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And maybe I’m reading too much into what might be a throwaway statement in a designer notes section about a throwaway Codex?

Honestly I've doubted that GeeDub would want to have another set of armies that can operate under the "ally system" that the INQ books currently enjoy. In their quest to chainsaw off confusing options, I would think the 2 INQ codex are just teetering on the edge of being gutted asap. The whole ally thing has never been clear to me - can you take DH & WH allies in the same army?? - and I really don't see the GW DTeam (D for Devastation) wanting to open up another can of problems (read: options) by doing the same with chaos books.



That said, I will still pray for my demonettes to get their teeth back.

- Salvage

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That's not really appropriate for Dakka....


Oh, TEETH.  My mistake.  Carry on.

Wow, I'm surprised.  I'd assumed the designer notes would have simply consisted of smeared tomato sauce and "GAV HUNGRY!!!" scrawled in crayon.

Posted By The Power Cosmic on 08/16/2007 12:42 PM
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That's not really appropriate for Dakka....


Oh, TEETH.  My mistake.  Carry on.

Just don't ask where they keep them...

Posted By Abadabadoobaddon on 08/16/2007 12:43 PM
Wow, I'm surprised.  I'd assumed the designer notes would have simply consisted of smeared tomato sauce and "GAV HUNGRY!!!" scrawled in crayon.

You didn't really think that they'd miss out on an opportunity to throw out their collective shoulders patting themselves on the back, did you?

It was a bit tough to read though...

Posted By Abadabadoobaddon on 08/16/2007 12:47 PM

Posted By The Power Cosmic on 08/16/2007 12:42 PM
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That's not really appropriate for Dakka....


Oh, TEETH.  My mistake.  Carry on.

Just don't ask where they keep them...

A little Snowcrash anyone?

If I could write the design notes it would read something like:

Codex Chaos Space Marines Design Notes:

*SPITS ON PAGE*


the End.

The exact quote in question:

"That's not to say Chaos-power-specific Daemonic troops have gone away; far from it - a Codex especially for Daemons is already in development. To include all twenty or so Daemonic troop types would have required loads for space in a Codex that is already 104 pages in length," explains Gav. "This way we get the best of both worlds, the Chaos Space Marines list remains focussed on them, while the Daemons will get their own army."

Now the emphasis is mine, but, there it is.

Also, they probably could have left some of  the color pages (would anyone have missed The Betrayers of Pain, The Purge, Hakanor's Reavers or The Nightkillers?) and expanded on the rules a little bit?

Oh well...

White Dwarf is often used a vessel for GW designers to spout how wonderful and sagelike they are. I suppose some of the younger readers believe them and buy the new improved Codices. But then, how many adult players actually buy White Dwaf regularly.

Thanks for the reviews and warnings now I can save a few Dinero's and get a combo meal instead of self gratifiying toilet tissue.

The 'we' being GW, which gets to sell one codex for the price of two.

I mean seriously, it would have taken at most one page to add actual daemons to the dex. Take away two of those half page scribbles of idiotic renegades and you'd have enough room. Instead we get a future daemon codex that wipes its butt with the previous fluff and at the same time screws over anyone who likes to play with both daemons and chaos space marines.

but i am sure the new demon codex will have alot more than just 2 pages worth of demons in it. We will probably see a whole new variety along side the existing demons in the b=new de and maybe the return of older units like bloodletters mounted on juggernaughts

I would HOPE that the upcoming CODEX: DAEMONS would be something CLOSE to what we used to have in the LaTD list.

Recent Codex releases make me doubtful that this will be the case though.

I’m really tired of all the wine and cheese I hear on this web site. All I hear is “My army is ruined; I’ll never play them again. Tomorrow there going on eBay.” When you and I and everyone known’s that we are still going to buy the books and the figures. So what are they really complaining about? Not the changes, the fact that they have to buy a new book to get them.

Posted By gpoint on 08/16/2007 4:26 PM

I’m really tired of all the wine and cheese I hear on this web site. All I hear is “My army is ruined; I’ll never play them again. Tomorrow there going on eBay.” When you and I and everyone known’s that we are still going to buy the books and the figures. So what are they really complaining about? Not the changes, the fact that they have to buy a new book to get them.

Aside from the updated WFB rules, I havent bought anything in 3 years.

I am, they just won't be GW's books and figures. They'll be PP's Hordes: Evolution and some new Circle goodness. Also, if you're tired of all the complaints, then don't read em. Dunno why you'd subject yourself to something that irritates you so much. Oh yeah, you play GW games, you must thrive on being irritated


I hope so. I truly do. Even so, if the daemon are standalone like the WHFB daemon legion then the daemon codex will be a huge failure in my opinion. However, if they expand the daemons and include the mortals to bring then into the material world (or allow csms to do so)then I'll gladly purchase that dex and start a new army. Unfortunately that doesn't appear to be the case based on early rumors and dev comments.

@ Razor gator not that it should matter to you or other people who feel let down as you have not bought anyhing from GW for the last 3 years. You dont matter to them.

@gpoint, dont waste your time trying to tell people not to whine about GW, I have been trying that for over a year and it still does not work. Just rememebr most of the people thats complain dont even buy any GW stuff anymore and hardly play 40K anymore.

They have discovered a new game where they just complain about how crap GW is even thiough they no longer play it or collect stuff from it

I probably shouldn't let you in on this, but Whine@GW has a really robust following.  I haven't wanted to play anything else in at least a couple years.  The rules are tight and easy to learn, yet all the options fit the fluff and make it fun to play your army.  They never make anything obsolete, either.

And the tourney scene, wow.  They're really well run and give you a completely different style of play from just normal gaming group stuff.  I can't think of any serious problems with the nearly 100 tournaments I've been in.

Oh, I didn't mention the models.  Sweet stuff and really reasonable priced.  They have never had a price increase even though they are constantly refining their production methods.  They're a breeze to paint and always get amazing receptions from people who have never seen tabletop gaming before.

I've probably said too much, but you should really check it out!

he is being sarcastic just in case somebody thinks he is serious/. there is always one.

Honestly I don't even know why I play/obsess over 40k anymore.

Besides the fact it is FUN AS HELL.

One?  There's a whole board of us!

Honestly, this is the first thing I've seriously complained about that GW has done.  I've grumbled, always hoping that they could turn in around, but I'm now convinced the ship is going down.  If only the sculptors could be saved and moved to a company with great rules development, then we'll all be fine.  Not that Privateer need better sculptors, but more is always good.

Like there iare better gamesthen 40K out there? And if there are why are people still complainig about GW when they could be playing those games? And if they are aleady playing the why waste time complaing about GW? Makes no sence to me.

Warmachine is a better game.  Hordes is a better game.

I complain about GW because I came up on it.  It was my first game and I still love the fluff and most models are outstanding.  There's just no use for them because the rules for 40k suck right now.

See, "right now."  I'm still hoping that they'll right this ship even though I see no change in course in the near future.

I haven't played in two years and I don't need to.  I just have all my old models staring at me from my shelves with their bambi eyes looking all sad, whimpering, "what did we do to make you hate us?"

if you loved them you would play with them still, lol

Soon.  I've got a little project I'm working on for New Dakka.

I heard that a chaod demons book was coming around about a month ago. Don't remember where but it was a high up source. The real question is whether it will be a standalone book or a white dwarf codex that just fleshes out all the demons and provides for a standalone army.

Maybe I wasn't as angry about the loss of the demons in C:CSM because I already knew about the demon one. I figured the news had floated around this site already.

I think they were trying to avoid the abomination of a codex they had last time by seperating chaos and demons into two compatible but seperate armies. If it comes out in a timely manner (only really possible if it comes in a white dwarf) I won't really mind.

 

WARMACHINE and HORDES are the same game with different focus systems.  So its not really fair to call them both better.  Also as someone who has played both warmachine and 40k extensively I don't think either one is better. Hell Warhammer fantasy is 10 times the game that warmachine hordes and 40k are combined.  Why doesn't everyone flock to playing it?  People complain because 40k is cooler.  To this day no other game has the depth of history, the background, or the sheer variety 40k has (other than fantasy but its fluff is pretty generic fantasy fair and isn't nearly as epic in scope).  People complain because they wan't 40k to be the best like it deserves to be.

Posted By ShumaGorath on 08/16/2007 7:08 PM

WARMACHINE and HORDES are the same game with different focus systems.

40k and Fantasy are the same game with different movement and magic/psyker rules.

Posted By ShumaGorath on 08/16/2007 7:08 PM

Hell Warhammer fantasy is 10 times the game that warmachine hordes and 40k are combined.

What makes you say this, exactly?  I've never played Fantasy, but would be interested to know.

Why are you still here then? Dakka is famous, or infamous, for being critical of GW, and not buying much of their load of crap.

I havent bought anything in a year that wasnt from B-town or ebay. I havent PLAYED since April.

Maybe this isnt the place for you son. Perhaps Warseer is more your cup of tea.