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Losing Al'Rahem, Marbo, Mogul Kamir (I actually use Rough Riders... not well, but I use them) and the Penal Squads was a deal breaker for me. I will not be getting the new codex and will continue to play with my 5th edition codex until something actually better comes along (so...9th edition, then?).

All of the new units/vehicles the IG got seemed to be units nobody was ever asking anyone for. Riot police Ogryns? An open-topped twin-linked mortar tank? A transport that somehow managed to be less durable than a Rhino? Can anyone here honestly say that they ever heard anyone wish the IG had anything like the above units?

Sorry, GW, you will not be getting my money for your sub-par army book and overpriced models. I run a Tallarn Guard army, now... I can buy everything I need off of ebay, and I can get it cheaper there than I can get it from you.


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 krazynadechukr wrote:
I'm a guard player. That means keeping up the guard rules as they change over time. If I didn't get the new codex, I wouldn't be a guard player.

If you get the new codex, you won't be a guard player; you will be an Astra Militarum player. Your codex don't say "Imperial Guard" on the front, does it? Mine does, however...

squidhills wrote:


If you get the new codex, you won't be a guard player; you will be an Astra Militarum player. Your codex don't say "Imperial Guard" on the front, does it? Mine does, however...

Okay, I understand some people dislike the name change, but its no different than how Sisters of Battle have their 'codex' called Adepta Sororitas. Or how Space Marines is the common name for their true name; Adeptus Astartes.

They're still Imperial Guard. Astra Militarum is their high gothic name, or whatever.

No need to be overly dramatic about a name on a book.

 Blacksails wrote:

squidhills wrote:


If you get the new codex, you won't be a guard player; you will be an Astra Militarum player. Your codex don't say "Imperial Guard" on the front, does it? Mine does, however...

Okay, I understand some people dislike the name change, but its no different than how Sisters of Battle have their 'codex' called Adepta Sororitas. Or how Space Marines is the common name for their true name; Adeptus Astartes.

They're still Imperial Guard. Astra Militarum is their high gothic name, or whatever.

No need to be overly dramatic about a name on a book.

Except that the Marines and the Sisters have always had a High Gothic name, since back in Rogue Trader. The IG hasn't. It's new, and not even in keeping with how GW has styled their other High Gothic names. "Astra Militarum" is crap. ADEPTUS Militarum would be better, and more in keeping with Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Minisotrum, etc.

Now they do, making it consistent with the rest of the organisations.

It's not as if Imperial Guard has been retconned out of existence.

squidhills wrote:

Except that the Marines and the Sisters have always had a High Gothic name, since back in Rogue Trader. The IG hasn't. It's new, and not even in keeping with how GW has styled their other High Gothic names. "Astra Militarum" is crap. ADEPTUS Militarum would be better, and more in keeping with Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Minisotrum, etc.

So they added something new? Great, they still kept Imperial Guard as their low gothic name, so I fail to see what the issue is here.

Now every group has their own high gothic name, however silly they may be.

Hardly a reason to say you're not a Guard player if you use the new book.

squidhills wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

squidhills wrote:


If you get the new codex, you won't be a guard player; you will be an Astra Militarum player. Your codex don't say "Imperial Guard" on the front, does it? Mine does, however...

Okay, I understand some people dislike the name change, but its no different than how Sisters of Battle have their 'codex' called Adepta Sororitas. Or how Space Marines is the common name for their true name; Adeptus Astartes.

They're still Imperial Guard. Astra Militarum is their high gothic name, or whatever.

No need to be overly dramatic about a name on a book.

Except that the Marines and the Sisters have always had a High Gothic name, since back in Rogue Trader. The IG hasn't. It's new, and not even in keeping with how GW has styled their other High Gothic names. "Astra Militarum" is crap. ADEPTUS Militarum would be better, and more in keeping with Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Minisotrum, etc.

I'm not a fan of "AM", but I'm guessing the reason they didn't use "Adept-" is because "Adept-" implies some great skill or ability, where as IG are more of a meat grinder than representative of some great ability.

squidhills wrote:
Losing Al'Rahem, Marbo, Mogul Kamir (I actually use Rough Riders... not well, but I use them) and the Penal Squads was a deal breaker for me. I will not be getting the new codex and will continue to play with my 5th edition codex until something actually better comes along (so...9th edition, then?).

All of the new units/vehicles the IG got seemed to be units nobody was ever asking anyone for. Riot police Ogryns? An open-topped twin-linked mortar tank? A transport that somehow managed to be less durable than a Rhino? Can anyone here honestly say that they ever heard anyone wish the IG had anything like the above units?

Ignore amazing orders, tank warlord, flexible HQ boost like priests and cheap psykers (= really important stuff for actual play, like ton of rerolls, ignore cover, precision shot for blobs) was your intention? Because nit-picking you didnt want ogres with shields is, pretty much, missing what makes the codex really good.

Im not saying you should buy it, but maybe you just didnt understand it...

Yeah, some people are always trying to highlight the negative things instead of positive ones.

I don't say some things didn't disappoint me (i.e Harker) but hey, life goes on. Enjoy new tank commanders, cheaper Grenadiers, new Stormtroopers etc.

 Blacksails wrote:

squidhills wrote:


If you get the new codex, you won't be a guard player; you will be an Astra Militarum player. Your codex don't say "Imperial Guard" on the front, does it? Mine does, however...

Okay, I understand some people dislike the name change, but its no different than how Sisters of Battle have their 'codex' called Adepta Sororitas. Or how Space Marines is the common name for their true name; Adeptus Astartes.

They're still Imperial Guard. Astra Militarum is their high gothic name, or whatever.

No need to be overly dramatic about a name on a book.

While I don't have such a problem with introducing a new high gothic name for the IG, the level of which the faux-gothic gets spammed makes it read like a bad harry potter fanfic.

Got codex on weekend.

They say "Imperial Guard" in the codex far more than "Astra Militarum" so it really does not matter in the end.

Focus does seem to be on the units of guys and all the things / HQ's you can add to them and orders to give them a boost (like Sisters and Dark Eldar).

New orders, Psykers with Divination pretty much anyone you can add to a unit look to be the areas of interest.

REALLY confused on coming out with Taurox with 10 man capacity compared to a Chimera plus also you can still issue commands from a Chimera but not a Taurox (??!!). Not giving the new model a fighting chance.

I am not really seeing any "deals" yet in the points but the walkers are looking good to me (I was having alcohol at the time I read, so anything may have looked good).

Now I just have to figure out how to "hide" command squads while remaining close to the troops for commands. Really wish the radios in the squads extended command range.

A Tank commander squad could be fielded so freeing up at least one heavy slot is possible if you are a "tread-head".

Not sure I like the direction we want to "see" the "men" included in the new artillery but you can spend points to make it an enclosed compartment.

All in all: I have Imperial Guard models and the new codex lets me play with them as a "decent" force, not like Eldar or Tau, but I can play some non-White Scar marines and have a good scrap.

GW has succeeded to flog their models but the Taurox looks like marketing and the rules guys had a disconnect.

Is the fluff a copy-paste job of the previous dex?

Just got the codex. I was "one of them suckers" who got the limited edition lol.

Now unlike my bro inlaws limited edition eldar dex the IG one has a lot more extras. Nice material bound hard case, card sleeve with baneblade diagram and material bound book.

I have just typed up a 1000pt list for our upcoming campaign and put in the new points next to the old ones. Most of the stuff is the same, infantry squads the same pts, HQ is a little bit more and only my exterminator has dropped by a lot.

Sniper rifles have gone down so with a bit of tweaking I have managed to get 2 more snipers and a Lascannon instead of a heavy bolter.

One thing that has annoyed me is the order for 'Take aim!'

"Aiming carefully, the officer bids his men steady themselves and recall page one hundred and nine of the Imperial Infantryman's uplifting primer - the Litany of Accuracy"

Shout if you have spotted it

Daston wrote:
Just got the codex. I was "one of them suckers" who got the limited edition lol.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Very simple. Want to play astra, aka guard? Buy the new codex. You are welcome.

squidhills wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

squidhills wrote:


If you get the new codex, you won't be a guard player; you will be an Astra Militarum player. Your codex don't say "Imperial Guard" on the front, does it? Mine does, however...

Okay, I understand some people dislike the name change, but its no different than how Sisters of Battle have their 'codex' called Adepta Sororitas. Or how Space Marines is the common name for their true name; Adeptus Astartes.

They're still Imperial Guard. Astra Militarum is their high gothic name, or whatever.

No need to be overly dramatic about a name on a book.

Except that the Marines and the Sisters have always had a High Gothic name, since back in Rogue Trader. The IG hasn't. It's new, and not even in keeping with how GW has styled their other High Gothic names. "Astra Militarum" is crap. ADEPTUS Militarum would be better, and more in keeping with Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Minisotrum, etc.

God, I know right. I mean check out the obvious glaring differences in guard models versus astra models! Unbelievable. Just a complete shake up of the entire 40k universe, and even our own private lives. Gw why? (And end scene.)

 krazynadechukr wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

squidhills wrote:


If you get the new codex, you won't be a guard player; you will be an Astra Militarum player. Your codex don't say "Imperial Guard" on the front, does it? Mine does, however...

Okay, I understand some people dislike the name change, but its no different than how Sisters of Battle have their 'codex' called Adepta Sororitas. Or how Space Marines is the common name for their true name; Adeptus Astartes.

They're still Imperial Guard. Astra Militarum is their high gothic name, or whatever.

No need to be overly dramatic about a name on a book.

Except that the Marines and the Sisters have always had a High Gothic name, since back in Rogue Trader. The IG hasn't. It's new, and not even in keeping with how GW has styled their other High Gothic names. "Astra Militarum" is crap. ADEPTUS Militarum would be better, and more in keeping with Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Minisotrum, etc.

God, I know right. I mean check out the obvious glaring differences in guard models versus astra models! Unbelievable. Just a complete shake up of the entire 40k universe, and even our own private lives. Gw why? (And end scene.)

He wasn't talking about the models or the army itself; only the name. You aren't helping Asta's case here.

I like the new codex, it's all about the grunts and tanks.

I am disappointed in losing the Colossus and Medusa (the Wyvern is a more than acceptable substitute for the Griffon), but the cost reduction for Russes and the whole tank commander thing as an HQ choice. I'll be rocking double preferred enemy punishers for the inevitable Ork hordes coming our way soon.

Love the new command squad, the advisors may not be as good, but they are a lot cheaper. The new orders are great.

I hate the fact that heavy bolters cost 10 points each. Hell, the Tempestus Codex that came out a week prior prices valkyrie sponsons at 10 for the pair, why does IG pay 100% more? And I won't even go into the also relatively recent Inquisition codex that still has the old Valkyrie price. I could maybe buy the fluff argument that IG have to pay more than Stormtroopers for stuff like power weapons and plasma guns due to their scarcity, but heavy bolters? The heavy bolters are just some of the probably unnecessary 5 to 10 point tax hikes in the book, like for Manticores/Vendettas/Chimeras/heavy weapon teams.
Oh well, at least they priced infantry heavy flamers right.

Speaking of power weapons, the increase in price pretty much killed the power blob, but conscripts with priest/commissar/allied inquisitor with hammerhand and rad/psy grenades seem very promising.

Not sold on the new scions, they got cheaper but also lost a lot of their abilities, so at face value they are a wash. The Tempestus side has some very nice orders, but with only one order per command squad, they are highly limited. I think if the squad sgts could issue these orders to their own unit I'd like them a lot more. The Airborne Assault formation is very interesting, and offers most of the old flavor, but is one squad+bird too big to squeeze into most games. 75 points for grenadiers is probably the better choice.

It's disappointing that all the miscellaneous stuff (Ogryns, Rough Riders, Snotlings, Psykers) are all still crap, but for me IG has always been just about boots and big guns, and if I want wonky stuff, I can always bring in Sororitas or Astartes or even Necrons as count-as-Mechanicus.

Overall, the OP's summary is pretty much spot on, and I decided to get the new codex (note I didn't say buy). It has brought me out of 40K retirement, especially since I don't have to pick up anything except maybe a couple of skyshard mortar sprues off ebay.

 UlrikDecado wrote:

Ignore amazing orders, tank warlord, flexible HQ boost like priests and cheap psykers (= really important stuff for actual play, like ton of rerolls, ignore cover, precision shot for blobs) was your intention? Because nit-picking you didnt want ogres with shields is, pretty much, missing what makes the codex really good.

Im not saying you should buy it, but maybe you just didnt understand it...

The orders we already have work well enough for my needs, I don't run armored companies (or have enough tanks to even try) my HQ is in the rear with the gear (apart from Al'Rahem and Mogul Kaimr... and Kamir can't get a priest or psyker anyway) so the things that make the codex really good in your eyes do pretty much nothing for me. Units and characters that I based my army around got removed (Penal Squads, Al'Rahem, Marbo, Mogul Kamir), and replaced with things that do not fit my army at all (Bullgryns, Taurox, and um... yeah. Oh, the Wyvern... that was the other one. Well, that one is kinda nice, I'll admit, but doesn't have a place in my army). While the codex may benefit you, it does very little to benefit me, and forces me to completely redesign my army from the ground up. You'll pardon me if I decide to think poorly of this codex, thank you.

Also, no matter how good they made psykers and priests, everyone has to admit that of the all-new units we got this codex (Bullgryn, Taurox and Wyvern) nobody asked for anything like them. At all. That the Wyvern is actually pretty sweet doesn't change the fact that GW gave us stuff nobody wanted, while completely ignoring things we did want (new plastic Catachans, or Tallarns, or Mordians, or Krieg, new Rough Riders, new SC models for older SCs, new elite slot units, etc). There was a satirical IG rumor thread a while back where a bunch of people posted the most insane new rules and units we could think of, and nobody came up with riot police Ogryns or a transport that was crappier than a Rhino, and we were trying to come up with crazy gak.

Just out of curiousity, when is the last time GW ever came out with something new and people said "that is exactly what we asked for?" Because as far as I can remember every release has had an undertone of having stuff no one asked for.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Just out of curiousity, when is the last time GW ever came out with something new and people said "that is exactly what we asked for?" Because as far as I can remember every release has had an undertone of having stuff no one asked for.

I asked for THIS and they gave it to me!!!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Just out of curiousity, when is the last time GW ever came out with something new and people said "that is exactly what we asked for?" Because as far as I can remember every release has had an undertone of having stuff no one asked for.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Just out of curiousity, when is the last time GW ever came out with something new and people said "that is exactly what we asked for?" Because as far as I can remember every release has had an undertone of having stuff no one asked for.

Touche.

squidhills wrote:

 UlrikDecado wrote:

Ignore amazing orders, tank warlord, flexible HQ boost like priests and cheap psykers (= really important stuff for actual play, like ton of rerolls, ignore cover, precision shot for blobs) was your intention? Because nit-picking you didnt want ogres with shields is, pretty much, missing what makes the codex really good.

Im not saying you should buy it, but maybe you just didnt understand it...

The orders we already have work well enough for my needs, I don't run armored companies (or have enough tanks to even try) my HQ is in the rear with the gear (apart from Al'Rahem and Mogul Kaimr... and Kamir can't get a priest or psyker anyway) so the things that make the codex really good in your eyes do pretty much nothing for me. Units and characters that I based my army around got removed (Penal Squads, Al'Rahem, Marbo, Mogul Kamir), and replaced with things that do not fit my army at all (Bullgryns, Taurox, and um... yeah. Oh, the Wyvern... that was the other one. Well, that one is kinda nice, I'll admit, but doesn't have a place in my army). While the codex may benefit you, it does very little to benefit me, and forces me to completely redesign my army from the ground up. You'll pardon me if I decide to think poorly of this codex, thank you.

Also, no matter how good they made psykers and priests, everyone has to admit that of the all-new units we got this codex (Bullgryn, Taurox and Wyvern) nobody asked for anything like them. At all. That the Wyvern is actually pretty sweet doesn't change the fact that GW gave us stuff nobody wanted, while completely ignoring things we did want (new plastic Catachans, or Tallarns, or Mordians, or Krieg, new Rough Riders, new SC models for older SCs, new elite slot units, etc). There was a satirical IG rumor thread a while back where a bunch of people posted the most insane new rules and units we could think of, and nobody came up with riot police Ogryns or a transport that was crappier than a Rhino, and we were trying to come up with crazy gak.

Yeah, yeah, you dont use orders, old were good (who cares the new one are 200% better) and nobody wanted new units. And we all wanted this and that. Dude, I didnt want plastic Catachans, Mordians etc. Dont speak for me - and honestly, you are not speaking for any IG player I know But yeah, I agree, if you are very niche player who plays Penal Legions with Marbo and Mogul Kamir, have no interest in orgers ignoring cover or making whole unit Precision shots and really need plastic models that have already models...in that case, this codex is big disappointment. I just fear, you are not majority, so none "we all wanted THIS"...well, I wanted new order, I wanted more flexible PCS, I wanted more freedom in forming my HQ

 kronk wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Just out of curiousity, when is the last time GW ever came out with something new and people said "that is exactly what we asked for?" Because as far as I can remember every release has had an undertone of having stuff no one asked for.

I asked for THIS and they gave it to me!!!

That was FW though.

Grrr...

FW = GW!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

squidhills wrote:


If you get the new codex, you won't be a guard player; you will be an Astra Militarum player. Your codex don't say "Imperial Guard" on the front, does it? Mine does, however...

Okay, I understand some people dislike the name change, but its no different than how Sisters of Battle have their 'codex' called Adepta Sororitas. Or how Space Marines is the common name for their true name; Adeptus Astartes.

They're still Imperial Guard. Astra Militarum is their high gothic name, or whatever.

No need to be overly dramatic about a name on a book.

Except that the Marines and the Sisters have always had a High Gothic name, since back in Rogue Trader. The IG hasn't. It's new, and not even in keeping with how GW has styled their other High Gothic names. "Astra Militarum" is crap. ADEPTUS Militarum would be better, and more in keeping with Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Minisotrum, etc.

God, I know right. I mean check out the obvious glaring differences in guard models versus astra models! Unbelievable. Just a complete shake up of the entire 40k universe, and even our own private lives. Gw why? (And end scene.)

He wasn't talking about the models or the army itself; only the name. You aren't helping Asta's case here.

I guess my subtle sarcasm (showing identical models and calling one guard and the other astra) to make the point harping on the assinitity of an extra name added to guard, was lost on some.

How is this, "A rose by any other name is still a rose!"

Imperial guard are astra militorum & astra militorum are imperial guard.

 UlrikDecado wrote:

Yeah, yeah, you dont use orders, old were good (who cares the new one are 200% better) and nobody wanted new units. And we all wanted this and that. Dude, I didnt want plastic Catachans, Mordians etc. Dont speak for me - and honestly, you are not speaking for any IG player I know But yeah, I agree, if you are very niche player who plays Penal Legions with Marbo and Mogul Kamir, have no interest in orgers ignoring cover or making whole unit Precision shots and really need plastic models that have already models...in that case, this codex is big disappointment. I just fear, you are not majority, so none "we all wanted THIS"...well, I wanted new order, I wanted more flexible PCS, I wanted more freedom in forming my HQ

I never said I don't use orders; I said i don't run armored companies (so Tank HQ does nothing for me). You may nothave wanted plastic catachans, but a lot of IG players (and others, too) have maintained that Catachans badly needed a re-sculpt. With the move away from metal minis, anyone who didn't want to play Cadians wanted to see plastic versions of the older IG armies (and plastic Krieg would be cheaper than FW, too so that got asked for a lot). I'm not pretending to speak for you, but I am speaking for every IG player that I personally know (except the guy who plays Tau Auxiliaries... he's just weird) and am echoing sentiments I've seen often enough on Dakka in the past. And it's great that you wanted new orders and more flexible PCS and freeform HQ, but I still haven't seen you say "I wanted a crappy transport and riot police Ogryns", which was my point. All of the focus on the new orders and priests and whatnot is great, but I don't see anybody who is really excited to see the new units (not new RULES) that we got. Remember the Valkyrie/Vendetta when it first landed? The response was "OMG we get a flyer and it is KEWL! The rules are great and it looks better than the flying land raider the SM got!" The Manticore? "Nine of these babies can table an opponent by turn 4!" The Executioner? "It's not FW anymore!!11!11!!"

This release? The response has been "Well, the Wyvern kills blobs super-dead, but don't we already have Manticores for that?" and "They nerfed the Chimera and made it cost more to sell a transport that is worse than a Chimera rules-wise and ugly, too" along with "Bullgryns? What?"

We not only weren't asking for these units, we aren't excited about them either (by and large... I have seen one or two people express an interest in Bullgryns, but nothing I would call real excitement for them).

Plastic Krieg means less details than resin Krieg, so no thanks

I wanted plastic ST, I got them and then some, personally I am quite happy.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Plastic Krieg means less details than resin Krieg, so no thanks

I wanted plastic ST, I got them and then some, personally I am quite happy.

Plastic Krieg would be less detailed, but they'd still be awesome and I could actually justify buying 100 of them instead of just a few squads.

I wanted plastic Krieg, all except the fact if GW made them, they'd have giant bobble heads. FW scale is much more appealing to me than GW's scale.

The new IG codex is the worst thing GW has ever done and I'm quitting 40k forever.