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Finally, Mr Smythe and the Flesh Golem! Added them and the plasma cannon grenadiers. Now my Temple platoon will be complete.

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Frostgrave

I like Mr Smythe, hopefully he'll be available on his own at some point.
   
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I'm starting to get worried that the funding seems to have stalled at £22.5k.
I have to agree that it wasn't a great idea not to offer a pledge level for mainly weird stuff. I pledges quite high but am wondering if I need more grunts any way & maybe lower my pledge for the book only & then get the add-ons I want (which, so far, is the German ray gun dudes).

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They've said in the comments section that they've heard us and are 'working on it' but yeah, troubling.

The problem here is, right now, this KS 'caters' to people who are already SoTR fans - and most likely already own 1, 2 or 3 armies.

And this includes all the starters on offer now.

Issues as I see them:

1) Not enough "Weird"
2) USMC and Japanese starters should have been available from the start (provided the funding goal was hit, obviously!)
3) No stretch goals revealed. No idea at what interval stretch goals will be paced.

I'm thinking that as metal models, the 'unlock' levels should be relatively small - around £1000 or £2000 each step?

KS seems to be all about 'momentum' these days (see Maelstrom's Edge and Zombicide Black Plague), and I'm concerned that momentum is not being gained or even sustained here - and it is a short campaign on top of all that!

   
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UK

I think you're underestimating the cost of getting the rule books done (especially if they are being done in Europe rather than 'gambling' on china without spare cash to go out and monitor it being done)

and the starters & zombies are not particularly expensive so may make up a decent chunck of the pledge total but not actually generate much capital to spare for new stuff

I agree that some indication of where the 'weird' might start would help,

along with a schedule of unlocks for the USMC & Japanese which as you say could be expected to be every 3
£1-2000

(on the other hand just getting the new books properly funded would be a win as that would let the start selling the game to new players again even if the have to fund the new factions more traditionally later

 
   
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Reading, Berks

They need to make it clearer that the starter sets listed are more like credit for £49 in the post-kickstarted store for longer term players. Not that there is much weird to buy anyway.

In fact everything needs to be clearer for this. It makes me a little sad how badly structured this one is... It should have been a quicker fund with a lot of much clearer detail about... Well, everything. For example, i shouldn't have to hunt through the comments and webshop to see what is in a rifle squad. Took me ages to work out that this didn't mean rifle carrying troops, just "some infantry".

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Looks like its going to be cancelled given the latest update.

Good afternoon everyone, and thanks for jumping onboard and supporting our Secrets of the Third Reich II project. We were off to a good start but as you know, over the last few days, things have been more or less at a standstill.

We always knew, to complete SoTRII it was going to be a costly exercise. We brought this project to Kickstarter in the hope at we would gain the support to be able to take the game where we wanted to take it, as financial backing for a small business such as West Wind is an absolute must to undertake a project the size of Secrets. All our finger have been well and truly crossed that enough backers would come in to make this possible.

So to conclude, it greatly pains us to say that we have reached the following decision. After long consideration, number crunching to try to make this fit, plus a great deal of soul searching, it is with great regret that we have no alternative but to cancel the project. We have over the last few days looked at all the options to try to work around this to make it financially viable, and please believe us, this is not a decision that we have taken lightly. This is purely a financial business decision that we have had to take. We are very very sorry.

We will not be able to take the project to Kickstarter again in a different format, however, we will be looking at other avenues as a possible way forward outside of Kickstarter, together with John Bailey and Ian Hill.

We know you are going to be disappointed that we are not able to take this project any further here, we too are very disappointed, and we thank you all very much indeed for your commitment and support of ourselves and the project since launch.

With very best regards,

Andy & Wendy Cooper, West Wind Productions



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NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess they'll go the "Nickstarter" route instead?

This is MASSIVELY disappointing.

I've been waiting YEARS for this update to second edition...

Ugh.

   
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Reading, Berks

It feels slightly premature to cancel it after only 6 days when all they needed was clearer details on the campaign page and better advertising :(

I was looking forward to this one too

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

For them to pull the plug so soon it probably means the 'funding goal' was actually well below what they actually needed to get to pay for what they'd promised

so it would have been a company killing disaster to only just fund (which is, of course, the disadvantage in low balling your goal)


 
   
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A sad day for all weird world war 2 players.

We still have the V1 which remains a solid ruleset. Maybe worse moving it to Wargamevault.

What I think went wrong:
I think they failed to get new players, and the goal and stretch were unclear.
Old players new what to expect, but new players....

Also, they should have gone full weird, agreed with Grindhouse for their plastic army (how cheap could have been a APE platoon or drop troopers? :( currently a APE platoon, 10 mini is at least US$ 125).

Still, I expected them to get the 30k by this week and enjoy the ride to get the USMC and Japanese.

Side note:
Their previous kickstarters were better marketed with free rules (PDF), and focus on mini, funded within a day. They started to stall and losing some backers / gaining some.

Finally, kickstarting the same period as Zombicide was a bad timing (seems to be kickstarter responsibility) as Zombicide stole the spotlight.
   
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Cross posting from the West Wind Forums:

Alpharius wrote:Words cannot express how disappointed I am right now.

Cancelling MIGHT have been the right decision - IF they were coming back with a re-designed campaign that made a lot more sense.

You know, more Weird WWII stuff available right away, clear stretch goals and amounts listed right away...

No one knew at what level the USMC and Japanese forces were going to unlock at!

I really, really, REALLY hope this doesn't mean SoTR II will not be happening.

I also hope that this doesn't mean SoTR II is now that much further away from a release, but I guess I can't see how that's not the case.

This is bad news indeed...


I've long since grow disillusioned with GW and 40K.

SoTR was going to be my 'main game' going forward.

I guess I'll still soldier on with 1st Edition rules...

   
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The timing on when they started as well as well as length was not the best. There were probably quite a few people in the UK (as well as US and rest of EU) that had this starred waiting for Incursion to arrive first.

Whether fair or not, the loose association probably sidelined quite a few people who would have been in if this kicked off in the July/August timeframe.
   
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That's a GOOD point too - if this had started AFTER Incursion arrived, then GRINDHOUSE could have also sent out a KS Update pimping SoTRII.

AS it is...

Ugh.

So depressing.

   
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 endtransmission wrote:
It feels slightly premature to cancel it after only 6 days when all they needed was clearer details on the campaign page and better advertising :(

I was looking forward to this one too

I have to agree. Not sure what the point of cancelling the KS before it ended was? Sure, it was looking like they might not make their target funding, but many KS have large surges of funding in the last few days.

I do have to agree that the KS could have been structured better, focusing more on weird and new figures, rather than starting out with the generic American, British, German and Russian rifle squads which were already available and most existing players already had. Even at this late date, some restucturing of the KS, rather than concelling it, might have reignited the funding. Its cancelled now, though, so all we can do is hope they find some other way to fund SOTR2, either a revised KS or some other other process.

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Reading, Berks

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
For them to pull the plug so soon it probably means the 'funding goal' was actually well below what they actually needed to get to pay for what they'd promised

so it would have been a company killing disaster to only just fund (which is, of course, the disadvantage in low balling your goal)



I suspect you're right as they were planning on redoing all of the moulds needed for the infantry as well as the books and new models

   
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I think West Wind expected this to really take off - and as noted above - the real cost of getting the books printed was more than the 'funding goal' was set at.

If they were afraid that this one was 'only' going to overfund by (X), then they could have been in a deficit situation.

At the end of the day, to steal a phrase, I am absolutely gutted by this one cancelling.

   
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Reading, Berks

 mdauben wrote:
 endtransmission wrote:
It feels slightly premature to cancel it after only 6 days when all they needed was clearer details on the campaign page and better advertising :(
I was looking forward to this one too


Its cancelled now, though, so all we can do is hope they find some other way to fund SOTR2, either a revised KS or some other other process.


They said in their update that it wouldn't be coming back to KS, which is disappointing. I wonder how many people would have backed at £15 or £20 for pdf versions of the updated rules with nothing else? it certainly would have cur out the printing and postage costs

   
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A lot, I'd wager!

   
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UK

Do you know who actually owns the IP ?

(pure speculation on my part:

since westwind and grindhouse are listed as publishers on the original could it be that it's a co-owned property that westwind was going to be taking on solo

and so having to pay royalties to grindhouse on their share ?

that could be another reason they needed to see more excitement and backer for the new edition)


 
   
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California the Southern

I don't get why they wouldn't want to try using KS again though.

A more clear understanding of goals, a longer campaign, a better mixture of normal and weird in the starters, cheap PDFs (or even free) for the rules rather than physical books for the time being...

Unless there was more happening behind the scenes none of us are naturally aware of, I feel like they pulled the plug a big too early.

A shame. I hadn't pledged yet, but had been following this thread and the KS page quite regularly in the hopes they finally had that deal I just couldn't miss out on.

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Reading, Berks

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Do you know who actually owns the IP ?
(pure speculation on my part:
since westwind and grindhouse are listed as publishers on the original could it be that it's a co-owned property that westwind was going to be taking on solo
and so having to pay royalties to grindhouse on their share ?


Nahh Grindhouse were involved in the whole thing from the start. I believe they write the rules/background and Westwind does the artwork, layout, models and publishing (I think...)

   
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UK

Ah well that scuppers that idea then

 
   
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I don't think there was any Grindhouse/West Wind conflict here...

Though at this point, who knows for sure?

   
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UK

I want to make clear I wasn't suggesting a conflict (there's certainly no sign of one),

just wondering if they co-owned the game but since Grindhouse was busy re-booting incursion Westwind might have been flying solo on this one (and so paying to use Grindhouses 'share' of the property)

 
   
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Really disappointing that this KS didn't complete.

Hopefully they have done most of the work towards second edition, as well as the new factions, and can get them up on pre-order soon..

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I think another problem with the KS is the lack of incentive with freebies. These days KS seem to give out a lot of free stuff. The successful ones, Zombiecide, Sedition Wars, etc. had a bunch of extras. The stretch goals were pretty bland. Overall I am sad this didn't take off. I own 2 complete armies for SOTR and I think it's a fantastic game with a great background.
   
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There was a potential for a lot of free figures - I think.

The whole Lost Company looked to be stretch goals.

But, I'm not sure if they were to be free?

Still seriously sad at this one getting cancelled...

   
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Rhode Island

Me too brother. Me too.

 
   
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Completely boring starters. Hey, a unique weird war game, now here's your generic soldiers.
   
 
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