop. Clearly you guys don't know what you're talking about."

Would you be surprised if the game shop owners thought you were on crack or asked you why you were trying to sell them a load of horsepucky?

Godzilla nids are rock hard. Adepticon had (on average) nastier, stronger lists than I saw at either GT I've been to (Boston and Baltimore), and Godzilla was everywhere and was doing extremely well. That's solid performance data. It's objective reality, not just subjective opinion. We're talking about an event featuring three of the largest 40k tournaments in the world, players from all over the country (and a few from outside), and the two strongest general builds are Godzilla nids and three Falcon Eldar. Exactly the stuff that Dakka recognizes as nasty and comes up in tactical and army lists discussions constantly.

Stonefox had an excellent point that initially people were skeptical about its viability. But the list has proven itself a serious contender.

Posted By Mannahnin on 04/08/2007 6:52 AM
Slave, it's like you're walking into a computer game retailer's convention and saying "I don't know what you guys are talking about with this World of Warcraft crap. This game sucks and doesn't sell at my shop. Clearly you guys don't know what you're talking about."

Would you be surprised if the game shop owners thought you were on crack or asked you why you were trying to sell them a load of horsepucky?

Godzilla nids are rock hard. Adepticon had (on average) nastier, stronger lists than I saw at either GT I've been to (Boston and Baltimore), and Godzilla was everywhere and was doing extremely well. That's solid performance data. It's objective reality, not just subjective opinion. We're talking about an event featuring three of the largest 40k tournaments in the world, players from all over the country (and a few from outside), and the two strongest general builds are Godzilla nids and three Falcon Eldar. Exactly the stuff that Dakka recognizes as nasty and comes up in tactical and army lists discussions constantly.

Stonefox had an excellent point that initially people were skeptical about its viability. But the list has proven itself a serious contender.

Difference being, I never said dakka posters CLEARLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT when it comes to the Nid list.  I never said ANYTHING about ANYONE'S opinion on ANY army list.  I never spoke on the list selling.  I never mentioned any other living being when I said the list sucks.  I simply said it sucks, and if the DA list is gonna be the standard for the future codex, we will be in great shape.  So, no, you are wrong, and your anecdote is way off base, and doesn't apply to  what I did or said.

I never said people didn't succeed with it, nor did I mention anything derogatory about anyone in here who likes the list, I said it sucks, because I think it does, and it does horrible that I have seen.  We have players who have been to RTT and to a few GTs, we have ahigh sucess rate in tourneys nationally.  I don't, because I could never afford to travel to one, but players I play with have, and the list doesn't do as well as dakkaites have seen it.

I think it sucks, and once again, no one should ever be flamed for disagreeing with dakka.

On an off topic note:  The Warcraft thing should never be used for any comparisons, as there are many reason one could disagree with  that one being any good.  I hate it, thats because I hate raids, instanced raids, the battleground system, pastel colors, silly voices (WHASS UP!), big over sized wrists, homogonised classes, goofy dances, goofy dances, goofy dances and goofy dances.

Posted By Slave on 04/08/2007 7:20 AM
I think it sucks, and once again, no one should ever be flamed for disagreeing with dakka.

On an off topic note:  The Warcraft thing should never be used for any comparisons, as there are many reason one could disagree with  that one being any good.  I hate it, thats because I hate raids, instanced raids, the battleground system, pastel colors, silly voices (WHASS UP!), big over sized wrists, homogonised classes, goofy dances, goofy dances, goofy dances and goofy dances.

Please see my sig. 

And your OT note misses the point of Ragnar's comment: that WOW is popular as all get-out. 

Before people keep going on about how Zilla nids has no bad matchups, I would like to remind then that DE basically rape them.

Usually by turn 2.

Slave, why are you still here?

You lost all credibility with your comments on Zilla Nids and DA

You lost any semblence of respect you might have gotten when you publicly attacked EVERYONE on dakka.

There has to be some board that you can whoo with your '19 years of experience'

Posted by: Slave

He's right, I don't care about your mileage vs the godzilla nids.  They are your expieriences, and they are neither right nor wrong.  You love the list, or think it does great, then I am neither happy nor sad for you.

I don't love the list at all. I personally wouldn't play it for fear of having my comp scores handed to me in my hat. The list does wonders in the hands of a skilled player.

You have all the right in the world to think that list is great, or weak.  Your opinion on the list matters to you, and no matter what I think about it, or anyone else, no one should ever be flamed for thinking differently about an army list.

Agreed. No reason to flame over stuff like that. I will however attempt to enguage in discussion on the subject.

I am a Nid player, and a chaos player.  This is due to na incident in 1987, I was going into a hobby shop to buy a model rocket kit for a school science project when I saw some black armoured dude on a large box that looked like giant robots with human heads.  I couldn't afford the box, my friends and I combined could't afford it, so instead the man behind the counter ponted us toward a rack that had just a few things in each pack.

Geo picked something called squats, he licked the fact that they had Mohawks.

Matt picked up something called a guardian, because he was told they where space elves (heavy into D&D at the time).

I was stuck getting the weird looking dude called Slanneshi Marines.  On the way out, something else caught my eye, it was called a genestealer.  I was mad that thiers had 5 in the pack, and mine was only 4(heavy weapons back then where 4 to a pack, but had 6 heavy weapons), and my gene stealers where only 4 (2 pure strains, 2 hybrids), but mine where discounted, so I was cool.

Years later, the genestealer chaos cult came out in white dwarf, and slaves to darkness made it to america, 19 years later, nerdy and chaos/tyranids.

So before anyone calls me cheesy for playeing the top armies, I have played Tyrainds and chaos since Chaos was IN the tyranid army as a group of 5 mind slaves for 140 points.

What does this have to do with Godzilla nids? Is it more of a street cred type thing? I aslo played squats & genestealer cult but that doesn't make my opinion any greater....

When playing chaos, I beat godzilla nids, when playing my medium sized nids list, I beat godzilla nids.

You success rate against this particular army is good. However, it is a very small sampling of the whole. Before coming to my current club everyone used to pound eldar there....until I showed up. (lol)

I dunno.  I think the list is lame, and I won with it.  I have 3 of the old czrnifexes from 2nd edition, both are converted to be shooty, I have a 3rd edition carnifex thats shooty, and a 4th that is assault.

If you can win with every army you are either a very good player or the other players are simply not up to your level of play. Either works fine. It still does not change the power potential that a given list has.

Lazarus.

Posted By IntoTheRain on 04/08/2007 7:32 AM
There has to be some board that you can whoo with your '19 years of experience'

Warseer?

*slinks away*

BYE

Posted By Slave on 04/08/2007 7:20 AM

Difference being, I never said dakka posters CLEARLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT when it comes to the Nid list.  I never said ANYTHING about ANYONE'S opinion on ANY army list.  I never spoke on the list selling.  I never mentioned any other living being when I said the list sucks.  I simply said it sucks, and if the DA list is gonna be the standard for the future codex, we will be in great shape.  So, no, you are wrong, and your anecdote is way off base, and doesn't apply to  what I did or said.

I'm afraid you are failing to apply critical reasoning.  You walked into a forum primarily concerned with competitive play, and claimed that Godzilla nids "suck" and new codex Dark Angels are powerful.

You knew when you did it that these are opinions blatantly contradictory to those held by the majority of posters on this forum, so either you're trolling, you're trying to enlighten us as to data we're missing, or you're just not thinking clearly and unable to predict the obvious response.

In the experience of most of us here, and from what we have observed at GTs and other major competitive events, Godzilla nids include some of the strongest lists in the game.  In the world of computer gaming, World of Warcraft is ridiculously popular and profitable.  When I touch fire, it is hot, and I can burn myself.

If you walk into a group of competitive 40k players and say Godzilla sucks and never wins, or a group of computer game retailers and say WoW is a terrible product and doesn't make any money for stores, or a cave full of GW Stone Trolls and say "No really, fire is good for you!", you should not be surprised if the response you get is less than positive.

^^Best post ever.

Edit: Referring to Mannahnin's post.

I think he meant to say DA sucks.

- Greenie

flame bait...heheehe
I don't believe any of the product mentioned was actually out yet in 87...

So, back to the original post, when looking at this "New Track" for codicies, I am a bit conflicted.

If it results in less versatile stuff in the future, that is definitely bad, but I'd personally wait until the first general codex comes out. Looking at one specific, limited scope, single chapter codex may not end up quite the same as the Ork's when they arrive. So I'll reserve judgement on that for now.

As to the balance issue with DA, well, that also needs further data. If they are going to be the new baseline to judge all future releases on, regarding combat balancing, then it may be a couple years until we see the fruits of this effort. But, if that is the case, then we have a couple screwy years of sub-competitive books to look foreward to.

However, the one definite ray of hope for me in all this is that Jervis seems to have made a public admission that things are rather broken in the entire line of 40k right now, and is attempting to rectify it. The first step is admitting you have a problem, I just hope his fixes aren't worse than what we started with.

Oh, and the 3-month rumor window.... Yeah, it sucks, but as long as the actual releases come along at the same rate it's a manageable thing. But also, it may just be that he can't say anything more than 3 months in advance personally, but rumors may still get leaked.... and just won't have the "Official" backing to them. Kinda like the rumors of the Ork Christmas, which is still 8 months out.

Oh god, that post made me realized something

If DA is the direction there taking the game..

And Orks are coming out for Christmas..

"Oh god, that post made me realized something

If DA is the direction there taking the game..

And Orks are coming out for Christmas.."

I'm afraid you're quite correct. 4th ed Orks will all wear dresses and come in combat squads of fives.

My random thoughts from this thread.

I'm currently working on glueing my DA army together.  I think the new 'dex is great except for two minor quibbles.  1:Scouts as Elites instead of Troops and 2:No 10-man Termie squads.  I don't see how people can look at this list and say everyone's list will be the same.  One of the things I love about it is that I can do massive Termie army one game,turn around and do a force of almost nothing but Landspeeders and Bikes the next,then mix them together,or do fairly generic list with none of them.  The list is extremely well balanced,on paper.  When you see the same army over and over again is when you throw in too many options and someone makes something broken like 'Nidzilla out of the new 'Nid 'dex,drop pod SM's,or the 9 Obliterator/3 Defiler/Traiter Basilisk Iron Warriors when the last Chaos 'dex dropped.  Then,you get everybody out there mimicking these broken armies.   For on-field strategy and aesthetics,you want diverse looking armies on the field with a little of this and a little of that.  You don't get that when people are using massive amounts of options to build "do-all" uber-characters and units.  What you get is 200+ point Demon Princes that can walk through at least 1/3 of most people's armies backed up by three Defilers raining Battle Cannon shots down on the poor sob.  Where's the strategy in that? 

I think a lot of this "hate" on the DA 'dex and the direction the 'dexes are going in is from what seems like "tourney" players.   I can respect their perspective,however,in most any hobby/sport/whatever,tournament players are a very vocal minority.  In a typical such industry,usually only 1-5% of the participants are participating in tourneys on any regular basis.  I'm not a tourney 40k player,but I have been a tourney player in other games and recreational sports.  As a tourney game player,you literally try and break the game.  You try to come up with the cheesiest,most min/maxed,munchkined-out creation you can and see how it stacks up against everybody else's.  That's a big part of the fun of it.  Less options=less chance to break the game,killing that aspect of the fun for the tourney players.  I don't expect them to like that,but they are in the minority.  1-5% of GW's audience wants options,while 95% wants game balance.  Casual players don't want to be setting up their armies with the knowledge that they've lost,even before the game begins,because of their opponent's army list.  To keep sacrificing game balance for options doesn't make sense.   GW can still run tourney's with a balanced game.  It's just that now competitors are going to have to win the game on the field instead of on their copy of Army Builder.

As far as the "demise" of the Craftworlds go,it goes with the theme of what Jervis is trying to accomplish.  In the White Dwarf in which he talks about the design of the DA 'dex,he talks about how he wasn't going to write rules for rules sake anymore.  He says items like Purity Seals should be on the models to add flavor to them,not because of some obscure rules bonus.  The same applies to the Craftworlds.  You should play,Ulthwe,for example,because you like their fluff and you want to play with a bunch of Guardians,not because some book gives them BS 4.  You should play Iodin(sp?) because you like their fluff and you want to field a bunch of Wraithlords and Wraithguard.  Why does GW have to write rules to entice players to field and play their armies "the right way?"

For Chaos,I'd like to see a Chaos Undivided 'dex with rules for the other Undivided Legions,like Iron Warriors,Alpha Legion,Word Bearers,etc,much like the current SM 'dex.  Then seperate Codexes for World Eaters,Thousand Sons,Emperor's Children,and Death Guard.  Chaos IS suppossed to be main enemy to the Imperium.  They should get equal time and support in the line,not all just get lumped into one book.