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2008/02/11 14:07:25
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Ah yes, the d1000 mutation table...
Long, long ago I had the original Realms of Chaos books. They're gone now so I despaired of ever using the d1000 mutation table again until I learned the wonderful truth, it was also printed in White Dwarf 99!
So now join me in enjoying the wonders of this issue...
It starts with the cover
which might be the first ever appearance of a chaos marines. Y'see the mighty, mighty Rogue Trader rules had no, zero, nada mention of chaos. they had mutants, they had warp creatures but no Nurgle, no Khorne, no Black Legion, no Horus, no Daemons. Those came later.
In White Dwarf 99 in fact.
But we'll get to that soon.
First off an ad for Heroquest
If you don't love that ad, you're a communist. It's everything we love about GW in one wonderful image.
The sneak preview page has some treats as well
WOW a Space Elf Dreadnaught! I hope they keep that model in production for 20 years!
And something about chaos renegades?
Good idea but I wonder if they'll ever be as popular as the squats.
Some new models for 40k
This one is worth clicking on to embiggen. I have like 3 or 4 of them and would love to have more. The two female warriors have been a source of controversy for years since apparently they were also called female space marines.
And some pre-craftworld, pre-aspect Eldar
And the first Orky dread
I think that's enough awesomeness for now. Alas Chinese New Year is over and tomorrow is a work day.
More soon.
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2008/02/11 14:58:30
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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I shamefully admit to really really liking some of the old guardian models, I think the more grunt ones that came out after the bunch here. No love for the musicians from me though, as hilarious as they are. But ... "mince n' tatties" ..? - Salvage
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2008/02/11 16:20:35
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Battleship Captain
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<gives a Randy "The Macho Man" Savage "OOOH YEAAAAH!! to d1000 tables>
Frankly, it was d1000 tables that got me into 40k. I'd picked up the WDs talking about them before I ever bought the RT and the concept was just so out of this world that I knew I had to buy the game.
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2008/02/12 08:48:31
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
Maple Valley, Washington, Holy Terra
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I can't seem to "enbiggen" your pictures.
Heh, "mince n' tatties" indeed!
A lot of the material from the Realm of Chaos books was reprinted in WD.
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"Calgar hates Tyranids."
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2008/02/12 10:23:25
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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[ADMIN]
President of the Mat Ward Fan Club
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KK:
You can only click on the original attachment pictures to see the full version. Since you're direct linking to the thumbnail picture, that's all anyone can (sadly) get to.
Although depending on the size of the original, you can just link to the full version of the pic (instead of the thumbnail).
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2008/02/12 11:15:24
Subject: Re:Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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And let's see that mutation table too please.
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2008/02/12 11:31:17
Subject: Re:Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Let's see the mutation table in a series of 100 posts of 10 each!!!!!!
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2008/02/12 12:52:17
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Is it the same one from the Realms of Chaos books?
BYE
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2008/02/12 18:19:41
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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We won't know until he posts it, but knowing GW, the ROC book is just a reprint.
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2008/02/12 21:00:03
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ah, that fugly ork dreadought...lol. I still laugh at that thing to this day....
Capt K
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2008/02/13 12:42:40
Subject: Re:Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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& we're back!
First off some clearer images of the big scans.
& now some content!
As I said the real draw here is the D1000 MUTATION TABLE! I mean 1000 mutations + sub tables! It's awesome!
But I won't get to to just yet.
Because first we have THE LEGION OF THE DAMNED!
Like all proper marine chapters, their symbol is a SKULL! Scary stuff there!
But who are they? Where do they come from? Surely they are mysterious and their origins are lost in the mists of time?
Right?
Um...
Nope, 3rd rate marine chapter, caught the warp flu, decided to wear extra (x2) skully armor.
This is a rare case where I think GW's later fluff was better. I never saw this article so my first exposure to the LoD was in 2nd edition which just had them as a mystery. I remember arguing with my buddies what their orgin might be.
Anyway, one thing doesn't change, since they wear BLACK armor they have SUPERPOWERS!
Other new models include the mighty Ambull
the mighty attack bike
and the mighty tarantula, mole mortar and land speeder, collectively marketed at DEVESTATORS!
& we also have an article on martial arts in Rune Quest featuring this great image of a ninja versus a... whatever that is. Yeah. Good luck with your kung fu man.
Coming soon...
the D1000 MUTATION TABLE!
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2008/02/13 15:17:59
Subject: Re:Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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This is without doubt the most fun set of posts in a long time - I'm getting all nostalgic for my zoats, ambulls and the like. Takes me back to the age of 11 like it was only yesterday!
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2008/02/13 15:42:03
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Fixture of Dakka
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It WAS yesterday.
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2008/02/13 16:51:39
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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ah put it up already >< i wanna see iiiiiiiiiiiiit!
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SM- Lets roll to see who goes first
Nob- Urgh...ok, I got a 6
SM- Oops, looks like I got an 8, so I go first
Nob- You got a 8 on a 6 sided die?
SM- Um, yep.
Nob- Space marines.....
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2008/02/13 17:27:32
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I want an Ambull.
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2008/02/13 18:22:15
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Who says GW is getting worse with their products? At least nowadays, when you buy an attack bike they see fit to give you the crew as well.
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2008/02/13 20:34:54
Subject: Re:Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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Arrgh, Kyoto, you're such a tease! I love it!
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2008/02/13 21:32:44
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
Maple Valley, Washington, Holy Terra
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Huh. I've never seen that Imperial Scout before. I don't think he's in the 1991 catalog. Neat!
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"Calgar hates Tyranids."
Your #1 Fan |
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2008/02/13 22:40:02
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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He's fighting Goro... or... Goro with a tail-body-thing.
Very odd.
Whatever the case, that Ninja is so screwed...
BYE
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2008/02/13 22:53:11
Subject: Re:Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Raging Ravener
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Quick! Ninja! G+ HP!
I am sooo lame....
(Anyone who gets this is equally lame, of course )
Viperion
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I'm sure there will be a 15 disc super duper blu-wiener-ray edition that will have every little thing included. - Necros, on Watchmen |
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2008/02/14 09:20:41
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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I got it...it had to be said.
Thanks for the review, but the fluff for the legion is kind of cheesy indeed.
Greets
Schepp himself
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2008/02/14 10:35:25
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Platuan4th wrote:I want an Ambull.
I've got one if you want.
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2008/02/14 11:02:38
Subject: Re:Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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& we're back!
With an indepth examination of the Runequest martial arts system!
Or we can just skip ahead to the:
d1000 MUTATION TABLE!
yeah, thought so.
The d1000 MUTATION TABLE! is simulatniously everything that was right with 80s GW and everything that was wrong.
It's massive, takes up 11 pages, has 36 (!!) sub-tables and such wonderful ideas as 'silly walk' and 'mechanoid' (roll for which body part). It's awesome.
It's also completely unbalanced - well my mutant got a metal body, invisibliity and levitation. What about you? Um, horrible stench, mane of hair and spots.
And more importantly, completely unusable in a miniature game!
You see you were supposed to play a campaign where your character would start out as an ordinary human and rise in they eyes of the chaos gods, mutating and gaining power until he ultimately became a demon prince or a chaos spawn. And your model was supposed to WYSIWYG! So in these days of lead models and no bitz you might suddenly have to turn your elf ranger into a half-spider!
It would make a great video game but as a mini game?
Oh and you were supposed to roll for your units too, so not only would you have convert each one according to random rolls, but somehow convince your opponent you really did roll up metal body, duplication and acid blood for each one.
But still the ideas were brilliant.
I mean, not just blood substitution, but 6 different options! Maggots! Electricity! It's mad!
I'd love to see someone do a chaos army using this chart to model each unit (d3 mutations per unit).
I should also take a second to put to rest and old ubran myth about this chart. You will notice:
061-068 Black Skin
Now back in the day you would never, ever see a miniature, art work or photo of anyone in White Dwarf who wasn't that gastly shade of pale common in those blighted isles. So naturally some people saw this and assumed that the paleskins of Nottingham were saying that African hues are a sign of evil.
Well the description is worth looking at:
So there you are, 'black skin' the chaos mutation means BLACK. Not dark brown.
Anyway the issue ends with a preview of the Treacher Legions!
For fans of retconned fluff we have:
"The Treacher Legions have been extinct for millennia, but they have spawned other legions of imitations: warriors whose appearance apes that of the Legiones Asartes but whose armour maskes a corruption of the body no less disgusting than that of their sickening minds."
So Abbaddon cannot be the original, he's just a poser aping the real, long-extinct, traitor legions.
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2008/02/14 11:48:33
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Devastating Dark Reaper
Catskill New York
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A great bit of nostaglia here.
And sadly, shows how WD & GW have devolved in a way.
Sure, the background was hazy, the art... meh... BUT, the magazine wasn't just a multi-page advert for new stuff. It actually gave you something you could use in a game. Whether that be chart tables, new rules, stat lines, or card stock buildings or whatever.
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2008/02/14 14:12:14
Subject: Re:Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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That's so freakin' sweet it hurts. Let's put it to work, shall we? BOSS SALVAGE -- Very Strong, Huge Head, Featureless Face Hahahahahah! How very 40k of me! Dreadnought-esque, in fact! - Salvage
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2008/02/14 14:14:07
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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[MOD]
Madrak Ironhide
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The Eldar were punk rock!
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2008/02/14 14:23:33
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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someone should write the random mutation script.
I got very agile
temporal instability (on roll of 6 disappear for d6 rounds then reappear in the same spot)
and an irrational hatred of elfs
Not bad.
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2008/02/14 14:26:51
Subject: Re:Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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You requested that 1 roll of 3 1000-sided dice be rolled.
Roll them bones ... your dice are
Roll 1: 33, 979, 213 = 1225.
'k, that's:
Atrophy,
Zoological Mutation,
Enormously Fat
Hmm...sounds like a wargamer!
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-S
2000 2000 1200
600 190 in progress
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2008/02/14 14:28:41
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:someone should write the random mutation script.
Seconded. Trying to figure out how I would do it myself, but my skills are pretty rough :S
- Salvage
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2008/02/14 14:38:27
Subject: Retro Review 3 - White Dwarf 99 d1000 Mutation table! d1000 Mutation table!
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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What's up with the fatness?
106: Bulging Eyes
216: Enormously fat
63: Black skin.
More interesting the second time:
703: Rearranged face
857: Technology
954: Walking head (!)
Now that’s some chaos, right there.
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