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As an INFINITY fan, I'm happy with taller walls that can completely block LOS!

Now it they only looked more hi-tech/SF...

 Alpharius wrote:
As an INFINITY fan, I'm happy with taller walls that can completely block LOS!

Now it they only looked more hi-tech/SF...

IMO, the streets tiles and wall mixed with some Warsenal buildings would be excellent for Infinity.

There is a set for each theme -- so Infinity players can use the Urban walls on the Urban tiles, with some Urban bases. BAM!

There will also be smaller walls, and scatter terrain down the road -- but only as I can get to it, or find the right sculptors.

 Alpharius wrote:
As an INFINITY fan, I'm happy with taller walls that can completely block LOS!

Now it they only looked more hi-tech/SF...

Deadzone's supplying that stuff.

Update #129

Jul 29 2014
The packing has begun!
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First they received the boxes....


And then they received the stickers...


And then they tested the labeling process....


And now they're packing the tiles into boxes for shipment!


Progress is being made, tiles are being packed, and WGF should have an updated estimate for me soon on when these will make it onto a ship. It's going to be glorious!

And here's a shot of the mold tooling that the campaign paid for -- because it's pretty awesome seeing 58 separate tools -- and check out how big these things are!


Of course there's also the giant pile of tiles that we're going to have to make room for....


Crazy madness, that's what this is going to be.

Thank you for being a part of it.

Soon.... So soon.....

That is the kind of update I've been waiting for . Looking great at long last!

Looking forward to closing this one out. Still leaves me with five others in a "pending" status.

Only 5?

You've been wiser with Kickstarter than I have!

Of the 6 KS's I've backed, I've got 2, 2 are past their due by date and 2 aren't due yet.

I'm doing pretty well I think.

This is the only one that is still waiting to close out for me. I have been "grounded" by the wife from anymore right now.

Yay!

Update #130

Aug 9 2014
Packing Continues
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The team at Wargames Factory busy packing boxes, and preparing pallets. There's no word yet on when the boxes will be on the ship, but they're packing every day and working as quickly as they can.

I will, of course, get everyone another update as soon as I have one.

In the interim, if you're going to be at GenCon next week stop by and say hi! I'll be out with The War Store this year at booth 1729. I won't have any of the tiles on display, but I will be there with a massive inventory of the other Secret Weapon products, and three of our Iron Box Games titles will be running demos.

Gotta say, those are nice boxes.

Looks like this one is now at "hopefully before Christmas" status again, since packing was supposed to be done with over a week ago and is now "packing continues, no word on a ship". Along with the tiles that were supposed to have been shipped to Mantic months ago not having been shipped out from WGF yet.

mmm... WGF: Don't believe anything they tell you.

Shouldn't be too much longer. I'd guess backers should start seeing their boards come late October or November.

Unless the boat sinks.

No unless, its WHEN the boat sinks.

 Azazelx wrote:
Looks like this one is now at "hopefully before Christmas" status again, since packing was supposed to be done with over a week ago and is now "packing continues, no word on a ship". Along with the tiles that were supposed to have been shipped to Mantic months ago not having been shipped out from WGF yet.

mmm... WGF: Don't believe anything they tell you.

Feels more like WGF has a hard time predicting bottlenecks in their production lines. This leading to delays.

This is starting to feel like a historical problem for them.

It's starting to feel like a historical problem for us as well. Counted in years of delays across their projects.

Agreed. While Mr. Justin has been very upfront and open about the delays and problems, this ended my participation in Kickstarters entirely. I will not do another one.

I figure, I got onto this one with a great guy from a great company who was open, honest, upfront, and totally above board, and it still looks like it will ship roughly a year late. How bad would it be if I backed someone a little less awesome? I'd be totally screwed!

I think that is a bit extreme to be honest. I've backed 8 KS or so and all of them have shipped late. I'm only waiting on two at this point, Wrath of Kings and this one. SW is the worst case I've experienced. Just do your research before pledging the money, and never give more than your willing to lose. It is a calculated risk, but I've done so because I wanted to see those products brought to market. I think we can all agree that the next Secret Weapons Kickstarter will be much smoother.

So whats the hopeful ETA now?

Anyone's guess at this point. I'm not really expecting before October.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Just do your research before pledging the money, and never give more than your willing to lose. It is a calculated risk, but I've done so because I wanted to see those products brought to market. I think we can all agree that the next Secret Weapons Kickstarter will be much smoother.

I think everyone hopes the next one will be smoother, but I haven't seen anything that would convince me that will be the case. Also, the advice of "research before you pledge" is reasonable, but in the case of SWM, most of the research a potential new backer would perform would lead them to the problems experienced in this Kickstarter. I think SWM would need to conduct a second tile KS, that delivered with minimal issues/delays, before SWM can assure future backers that they have the design and manufacturing process under control.

Remember, this KS was supposedly well researched on SWM's part with the logistical issues worked out and we still got the situation we are currently dealing with, so the onus of proving their competency is on SWM and this campaign didn't provide me with much confidence in their ability to handle a project of this complexity.

I understand that SWM and WGF learned a lot from this experience and great for them, but it was at the expense of customer goodwill. Those two companies would have to show me that they have really changed before I handed them one more penny in financial support. And personally, any campaign with WGF as a manufacturer is pretty much beyond consideration because of their back log of work and general handling of this and other super-delayed campaigns. WGF produces great products, but their eagerness to accept contracts seems to have outpaced their ability to deliver on those contracts. When that changes perhaps my opinion on supporting them will change as well.

I have a feeling that this will be one of those KS where the end-product is so good, all other sins will be forgiven. I backed this KS and have been kinda annoyed but i have to say... a KS that delivers on time but lacks quality leaves me feeling worse than a KS which is late but the end product is awesome. Of all my KS I have backed, as much as I am cranky waiting for my product, in the end, it really boils down to quality. Those with quality get my repeat business. Being on tome means nothing if your product is crap.

I have heard really good things about quality for those who have seen these first hand. So I am gonna bottle up my anger until a magic delivery appears on my door step.

Am I the only person who is still happy about this thing? I'm getting a great 4x8 board for a VERY reasonable price. Did it take a lot longer than intended? Sure. But I'd rather all these kinks get worked out than have a company issue a refund or put out a subpar product.

I'd be more upset if say Justin wasn't in the hole for a large amount of his own money, but that is not the case.

I'd glady wait another 6 months if I had to in order to get this product and have it on the market for others. Although that may be simply because this is the first major product to compete with GW's overpriced nonsense, which factored in to me backing it.

 Aerethan wrote:
Am I the only person who is still happy about this thing?

Not speaking for others, but my enthusiasm for these boards is dead. I want what I paid for, but having the campaign finish is really the only thing engaging me at this point.

I am sure I will enjoy the boards once I have them, but with the Table War mats released earlier this year, and the Hive City board GW just released (I know I am in the minority of people who like that thing), there are other options available that make these boards less desirable. And I now associate these boards with the drama and BS of the KS campaign, so a fun, interesting product is now associated with the negativity of the last 8 months.

If I had a functional time machine I'd stick the $250 I pledged for my SWM urban boards under a rock and use it to buy some Hive City boards today. But the Delorean has a flat, so I guess I'm stuck with these boards.

 Aerethan wrote:
Am I the only person who is still happy about this thing? I'm getting a great 4x8 board for a VERY reasonable price. Did it take a lot longer than intended? Sure. But I'd rather all these kinks get worked out than have a company issue a refund or put out a subpar product.

I'd be more upset if say Justin wasn't in the hole for a large amount of his own money, but that is not the case.

I'd glady wait another 6 months if I had to in order to get this product and have it on the market for others. Although that may be simply because this is the first major product to compete with GW's overpriced nonsense, which factored in to me backing it.

I agree, the sheer negativity is rather surprising. It might be because I'm getting the temple board, which was always going to be last, but it doesn't seem that late.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
Am I the only person who is still happy about this thing? I'm getting a great 4x8 board for a VERY reasonable price. Did it take a lot longer than intended? Sure. But I'd rather all these kinks get worked out than have a company issue a refund or put out a subpar product.

I'd be more upset if say Justin wasn't in the hole for a large amount of his own money, but that is not the case.

I'd glady wait another 6 months if I had to in order to get this product and have it on the market for others. Although that may be simply because this is the first major product to compete with GW's overpriced nonsense, which factored in to me backing it.

I agree, the sheer negativity is rather surprising. It might be because I'm getting the temple board, which was always going to be last, but it doesn't seem that late.

Nope. I'm still happy and ok with the delays. I expect them with kickstarter projects.

I have been buying bases from SWM for years and Mr Justins stuff has always been fantastic. I imagine the boards will be no different.

I just wish I'd had the money to get a full set instead of just the display tiles at the time.

As to the negativity its understandable. People are excited about a product and want it NOW NOW NOW. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't produce anything useful, just stress....

 Aerethan wrote:
Am I the only person who is still happy about this thing?

I am. I'm still looking forward to getting mine.

I'm looking forward to getting mine, but definitely not happy either.

A year late and a series of shrugs, "DOH!s, and "oh well" don't keep me happy.

Yeah, I don't think anyone is really happy about the delays. But what else are you going to do?
It was a brand new venture for Justin and the community as a whole. It's not like this has been done before*. Who could have predicted the things that would go wrong?

And how many of the delays were actually Justins fault? And what else is he going to do about delays out of his control? Beg forgiveness and offer 10% discounts? I think not.
All he can do is shrug and say "oh well" about the things he has no control over.

What would you do/have done in his situation?





*Yes GW made a plastic injection moulded board. But we all know they aren't going to be giving advice on these things to direct competition.