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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hey, thats cheap for a LoW. Haha

Nevermind, $85.

Also, what happens if you just shoot the wolves?

 TheKbob wrote:
It's SO STUPID.

(Proceed to have 8 pages of people being insulted that I called them stupid because they like a model that is absolutely asinine.)

OK, for the last time;

"I think it's stupid" is an opinion, to which everyone is perfectly entitled.

"This was obviously designed for stupid people" is still an opinion, but also by implication an insult since if you think a thing is designed for stupid people, necessarily you think people who like it are stupid.

It's an elementary logical progression, not rocket science; you can dress it up with allusions to "LCD" or whatever you like, but that's what it boils down to.

 Yodhrin wrote:

OK, for the last time;

"I think it's stupid" is an opinion, to which everyone is perfectly entitled.

"This was obviously designed for stupid people" is still an opinion, but also by implication an insult since if you think a thing is designed for stupid people, necessarily you think people who like it are stupid.

It's an elementary logical progression, not rocket science; you can dress it up with allusions to "LCD" or whatever you like, but that's what it boils down to.

Well to be honest, this one is totally placating to children.

But then that'd mean I'd be calling anyone who liked it babies! Someone needs to stop being concerned that what they like defines them. You know, the healthy and responsible thing to do.

Go be cranky elsewhere. The new Wolves are silly with their McMurderfaces and Mini-Longboat Rocket Sleds pulled by Wolves (just shoot them and...?).

 TheKbob wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hey, thats cheap for a LoW. Haha

Nevermind, $85.

Also, what happens if you just shoot the wolves?

If you're looking for RAW, "In addition to the rider, some Chariots have crew or are pulled into battle by beasts. Any crew or beasts that pull a Chariot are ignored and can never be targeted separately from the vehicle. Furthermore a Chariot's crew or beasts cannot attack unless otherwise stated in the Chariot's profile or special rules" Page 87, Crew & Beasts.

 WallaceMerrett wrote:


If you're looking for RAW, "In addition to the rider, some Chariots have crew or are pulled into battle by beasts. Any crew or beasts that pull a Chariot are ignored and can never be targeted separately from the vehicle. Furthermore a Chariot's crew or beasts cannot attack unless otherwise stated in the Chariot's profile or special rules" Page 87, Crew & Beasts.

That certainly allows the narrative to be forged for them to exist, I suppose. Still kind of silly in game or reality context, though.

If it's a rocket sled and I shoot the wolves, then what? He hops off, I guess? Or are the wolves just ornamental? It makes little sense. And completely feels out of place with the Grimdark tone and more into silliness of old. Which tickles my fancy to an extent, to be honest. But it's just so dumb!

From therumoured rules, the chariot has a force field, which would presumably protect the wolves as well, fluff-wise.

Plastic Great Wolf is EXCITING and looks great from what I can see, dog sleds in the 41st millennium? not so much

 Paradigm wrote:
From therumoured rules, the chariot has a force field, which would presumably protect the wolves as well, fluff-wise.

Fluff-wise, you've got a floating chariot that for some reason still needs to be pulled by mammals- I think you can pretty much go anywhere from there and it won't eclipse the original premise

Ugh.... i don't like the new chariot at all. Paint it red and call him Santa.

Ghazghkull is probably a bit upset right now.

Fluff-wise, you've got a floating chariot that for some reason still needs to be pulled by mammals- I think you can pretty much go anywhere from there and it won't eclipse the original premise

It's only an assumption that the wolves are actually needed to pull it... It's entirely possible that the chariot can move under its own power, and the wolves are just for theatrics.

I do like the new Logan Model, but I first wonder if you can buy it without the chariot (I'm in the "doubt it" camp). Second, if he's a LoW, will he actually get a rules update to make him that beefy or another Ghaz incident?

Insaniak, I like it

 insaniak wrote:

It's only an assumption that the wolves are actually needed to pull it... It's entirely possible that the chariot can move under its own power, and the wolves are just for theatrics.

If that's the case, wouldn't that be like wearing your mess dress to combat? Like if he's gotta make an entrance to a planet and let the ruler in charge know who's boss, you wheel out the TugBarge. Otherwise, why in combat? All I see is him flying high and having two angry wolves dangling and being generally frustrated about the situation.

Model looks cool, Think im going to try to find a way to put the logan model on a big bionic polar bear, use it as counts chariot...

I hate it. But I'll paint it up and chunk it on eBay fo show

I think both Murderfang and the wolf sled are bloody stupid, but in hilariously over-the-top way, so I actually approve.

Grarg wrote:
Ugh.... i don't like the new chariot at all. Paint it red and call him Santa.

I would also be disappointed to not see this paint/modeling idea as well

Doesn't this make Logan the third plastic Special Character in 40k? After the Swarmlord and Bjorn? And 4th after Karl Franz in Fantasy?

 TheKbob wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hey, thats cheap for a LoW. Haha

Nevermind, $85.

Also, what happens if you just shoot the wolves?

GW doesnt charge 85$

It'll be 81$ silly.

In my opinion, that sled looks absolutely ridiculous! Lol.

I kinda want to buy 3 just for kit bashing and fun. 1 Would be the obvious Santa Claus. 1 would be looted, pulled by squigs, and have Kaptin Badrukk on it. The 3rd I would clip the little tail on the bottom and put a big coil spring there so it looks like one of those little kiddy rides you see at a playground hahahahaha!

Wolfguard Edition no longer available in Germany

 insaniak wrote:

 pretre wrote:

I think it'll be easy enough to put any manner of different beast in the front...

Well, yeah... If I were building one for my own Wolf army, it would obviously have a pair of these in front instead...

Spoiler:

What are those, who makes them, and where can I order a few?

Also: pre-orders up, decided to go all in and order the Wolf Guard edition + data cards. Happy Birthday to me from myself.


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 TheKbob wrote:
I do like the new Logan Model, but I first wonder if you can buy it without the chariot (I'm in the "doubt it" camp). Second, if he's a LoW, will he actually get a rules update to make him that beefy or another Ghaz incident?

This is almost certainly the case, except Logan will still have an invulnerable save.

Ragnar69 wrote:
Wolfguard Edition no longer available in Germany

No longer available in the UK either, GW's coffers are already full from preselling their tootcrates

A fool and his money....

Im surprised it sold out, But now I'm thinking of how many stores an resellers bought it. not actual customers yet.

edit---
Part of me wants the wolfguard edition, but I just can't justify it at the 250$ level. Maybe I would at 150$, I wouldn't bat an eye.


double edit:

I can now complete my bjorn once I get the dreadnaught pack, my awesome sculpted bjorn. all will weep!

Triszin wrote:
Im surprised it sold out, But now I'm thinking of how many stores an resellers bought it. not actual customers yet.

True, I've effectively doubled my Wolf Guard Terminator force with a Stormclaw of my own and half price eBay pack splitting all over the joint, covered of course by selling the Orks.

If I could ask GW one question it would be the COGs, margins and profit on that Stormclaw set, because although it probably has severe short term impact on those kits included, the stock is beginning to flush through eBay now so I should think by 3 months only a handful of listings will remain. Keep rotating the armies and include both core, (to bolster any forces and make attractive pack splits), and less prominent, (to help clear up any concerns on overstocks), units and I believe as a Salesman that they can't be doing themselves any long term damage here.

Would not be at all surprised to see these bridge the gap for all future releases, (as obviously already hypothesised by all), if the numbers are there on the back end.

The gubbins in the Wolf Guard and Long Fang Editions are just not for me. Now if they offered an exclusive model or a hard bundle deal for the Codex launch that would be attractive, make the Codex release a perfect time to bolster/begin a new army. Imagine, if only at launch you could get the Space Wolves Battleforce (£75) and the Hardback Codex (£30) for say, £80 all in.

On that note the Space Wolves Battleforce is currently delisted, but is this old news? The Space Marines one has long been replaced by the Strike Force so the term Battleforce is being replaced with bespoke packs? Only Tau, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Chaos Daemons, Necron and Dark Angels remain listed as technical Battleforces... new Space Wolves equivalent for under £100?

Looks like the new Dreadnought kit is sold out.

Grarg wrote:
Ugh.... i don't like the new chariot at all. Paint it red and call him Santa.

Now all I need is a Necron on his Chariot and a Tie Fighter and I can pull off Quanza Bot and Hanukah-Zombie

Dashing through the snow
On a two wolf open sleigh
O'er the trenches we go
Howling all the way
*howling*
Engines on chainswords rev
Making Xeno blood fly,
Oh what fun it is to slay and purge
On a wolf pulled sleigh tonight!

My theory on the chariot is that the wolves aren't so much pulling it as they are being used as attack wolves. That's why they have the collar around the middle. The sled can move under its own power and the wolves are just brought in to bite stuff but that's just my theory.

I dont play wolves.....But I want to take a 6 chariot army(I have the vypers) and go from there.