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katfude wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Crowe's job is to now make it to combat and utterly destroy things in challenges. I may have to dust off one of my favorite GK models again.

I don't really see it. He only gets to make 1 STR8 AP2 smash attack and against most models that will accept that challenge, will make him rely on a re-rollable 4++ or die immediately himself. The big boys are still gonna make him pay pretty easily.

Your opponent can always just decline and Crowe goes back to slap fighting (excluding Chaos and such that have to accept).

I'll definitely playtest him, but I'm expecting just as much out of him in this edition as the last.

He can chose to make one S8 Attack.

With Smash, you don't have to substitute your attacks into a single Sx2 attack, you can just use your regular number of attacks with AP2 on your normal Strength value.

 Redemption wrote:
With Smash, you don't have to substitute your attacks into a single Sx2 attack, you can just use your regular number of attacks with AP2 on your normal Strength value.

Mixed with Hamerhand

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I think Interceptors might be good now. 145 pts for a 5-man unit with an Incinerator and a Hammer, coupled with the 30" shunt move, could do a lot of damage or even just be a good distraction unit.

Indeed, I'd take two such units in one detachment.
Coupled with two DK's with teleporters and heavy incinerator they could provide an alpha strike.

 Redemption wrote:
With Smash, you don't have to substitute your attacks into a single Sx2 attack, you can just use your regular number of attacks with AP2 on your normal Strength value.

... I do not know how I missed that. Touche. That helps a bit then, especially with the high WS. It seems a little too easy for an opponent to just decline challenges still, though.

Redemption wrote:With Smash, you don't have to substitute your attacks into a single Sx2 attack, you can just use your regular number of attacks with AP2 on your normal Strength value.

Anpu42 wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
With Smash, you don't have to substitute your attacks into a single Sx2 attack, you can just use your regular number of attacks with AP2 on your normal Strength value.

Mixed with Hamerhand

Forgive me if mistaken but wasn't one of the BC "poses" that you made attacks at Str6? And Crowe can do both that pose and the reroll saves simultaneously. Between that and hammerhand you are making 2Str 8 AP2 attacks already without having to Smash.

 Deadshot wrote:
Forgive me if mistaken but wasn't one of the BC "poses" that you made attacks at Str6? And Crowe can do both that pose and the reroll saves simultaneously. Between that and hammerhand you are making 2Str 8 AP2 attacks already without having to Smash.

No, the new stances rules only works in challenges. Regular Brotherhood Champions have to choose between gaining Smash or re-rolling failed saves, and Crowe always has both.

Ah ok. Any idea what character I was thinking of?

Main disadvantage for crowe in challenges is his lack of Forceweapon however. So not really sure if he's actually worth it.

Am I reading this right; Psilencers now have Force?

They do.... But they are still only S4 AP-.

You do get a ton of shots though, but the chance to kill heavy monsters easily is very small... So it'll still be a very niche orientated list that features a lot of them

What do people think of the techmarine armed with Conversion beamer?

His base points cost seems a little high compared to those in other books as he pays upfront for a servo harness and they seem to charge around 20pts for his psykic powers even though they aren't much use to him and he doesn't have a force weapon.
On the plus side a conversion beamer provides good long range anti armour power with S:10, AP:1, he has bolster defence as well as a 2+ save so isn't easy to remove if positioned in a back corner.
I quite like him in an Imperial bunker manning a comms relay to guide in your strike force.

The problem with a conversion beamer is you really want Hammer & Anvil deployment and even then you won't get that S10 AP1 range very often.

Conversion beam is too hit or miss, as above. Trechmarines were awesome last edition as grenade caddies and once per turn orbital bombardment caddies. Now.. they're just overcosted ML1 warp charge dice makers.

 Shandara wrote:
The problem with a conversion beamer is you really want Hammer & Anvil deployment and even then you won't get that S10 AP1 range very often.

I am thinking getting a bastion with comm relay for the conversion beamer techmarıne, thats how he can be safe and can be usefull for reserver rolls.

 Elmir wrote:
Main disadvantage for crowe in challenges is his lack of Forceweapon however. So not really sure if he's actually worth it.

That is true.
But with his stats, S6 and AP2 at I6 with WS8, it would be quite insane if he also had Force.

Probably a little late, but I also picked up my new GK codex last night, the previously posted screenshots are accurate.

Outstanding!

Now that it is released, can we close this thread?

I recall the SW thread was closed once the actual book was released and the teeth mashing/tearing of clothes can now be focused on the Necrons, who apparently are next but no one cares about as that thread is already on the 2nd page...

Or you can jump to the $165 Nagash and rules thread and continue.

We still have 2 days to rant until official release dont we ?

What's this about people saying they just got their books? Did the pre-orders ship early?

Yeah it's not officially released yet. Hilarious that some people want to rush and lock the thread though...

can someone explain Champions and Crowe?
What are the stances and stats?

Guys, I have a question:

Is the previous Grey Knight codex the shortest-lived army codex ever in the history of 40k?

I remember it was released some time in 2011...so less than 3 years it has been made redundant.

Has another codex received an update faster than this?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Outstanding!

Now that it is released, can we close this thread?

I recall the SW thread was closed once the actual book was released and the teeth mashing/tearing of clothes can now be focused on the Necrons, who apparently are next but no one cares about as that thread is already on the 2nd page...

Or you can jump to the $165 Nagash and rules thread and continue.

Surely just not coming into thread will achieve same result?

raoiley wrote:
can someone explain Champions and Crowe?
What are the stances and stats?

Without citing the specific rules?
They are challenge-monsters that have to pick between an insane offensive or defensive ability.
Crowe, being awesome, can have both.

Crowe makes me run away with Mephiston, so that should say enough.

raoiley wrote:
can someone explain Champions and Crowe?
What are the stances and stats?

When the Brotherhood Champion is in a challenge, he picks one of the stances.

The First one gives him "Smash" which means he is AP2, and can choose to not make a Smash attack to get 2 attacks at base Strength, or use the Smash attack to get a single attack at double strength.

The second one lets the Brotherhood Champion make is 2 attacks at base strength and AP, but he can reroll all failed saves (Armour and Invulnerable).

Castellan Crowe uses both stances in a challenge, meaning that in a challenge, he always re-rolls saves, is always AP2, and can make 2 attacks at base Strength (+2 with Hammerhand), or make 1 attack with double strength (Str 10 with Hammerand).

However, Crowe's sword has no AP, which means even Guardsmen get saves against him outside of challenges.

UltraPrime wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Outstanding!

Now that it is released, can we close this thread?

I recall the SW thread was closed once the actual book was released and the teeth mashing/tearing of clothes can now be focused on the Necrons, who apparently are next but no one cares about as that thread is already on the 2nd page...

Or you can jump to the $165 Nagash and rules thread and continue.

Surely just not coming into thread will achieve same result?

Just taking the "discussion" to the 40k Discussion thread would be great, instead of perpetuating a "news and rumors" thread - which none of the last 4 pages has been.

I provided a link you can ask army specific questions too.

ForeverARookie wrote:
Castellan Crowe uses both stances in a challenge, meaning that in a challenge, he always re-rolls saves, is always AP2, and can make 2 attacks at base Strength (+2 with Hammerhand), or make 1 attack with double strength (Str 10 with Hammerand).

However, Crowe's sword has no AP, which means even Guardsmen get saves against him outside of challenges.

Don't forget the additional attack from charging

It's really weird that his own weapon is so.. crap
But you'd probably field him with a unit of anything else and they all have power weapons.

Kangodo wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:
Castellan Crowe uses both stances in a challenge, meaning that in a challenge, he always re-rolls saves, is always AP2, and can make 2 attacks at base Strength (+2 with Hammerhand), or make 1 attack with double strength (Str 10 with Hammerand).

However, Crowe's sword has no AP, which means even Guardsmen get saves against him outside of challenges.

Don't forget the additional attack from charging

It's really weird that his own weapon is so.. crap
But you'd probably field him with a unit of anything else and they all have power weapons.

At least Crowe's an IC now and his sword doesn't buff the enemy anymore (I guess Crowe finally taught it who's boss).

ForeverARookie wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:
Castellan Crowe uses both stances in a challenge, meaning that in a challenge, he always re-rolls saves, is always AP2, and can make 2 attacks at base Strength (+2 with Hammerhand), or make 1 attack with double strength (Str 10 with Hammerand).

However, Crowe's sword has no AP, which means even Guardsmen get saves against him outside of challenges.

Don't forget the additional attack from charging

It's really weird that his own weapon is so.. crap
But you'd probably field him with a unit of anything else and they all have power weapons.

At least Crowe's an IC now and his sword doesn't buff the enemy anymore (I guess Crowe finally taught it who's boss).

I was thinking him in a unit of purifiers would be good. As a bonus, it is fluffy.

Does anyone else think it is strange that the Purifier special character DOES NOT have the soul blaze thing?