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Really? I find restic almost as hard to cut as metal.

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of restic or anything, but I don't really see a conversion issue with the stuff. In some ways, it's easier to convert with than metal or HIPS, due to the ease of reposing with hot water or a hair dryer.

I suppose it depends what you're trying to do. Make a kneeling Vanguard soldier? OK! Swap a Dreadballer's face out? Not so much.

 Baragash wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
I just noticed that they've started calling the stuff "premium plastic". Considering that it is sent to the customer warped and torn, "restic gak" still seems more accurate.

Yeah, they did it with the metal in DBX as well, there are not enough *rolleye* emoticons in the world to comment on it's use......

I was excited for Dwarf releases but metal spears.... thanks but no thanks.

Annoyingly, I am currently painting a unit of dwarves I converted with Foundry spears

The Mantic ones look way better than my conversions.

So, I might pick up a regiment. They're incredibly useful in KoW. Never did mind plastic/metal hybrid kits (had a Crimson Fists army in 40k 3rd era, it was ALL plastic/metal hybrids) , it's the restic/metal hybrids that are a real PITA.

£20 for 10 of the dwarf cavalry is ridiculously cheap! Especially when you figure in you will probably be able to get them for closer to £15.

 judgedoug wrote:


Annoyingly, I am currently painting a unit of dwarves I converted with Foundry spears
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This is what puts me off converting an entire unit of Orc archers.. I know the moment I make a significant amount, the official miniature will be revealed..

Actually, I've thought the same thing about splashing out for Forgeworld Thunderhawk for years!

Quick post with some news:

The Nature and Abyssal army lists for KoW are now up for free download on the Mantic site:

http://www.manticgames.com/free-rules.html

Today's blog post detailing the new dwarf army set is really good, complete unboxing with detailed pics of every component:

http://manticblog.com/2014/04/15/unboxing-dwarfs/

The Keepers of the Balance rule is idiotic. Good and Evil are not mirrors of one another, and there's no such thing as a balance between the two.

The Salamander has more Mantic Leg Syndrome and looks like crap, and the picture overlaps the text.

Fire and Water Elementals should be faster than Earth Elementals.

Yeah, the legs are a thing you notice in all of the concepts.

Sculpting isn't the issue with the legs, the sculptors just sculpt what the art looks like.

 AlexHolker wrote:
The Keepers of the Balance rule is idiotic. Good and Evil are not mirrors of one another, and there's no such thing as a balance between the two.

In reality yes. But in a fantasy game, things don't have to be realistic.

You could thing of Evil as a destructive force, and Good as a constructive force, so nature would be a balance between the two.

Fire and Water Elementals should be faster than Earth Elementals.

Why? Landslides move faster then forest fires.

 Thatguyoverthere wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
The Keepers of the Balance rule is idiotic. Good and Evil are not mirrors of one another, and there's no such thing as a balance between the two.

In reality yes. But in a fantasy game, things don't have to be realistic.

You could thing of Evil as a destructive force, and Good as a constructive force, so nature would be a balance between the two.

Fire and Water Elementals should be faster than Earth Elementals.

Why? Landslides move faster then forest fires.

If you'll look at Alex's other comments in 95% of the Mantic threads, all he does is bash the company. Anything they do, it's the wrong call. "Good and evil aren't exact opposites, wwwaaaahhhhh"...ugh, we get it. Go troll elsewhere, the rest of us are sick of it. If you have legit criticisms, sure, but you complain just to see your words on the screen. Almost every complaint you've had is simply here to rain criticism on the company. Bad flash lines, the men at arms, the nuns and not showing us the plastic models before asking us to pitch money after promising pictures are all legit reasons to call them out. Hell, there are plenty more. But your good and evil comment and your issues with how the core box in the DBX striker set isn't changed per customer are idiotic. Flat out 100% childish. They're just the most recent/ones that stuck in my mind. You've had plenty more. If you have legit concerns, go ahead and voice them. If you're just going to post childish comments, the mods are going to get barraged with yellow triangles of friendship.

Thanks for the news, Scarlet.
Gnomes!

 scarletsquig wrote:
Quick post with some news:

The Nature and Abyssal army lists for KoW are now up for free download on the Mantic site:

http://www.manticgames.com/free-rules.html

Today's blog post detailing the new dwarf army set is really good, complete unboxing with detailed pics of every component:

http://manticblog.com/2014/04/15/unboxing-dwarfs/

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Huh. And I was just bemoaning the lack of those two yesterday. Did you send them an email or something?
I'm not a fan at all of Mantic's actual dwarf models but I agree that the unboxing in that detail is a good move and well done. I guess it fits the timing of GW's recent releases as well.

I have a sinking feeling that based off of past experience "Gnomes" will be Mantic Dwarves with a new paint job and some metal character pieces, and "Sylvan Kin" will be Mantic Elves with blue skin or something.

Crossing my fingers this isn't true, but I can't say I blame them for creating space in the Nature list for the couple of blocks of infantry of Elves and Dwarves that most Mantic customers likely have laying around.

 Thatguyoverthere wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
The Keepers of the Balance rule is idiotic. Good and Evil are not mirrors of one another, and there's no such thing as a balance between the two.

In reality yes. But in a fantasy game, things don't have to be realistic.

You could thing of Evil as a destructive force, and Good as a constructive force, so nature would be a balance between the two.

No, in reality you generally do not have Good and Evil factions. World War II might qualify, but something like the Coalition of the Willing invading a member of the Axis of Evil is just propaganda.

That is not necessarily true in SF&F, and it certainly isn't true here, not when "Mhorgoth has sworn a pact to see every living creature perish, and he will not rest until the world is populated only by the dead." Omnicide is pretty open and shut.

Fire and Water Elementals should be faster than Earth Elementals.

Why? Landslides move faster then forest fires.

PDF looks fine to me, no image overlapping in firefox preview or foxit reader. It does throw a message about "may not be displayed correctly" though, so there might be something wrong on other browsers/ software.

Huh. And I was just bemoaning the lack of those two yesterday. Did you send them an email or something?

Nah, they just read Dakka and try their best to make everyone happy.

 scarletsquig wrote:
PDF looks fine to me, no image overlapping in firefox preview or foxit reader. It does throw a message about "may not be displayed correctly" though, so there might be something wrong on other browsers/ software.

I concede the point - Foxit shows the image correctly, while Firefox does not.

 Gallahad wrote:
I have a sinking feeling that based off of past experience "Gnomes" will be Mantic Dwarves with a new paint job and some metal character pieces, and "Sylvan Kin" will be Mantic Elves with blue skin or something.

Crossing my fingers this isn't true, but I can't say I blame them for creating space in the Nature list for the couple of blocks of infantry of Elves and Dwarves that most Mantic customers likely have laying around.

If I field them, they'll be 10mm or 15mm gnomes.

Abyssals and Nature armies are getting 100% hard plastic infantry, restic large infantry and cavalry.

Kickstarter either very late this year or next year, with delivery likely to be mid-late 2015.

There are a few remaining bits from the KoW KS to still release which will come out later this year, but Hellfire and Stone is the big KoW release for this year.

It looks like they're mostly focused on either releasing 2 new armies per year, or overhauling 2 old armies per year for KoW.

Abyssals may be coming earlier than you think.

Oh, nice!

Would be good to get them sorted much earlier, especially the units that Abyssal Dwarves and Twilight Kin have access to.

From the Mantic Blog, looks like the new Abyssal Dwarf list will include Slave Orc Gore Riders.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Stone is heavy, rigid and only moves at all when it's falling over. Fire is almost a living thing, and moves constantly.

Hmm, my candle's fire barely moves. I mean, slowly, downward, as it melts the wax. Neither does my lighter's flame. It's pretty slow.

Are you seriously arguing your opinion - as fact - about fantastic elemental beasts? For feth's sake.

 Daedleh wrote:
Abyssals may be coming earlier than you think.

I really hope so, I love the sculpts I saw at the open day.

Do you have any pics of said sculpts?

Some new releases up for preorder today:

Dragon fireteam:



Gargoyles/ Harpies:



Abyssal Golems:



Spider dude:



Ba'su'su:



Ba'su'su is definitely a contender for the best sculpt Mantic has ever made. Fantastic mini.

The golems and gargoyles look great, not a huge fan of the spiderdwarf tho, he kinda looks like he's got a vacuum cleaner attachment!

I'm definitely considering getting some golems on payday and the gargoyle sp character.

Methinks someone at Mantic has been playing Morrowind...

 judgedoug wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

Stone is heavy, rigid and only moves at all when it's falling over. Fire is almost a living thing, and moves constantly.

Hmm, my candle's fire barely moves. I mean, slowly, downward, as it melts the wax. Neither does my lighter's flame. It's pretty slow.

Are you seriously arguing your opinion - as fact - about fantastic elemental beasts? For feth's sake.

It more or less is a fact at this point. In stories, games, movies (other than this one), etc the rock guys are slow and tough, the air guys fast/invisible, the fire dudes hurt more and the water guys are whatever, healers or some crap. I guess you can do it the reverse out of spite, but it doesn't mean it makes sense from what we've grown to expect from elementals as a standard trope.

For that matter, you can call the agile and pretty race of non-humans that live in trees, shoot bows and are good with magic Orcs and make wood elves big green, dumb, and ugly with big tusks, but you cant claim that the disconnect experienced is "just our opinion" and either way is equally valid.

Edit: Those abyssal golems look great! So do the gargoyles, but I wouldnt want a whole unit of them crouching on tombstones given how odd the harpies look ranked (IMO). The spider guy with the fart tube weapon.... not so much.

I noticed on the blog those are "Lesser" Abyssal golems.

Does that mean there's something bigger in the works?

So does anyone know if the Army lists in Hellfire and Stone for Dwarves and Chaos Dwarves will be the same as the existing ones from the Rulebook/PDFs, or updated with new units and the like? I'm not interested in a GW-style power spiral, but I do like more options to use cool figures that I own. (Without proxying "ogre allies" for thematically-appropriate things like Minotaurs and the huge FW Bull Centaurs..