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**JohnHwangDD**

ShumaGorath wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Karon wrote:And the deathstrike missle isn't large enough.

Exactly. It needs to be extended by about 6", so the length is more proportional to a SCUD-A / R-11 on a JS-3 TEL.

Which would roughly match the Epic model.

The scale of the weapons effect doesn't really match up to that though.

The rules can be easily fixed in Apoc 2. The model, not so much.

I would gladly pay Apoc-sized points for an appropriately-armed Deathstrike.

**H.B.M.C.**

Except they won't, given it's in the Codex.

**Scott-S6**

Duncan_Idaho wrote:If you want a better design for the LR check this one:

Big problem with it - no rivets!

**CadianXV**

Or skulls.

**Jackal**

Russ kit - Nice to actually see options for once, but not a guard player, so meh.

Deathstrike & co - May have to buy one for parts for orks, but other than that, looks like a great kit.

Pask - What a load of bollocks.

Fire prism - Pure quality, love the model, now they need to start re-doing other things, like jetbikes.

Support wep - Nice concept, not so nice presentation on the model.
Looks a bit thrown together in a rush.

No BA, ork or nid love? :(

**Redemption**

A quick preview of the rules, by Bramgaunt:

BramGaunt wrote:Spearhead, and how you play it!

Basically at least, I'm not giving any detail (because I can't, I was just given a short overview)

1st: Pick your Army.

You all know the basic FoC? Can draw it while sleeping? Good. Spearhead uses the same FoC - with two major changes. The first: No minimums. You don't have to field a HQ. You don't need Core Units. The Second: There are apocalypse-datasheet-like Units. You may field as many of those as you want, though you may not duplicate any of them.
So, your army will consist of: 0 - 2 HQ, 0 - 3 Elites, 0-6 Core, 0-3 Fast attack, 0-3 Heavy support, and 0+ "Big Spearhead Units". Appearantly, if you are having a 2000 points battle, you would have to field something. Just pick your choice.

So: You don't need to field anything with a AV at all. It's just that anything with a AV will get some huge boosts.

2nd: Deployment.

Both armys are deployed at the narrow board edges. Ah, Meltaguns for infantry only work like, 12 inches? To bad. It's your fault showing up with infantry for a tank battle. Forward, for the emperor, CHARGE!! (Though, not to far forward, remember, they got meltaguns...)

3rd: Scoring units: In addition to core units, any vehicle or walker and all Spearhead-battlehosts score. Even if immobilized, stunned or shaken and/or stripped of all weapons.

And that's it. Enjoy =)

So, you don't need to have huge units of tanks (or any tanks at all for that matter), but they do get bonusses.

Edit: Some more from Frgt/10:

Frgt/10 wrote:in addition to this;
- spearhead units are either groups of 3 tanks (no more no less) OR groups of 1 superheavy
- the spearhead formations gain different USRs depending on their role; ie: tankhunters for pred annihilators, scout for some fast vehicles, etc
- works similar to apoc formations, with a small points cost for the spearhead formation
- pretty sure superheavies don't get USRs

**I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly**

I intend to buy 3 fire prisms (I've been putting it off due to fear of metal) but I'm almost certain I'll cut the big prism at the base of the gun out. Without that bit, the gun is still long enough, and it should look a lot less silly.

**Terminus**

I love that Vanquisher cannon. Hopefully they will be real cheap as individual bits since the tank actually sucks quite a bit, so I can use them to represent regular Battle Tanks.

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Scott-S6 wrote:
Duncan_Idaho wrote:If you want a better design for the LR check this one:

Big problem with it - no rivets!

The other big problem being a hefty price tag of ~$75.

**Sidstyler**

The fire prism must be the first Jes Goodwin model I've seen that no one likes. And I'm not really sure I get why, it looks a lot better than before without the prissy-ass crystal just kinda stuck on. I like that there's an actual barrel now and that the crystal is integrated into it.

Other than that though, pretty underwhelming release. I like that the rules are free, I wish all the 40k expansions were free seeing as how they're all pretty crap anyway (and this one will probably be no different)...and I like the new Guard stuff...but that's it? Really?

**Harms66**

Great, now we have options for the standard Russ, but the price has gone up, and if like me you want the track guard it's now even more expensive.

Anyone looking to bay a guards army, their getting way too expensive.

Nice models though apart from Pask..

**Savnock**

Thanks for the rules info, Redemption. That's what I and many others were checking this thread for, only to find nothing but kvetching about the models.

I do wonder if any special allowances are made for 'Nids.

**Duncan_Idaho**

The price is quite adequate for a resin model with ALL options.

As promised a size comparison

The design is btw based more on german and french tanks than on the Macharius, who actually took his ideas from those tanks.
Skulls and imperial symbols are not there for a reason, This way the there is no hassle with GW legal dept. And they can easily be added by getting parts from you bist box or getting some symbol sprues from FW

It does have rivets, but in a realistical kind of way

BTW he is already working on other tank designs

**Scottywan82**

Whoa, crazy! Cool looking stuff.

**Duncan_Idaho**

Did I mention I got one just because it looks so cool? Normally I just play Elysians and Tau, but this baby had to be mine.

**Scottywan82**

That price tag is mad heavy though. And it's currently missing a few option I would like to see.

Perhaps things like an E-radiatior Cannon and a Punishing Gun? It's a good size tank though. Beefier than the LRBT by far which is cool.

**Duncan_Idaho**

Well, for continental europeans the price is quite good for a full resin modell, but UK and US could be a little hefty. Now you feel the pain our LGS feel. ,)

**Illumini**

Yes, finally someone is making an assault gun/tank destroyer

It does have a punishing gun, look at the twin-multibarreled gun.

**Scottywan82**

Illumini wrote:Yes, finally someone is making an assault gun/tank destroyer

It does have a punishing gun, look at the twin-multibarreled gun.

Where is that in the resin picture on his site? I didn't actually see it.

**Scott-S6**

Thanks for the pics. The website shots make it look smooth and lacking in detail - looks much better in yours.

I like!

**Illumini**

Scottywan82 wrote:
Illumini wrote:Yes, finally someone is making an assault gun/tank destroyer

It does have a punishing gun, look at the twin-multibarreled gun.

Where is that in the resin picture on his site? I didn't actually see it.

Yeah, can't see it in the resin pictures. I drew the conclusion from the computer images he posted in this thread.

I've ordered one now, so I'll tell you if it is included when I recieve it (or Duncan can just tell us

)

**Duncan_Idaho**

They are all included as you can see also on the web page pictures for the tank.

**Scottywan82**

Duncan_Idaho wrote:They are all included as you can see also on the web page pictures for the tank.

I didn't actually see it on the web picture.

**Necros**

After some more thought, not a big fan of the deathstrike. Just gonna go with the 4 rockets. But, I do like the look of the deathstrike alone, I think that with the launcher might make for some good terrain or objective models.

For eldar I really like the fire prism, but I think I would also cut off the long barrel and just have the big crystal for the end of the gun and make it old school, just plastic. Really not a fan of the night spinner though, just looks short and stubby and like the turret looks more like a mini fighter pod that landed on top of a falcon. The support weapons look fine to me, and looks like they'd be easy to magnetize so you can have all 3.

**agnosto**

I'm sorry but the deathstrike looks like it was designed by an ork mechboy on happy juice.

**Kanluwen**

Sidstyler wrote:The fire prism must be the first Jes Goodwin model I've seen that no one likes. And I'm not really sure I get why, it looks a lot better than before without the prissy-ass crystal just kinda stuck on. I like that there's an actual barrel now and that the crystal is integrated into it.

Other than that though, pretty underwhelming release. I like that the rules are free, I wish all the 40k expansions were free seeing as how they're all pretty crap anyway (and this one will probably be no different)...and I like the new Guard stuff...but that's it? Really?

Well, there's supposed to be one more release that's related to Imperial Guard Stormtroopers...

Anyways, I think people dislike the Fire Prism/Nightspinner because they have no taste.

I like that he's bringing it in line with Forge World's line-up that he did the concept/sculpting work for.

**BrassScorpion**

The fire prism must be the first Jes Goodwin model I've seen that no one likes.

That's odd, isn't it? The new Goodwin design is much sleeker, high-tech and futuristic looking than the clunky gigantic crystal on the old design. This may be one of those circumstances where a lot of people are having trouble with the fact that the design changed at all more than the change itself, although they're not consciously aware of it and so the new design itself becomes the focus of their displeasure. Personally, I like all the new major plastic`releases here and am looking forward to painting a few.

**ryanstartalker**

Well then after skimming through the comments I suppose the only hope of sales of new Fire Prisms would rely on the Night Spinner part...

I actually like the support weapon; Looks neat to me. Just don't know what it is used for, though...

**LunaHound**

Sidstyler wrote:And I'm not really sure I get why, it looks a lot better than before without the prissy-ass crystal just kinda stuck on. I like that there's an actual barrel now and that the crystal is integrated into it.

Here is why i think.
In order to fit that size prism crystal in , the red ring and black part ( that connects to the turret ) need to be wider .
If not , it looks like a boa constrictor just ate an elephant and its stuck in the back of its throat.

So i made a pic explaining: (disclaimer , the bottom right pic only exists because i want to fit that ugly gray crystal in , and yes it looks stupid like that i know xD )

**puma713**

Getting the feeling that this "free" expansion was just a clever way to sneak in a Leman Russ price hike.

**carmachu**

Some of those kits are nice, but they most certainly are not $50 worth nice. Wow......when did non-LR/BW tank kits jump that high?