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Nostromodamus wrote:
 Dryaktylus wrote:
Viewing just the text the Grand Convocation looks like a steal - but I somehow doubt we'll get three Ironstrider Ballistarii and 3 Kataphron Destroyers and 3 Kataphron Breachers... I guess the picture shows the real content.


Why not? That's a HUGE bundle. 3 Ballistarii and 6 Kataphrons don't make up much of it.


Two additional Ironstriders and an additional box of Kataphrons are 122€ - the bundle is 370€ with the limited Abaddon art and the cards. It's not that bad (for GW at least).

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Seems fairly clear.


Seems clearly fair.

So I doubt it.

Edit: did the math with the Hounds of Abaddon - there's no saving at all (in fact you pay one € more...).

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 Nostromodamus wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:

Be careful what you wish for.

Spoiler:


A successful product that many people enjoy despite what the internet would have you believe?


All evidence points the other way actually, its WAS an unsuccessful product that was floundering due to bad marketing, poor rules and probably the worst reception ive ever seen for a GW game, bar dreadfleet, it has, in the last year, turned around massively, the models are finally catching peoples attention, the generals handbook has also go people to actually play it.

The biggest factor for turn around Is the starter boxes, and now the re release of island of blood will only increase this.

   
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Spoiler:
If you read the fluff the sisters have one job, to die so someone else can save the day. They are the most heavily armed and armored females in most of Sci-Fantasy yet they are also some of the most helpless (unless they are the protagonists all the attention is focused on; See books by James Swallow).

No, this isn't a rant, it's an informed opinion based on 8 years of observation.

Celestine not dying is literally impossible, it's her job to "sacrifice" herself for one reason or another. GWs view on the sisters is that they are there to be killed, either as a plot device or to show how special they are. You know, martyrdom and all that.

No person who knows anything about sisters fluff would/should be surprised if Celestine dies permanently and is unable to resurrect. This is the way sisters have always been presented, they die so someone else can do something. Sometimes they die willingly, most of the time they get slaughtered be it by Xenos, Heretics or/for Loyalists.

Celestine will die, this is guaranteed (anyone willing to take a £100 bet on me being wrong?). The only question is how permanent her death is. Knowing GW and their previous presentation of the sisters it will be permanent but with the tagline: "She honorably sacrificed herself so the rest of you can live" which translates to "She got female dog slapped to death so a random no name SM could kill/twart the BBEG".

I consider myself an expert on all things sisters and like 40 pages back I predicted she will die because that's the only obvious outcome due to the way GW treats the sisters

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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
Celestine will die, this is guaranteed (anyone willing to take a £100 bet on me being wrong?). The only question is how permanent her death is. Knowing GW and their previous presentation of the sisters it will be permanent but with the tagline: "She honorably sacrificed herself so the rest of you can live" which translates to "She got female dog slapped to death so a random no name SM could kill/twart the BBEG".

I consider myself an expert on all things sisters and like 40 pages back I predicted she will die because that's the only obvious outcome due to the way GW treats the sisters

Spoiler:
No one is going to take this bet since it has already been confirmed.

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 Formosa wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:

Be careful what you wish for.

Spoiler:


A successful product that many people enjoy despite what the internet would have you believe?


All evidence points the other way actually, its WAS an unsuccessful product that was floundering due to bad marketing, poor rules and probably the worst reception ive ever seen for a GW game, bar dreadfleet, it has, in the last year, turned around massively, the models are finally catching peoples attention, the generals handbook has also go people to actually play it.

The biggest factor for turn around Is the starter boxes, and now the re release of island of blood will only increase this.



So.... you agree? It is a successful product that many people enjoy.

Still, debating the success of AoS is a bit OT...

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 pretre wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
Celestine will die, this is guaranteed (anyone willing to take a £100 bet on me being wrong?). The only question is how permanent her death is. Knowing GW and their previous presentation of the sisters it will be permanent but with the tagline: "She honorably sacrificed herself so the rest of you can live" which translates to "She got female dog slapped to death so a random no name SM could kill/twart the BBEG".

I consider myself an expert on all things sisters and like 40 pages back I predicted she will die because that's the only obvious outcome due to the way GW treats the sisters

Spoiler:
No one is going to take this bet since it has already been confirmed.


Spoiler:
She impales him in the spine and saves Creed, she saves greyfax from having warp backlash, she duels abaddon to a draw while they're both warp powered to the gills and manages to go blow for blow while essentially a normal human for longer than anyone else Abby's fought since what, sigismund? Yeah she dies and resurrects but it's not like she got totally punked, Abaddon is supposed to be the biggest evil baddass in the setting, she did pretty solid all things considered.


 
   
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 pretre wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
Celestine will die, this is guaranteed (anyone willing to take a £100 bet on me being wrong?). The only question is how permanent her death is. Knowing GW and their previous presentation of the sisters it will be permanent but with the tagline: "She honorably sacrificed herself so the rest of you can live" which translates to "She got female dog slapped to death so a random no name SM could kill/twart the BBEG".

I consider myself an expert on all things sisters and like 40 pages back I predicted she will die because that's the only obvious outcome due to the way GW treats the sisters

Spoiler:
No one is going to take this bet since it has already been confirmed.

Spoiler:
As been reported she and her two Gemini died while fighting abaddon and his entire legion alone and then she came back to life and messed up abaddon with a sword in the spine while saving creed because the only imperials more pathetic then sisters are imperial guard then after that she goes on to save greyfax from losing her mind to the warp. Whereas the entire imperial fist marines are wiped out to a man, the entire 3rd company is done to 1 marine, the Wulfen are dead, the stormtroopers are dead, vostoryans are gone, the cadian 8th is nearly gone including creeds entire command and even he loses a hand, In fact the only people left are black Templars and sisters and a small amount of ad mech.

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 Nostromodamus wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:

Be careful what you wish for.

Spoiler:


A successful product that many people enjoy despite what the internet would have you believe?


All evidence points the other way actually, its WAS an unsuccessful product that was floundering due to bad marketing, poor rules and probably the worst reception ive ever seen for a GW game, bar dreadfleet, it has, in the last year, turned around massively, the models are finally catching peoples attention, the generals handbook has also go people to actually play it.

The biggest factor for turn around Is the starter boxes, and now the re release of island of blood will only increase this.



So.... you agree? It is a successful product that many people enjoy.

Still, debating the success of AoS is a bit OT...


It really is not, AoS is still floundering badly the GH patched a few holes but it is still sinking. Hell Bloodbowl is outselling AoS at the moment there is a reason they have rereleased last IoB and it ain't because AoS starters are flying of shelves.

Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis 
   
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gungo wrote:
 pretre wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
Celestine will die, this is guaranteed (anyone willing to take a £100 bet on me being wrong?). The only question is how permanent her death is. Knowing GW and their previous presentation of the sisters it will be permanent but with the tagline: "She honorably sacrificed herself so the rest of you can live" which translates to "She got female dog slapped to death so a random no name SM could kill/twart the BBEG".

I consider myself an expert on all things sisters and like 40 pages back I predicted she will die because that's the only obvious outcome due to the way GW treats the sisters

Spoiler:
No one is going to take this bet since it has already been confirmed.

Spoiler:
As been reported she died and came back to life and messed up abaddon while saving creed because the only imperials more pathetic then sisters are imperial guard


Spoiler:
Creed shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with Abaddon for more than two seconds, that's really not portraying the guard as pathetic.
   
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SeanDrake wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:


Still, debating the success of AoS is a bit OT...


It really is not, AoS is still floundering badly the GH patched a few holes but it is still sinking. Hell Bloodbowl is outselling AoS at the moment there is a reason they have rereleased last IoB and it ain't because AoS starters are flying of shelves.


As this thread is about "Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks", it really IS Off Topic here.

Please feel free to start a thread about all things related to AoS and whether or not it is a success - but more of that here will be considered Off Topic, possibly spam, and will get the poster a warning and possibly a suspension if they've got too many warnings already.

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 plastictrees wrote:
gungo wrote:
 pretre wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
Celestine will die, this is guaranteed (anyone willing to take a £100 bet on me being wrong?). The only question is how permanent her death is. Knowing GW and their previous presentation of the sisters it will be permanent but with the tagline: "She honorably sacrificed herself so the rest of you can live" which translates to "She got female dog slapped to death so a random no name SM could kill/twart the BBEG".

I consider myself an expert on all things sisters and like 40 pages back I predicted she will die because that's the only obvious outcome due to the way GW treats the sisters

Spoiler:
No one is going to take this bet since it has already been confirmed.

Spoiler:
As been reported she died and came back to life and messed up abaddon while saving creed because the only imperials more pathetic then sisters are imperial guard


Spoiler:
Creed shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with Abaddon for more than two seconds, that's really not portraying the guard as pathetic.

Spoiler:
I'm glad you think guard are there for your armies to save but that completely makes your complaints about sisters being cannon fodder for lore entirely biased. And it wasn't just creed but his entire command was wiped out regardless the lore in this book flat out stated creed could stand toe to toe tactically with abaddon
.

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Saw yellow. Deleted for OT my bad.


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gungo wrote:
 plastictrees wrote:
gungo wrote:
 pretre wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
Celestine will die, this is guaranteed (anyone willing to take a £100 bet on me being wrong?). The only question is how permanent her death is. Knowing GW and their previous presentation of the sisters it will be permanent but with the tagline: "She honorably sacrificed herself so the rest of you can live" which translates to "She got female dog slapped to death so a random no name SM could kill/twart the BBEG".

I consider myself an expert on all things sisters and like 40 pages back I predicted she will die because that's the only obvious outcome due to the way GW treats the sisters

Spoiler:
No one is going to take this bet since it has already been confirmed.

Spoiler:
As been reported she died and came back to life and messed up abaddon while saving creed because the only imperials more pathetic then sisters are imperial guard


Spoiler:
Creed shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with Abaddon for more than two seconds, that's really not portraying the guard as pathetic.

I'm glad you think guard are there for your armies to save but that completely makes your complaints about sisters being cannon fodder for lore extremely biased.


Those were different people, unless you mean from like way earlier in the thread.

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ERJAK wrote:

Saw yellow. Deleted for OT my bad.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
gungo wrote:
 plastictrees wrote:
gungo wrote:
 pretre wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Spoiler:
Celestine will die, this is guaranteed (anyone willing to take a £100 bet on me being wrong?). The only question is how permanent her death is. Knowing GW and their previous presentation of the sisters it will be permanent but with the tagline: "She honorably sacrificed herself so the rest of you can live" which translates to "She got female dog slapped to death so a random no name SM could kill/twart the BBEG".

I consider myself an expert on all things sisters and like 40 pages back I predicted she will die because that's the only obvious outcome due to the way GW treats the sisters

Spoiler:
No one is going to take this bet since it has already been confirmed.

Spoiler:
As been reported she died and came back to life and messed up abaddon while saving creed because the only imperials more pathetic then sisters are imperial guard


Spoiler:
Creed shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with Abaddon for more than two seconds, that's really not portraying the guard as pathetic.

I'm glad you think guard are there for your armies to save but that completely makes your complaints about sisters being cannon fodder for lore extremely biased.


Those were different people, unless you mean from like way earlier in the thread.

It's the same thread chain. I'm not talking to anyone individually who is replying to the same thread chain. It's just funny how people complain my army shouldn't be cannon fodder for another army to save but it's cool if your army is cannon fodder.

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Let's hold off on the judgements of "cannon fodder" before the FULL story is available. We have bits and bobs but not the full campaign. For all we know the Cadians were largely successful in their efforts but still ultimately lost because of the pylons overloading instead of just getting outright steamrolled.
   
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I think Sisters players would probably point out that they don't even get to be saved.
'Everyone fought equally well with directly equivalent levels of success' doesn't make for a super exciting storyline.

Also Creed getting beaten up by Abbadon sets him up to come back as Mecha-Creed embedded in an Imperator Titan with a jet pack.
   
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gungo wrote:
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Spoiler:
I'm glad you think guard are there for your armies to save but that completely makes your complaints about sisters being cannon fodder for lore entirely biased. And it wasn't just creed but his entire command was wiped out regardless the lore in this book flat out stated creed could stand toe to toe tactically with abaddon
.


Spoiler:
I'd say the important word here is tactically. He may well be able to plan and command as well as Abbadon, but if he or any other unaltered human has to physically confront the lord of the Black legion then he's rightly toast. Besides in both Celestine and Creeds cases all its doing is setting them up for the later heroic comeback
   
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I'll wait for the full story but so far from the released spoilers I don't get a huge sense of Cadia falling. Rather it seems more of the same tired template of the Imperials pulling off a "hard-fought victory" with the big baddie leaving while shaking his fist and claiming he "really" won. It does not seem like any major named character died, and I'm sure GW will say the medics saved Creed's arm. Sure, there is the final bit about the pylons breaking but even so, that seems more like setup for the next round, rather than Cadia falling this time.

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It's a typical pyrrhic victory for the Imperium.



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They said Cadia would fall.
   
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 BrookM wrote:
It's a typical pyrrhic victory for the Imperium.

So losing the second most important world in the Imperium because it was the literal first, and last, bastion against a massive Chaos Steamroller is a victory?

I'm pretty sure we don't define "victory" the same here.
   
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According to the posts, they had beaten back the invaders, but at a heavy price.



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 BrookM wrote:
According to the posts, they had beaten back the invaders, but at a heavy price.


They also said that, once Abaddon regroups (which he'll do more quicklier than the imperium) he'll take Cadia no problem. As someone else said, this is just setting the scene for the conquest proper.
   
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Well, as I don't see it posted here yet, I have some rules leaks.

The Ad Mech guy Crawl, he confers Canticles of the Omnisiah onto nearby units.

Celestine does the same with acts of faith.

If this is in fact accurate, and they stack, you could make spammable small units that get double benefits of Canticles and Acts of Faith.
   
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So, a Pyrrhic victory then. As the Imperium won, but at a terrible cost, one they cannot sustain again.



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Iracundus wrote:
I'll wait for the full story but so far from the released spoilers I don't get a huge sense of Cadia falling. Rather it seems more of the same tired template of the Imperials pulling off a "hard-fought victory" with the big baddie leaving while shaking his fist and claiming he "really" won. It does not seem like any major named character died, and I'm sure GW will say the medics saved Creed's arm. Sure, there is the final bit about the pylons breaking but even so, that seems more like setup for the next round, rather than Cadia falling this time.

Spoiler:
The ONLY imperial victory was the fact the named ad mech was able to close a section of the eye of terror with the pylons but Lost control of the entire network, but it forced abaddon forces to tactically retreat even though they were winning.
The entire 1st company of fists was wiped out, the third company is down to 1 man, the Wulfen were wiped out, the imperial fleet was wiped out, the vostoryans, ogryns, ultramarine and the storm troopers released by tryzn were wiped out. The only forces still standing are black Templars, sisters, some cadians, some storm troopers (I think greyfax retinue), some ad mech. Chaos tactically retreated but for all intents and purposes they won and all they need is another surge overcome cadia.

With the pylons gone the eye of terror will only grow, abbadon no longer has anything holding back the immaterium on cadia and the depleted cadia forces will crumble at the full force of chaos. Which suffered loses but nothing like the cadian forces.

Regarding dead named both Gemini are gone, creed is crippled, some named wulven, some named imperial fists,( and I'm worried pask won't make it out of the webway with his tank.)
   
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Lord Kragan wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
According to the posts, they had beaten back the invaders, but at a heavy price.


They also said that, once Abaddon regroups (which he'll do more quicklier than the imperium) he'll take Cadia no problem. As someone else said, this is just setting the scene for the conquest proper.
So instead of 1 minute to midnight we're at 59 seconds to midnight?
   
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So the only way to get rules for Celestine is to buy the big bundle? Or does the kit without the book include the rules?

   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
According to the posts, they had beaten back the invaders, but at a heavy price.


They also said that, once Abaddon regroups (which he'll do more quicklier than the imperium) he'll take Cadia no problem. As someone else said, this is just setting the scene for the conquest proper.
So instead of 1 minute to midnight we're at 59 seconds to midnight?


More like 59.5 seconds, tbh.

At least stuff happens in AoS. You may disagree with it or not find it very good but you get a good grasp of something actually going on with these events.

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