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I've heard that the Vanquisher cannon can fire through hills.

BYE

"This is my Vanquisher cannon....it shoots through schools." *evilgrin*

It's not the Heavy 20 that's got me skeptical (well maybe a little bit.) I'm sure a lot of it is rooted in fact (If the Deathstrike is confirmed by BoLS, then I guess anything is possible), but I feel that we aren't seeing the final numbers. I'll be surprised if GW actually increases all LR to side armor 13. Maybe the "heavy" LR's like the Demolisher, but I can't see LR MBT getting a 14 13 10 statline AND squadrons.

The named variants of the Hellhound also don't ring right with me. I can see Hellhound's being able to upgrade the Inferno Cannon to a Melta Cannon/Chemical Cannon for X points, but I doubt they'll have separate named entries in the codex... unless they're presented like Land Speeders (Tornado, Typhoon, etc.)

I don't see the Punisher Cannon's Heavy 20 as broken... just annoying. Assault cannon's are Heavy 4, Scatter Lasers are Heavy 6, Vulcan Mega-Bolters are Heavy 15... This thing spits out a greater torrent? They better model it as 4 or 5 Gatling-esque barrels.

To be fair, I hope the "lumbering" rule for LR's, stats for Ogryn, Fast Hellhounds w/variants, and the Valkyrie deployment rules all prove true, because they sound like a lot of fun.

As an IG player I'm getting excited about this codex, but on the other hand, I'm not looking forward to playing against some of the soon to be many first-time IG players... "Okay, let me move my 150 Guardsmen... Now to fire my punisher cannon... Where's my dice? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6..." We'll be able to time games with a calendar. /snob

I'm mostly happy about the change in Chimera costs, as my mechanised boys can now afford that one extra track in my 1k army. And new tanks are never a bad thing.

THE NEW vALKYRIE LOOKS BADA$$

Has anyone heard if they are going to keep priests in the list? I can't get enough of the chainsaw weilding sobs

A.A.C.

The "Eradicator" seems to be based off a librarium online poster's fan-vehicle. http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/rules-development/114573-leman-russ-eradicator.html

if these 20 shot thing of doom is true maybe it will have rending or auto pinning just a thought

skullspliter888 wrote:if these 20 shot thing of doom is true maybe it will have rending or auto pinning just a thought

with 24" range it had better... if they are that close it's almost too late!

Let's imagine for a minute the Punisher turret looks like a mini VMB turret. Lets imagine it is in fact a mini VMB. The VMB can move and fire 15, or stay still and fire 30.

If the Punisher had the "all power to the weapons!" rule, where it could either fire 10 shots and do something else, or just sit tight and fire 20, it would suddenly fit quite nicely.

Just a suggestion.

Or maybe it's like that malcador with the heavy bolters pointing in 4 directions, so maybe it's 5 front, 5 left, 5 right, 5 back = 20 shots?

Nuclear Mekanik wrote:Let's imagine for a minute the Punisher turret looks like a mini VMB turret. Lets imagine it is in fact a mini VMB. The VMB can move and fire 15, or stay still and fire 30.

If the Punisher had the "all power to the weapons!" rule, where it could either fire 10 shots and do something else, or just sit tight and fire 20, it would suddenly fit quite nicely.

Just a suggestion.

Mind you, only the Stormlord has the option to stand still and fire twice. The Warhound and Macharius can't.

Who's Robin Cruddace and has he written a codex before?

stonefox wrote:Who's Robin Cruddace and has he written a codex before?

He's the new guy who is with the design studio for about 18 months now, he has helped with the Lizardman army book.

Out of curiosity to his work, how did the lizardmen book turn out?

I think its great GW has let him do so much. Even if only half of all this is correct, he's still managed to pack it in.

I think the Lizardmen have had a nice power boost. Time will tell of course, but I don't think they are as powerful as Daemons or VC. They should be very, very competitive though.

These rumors are like a trip to the Neverland Ranch: I don't really trust them, but they touch my happy place.

I do also note that the plasma LR doesn't say it has blasts, but rather just Heavy 3. That might not be too bad at all. Then again, if it costs as much as a Dev squad with 3-4 plasma cannons with a lower BS and the ability to be stunned/shaken, that is not horrible.

So if VC/Daemons is at the top, are Lizardmen 2nd tier with High Elves or lower, or even at the bottom like the Tomb Kings?

I'm just excited by all this talk of tanks! How many are in this new codex? This sounds like a serious IG compendium of a codex already!

To temper my own enthusiasm though, not much of this will matter until the models are released. As excited as I am by all the goodies, if we don't see them for a year (as was the case with the battlewagon) then it'll be a long dry-spell befoe any of these new toys see battle.

I'll definitely pick up a valkyrie though. Does anyone know if it will come witha flyign stand of some sort? Or do I stil have to make my own?

The word is that it does come with a flying stand.

i'm scared of flying stands. in my experience flying stands are your model's way of saying "hey, knock me over please". But maybe they can put something together that's better than the old flying bases with the teeny little peg that always breaks off.

I'm planning to get 2 valkyries, 1 for each stormtrooper squad I have.

I dunno what to do with the tanks though, I mostly just play apocalypse anymore and I'm thinking of just squadonizing what I have now. I know if I start adding new tanks I'm gonna wanna squadronize them too and I'm too poor for that :(

That's all depending on the Pts cost, maybe that's a New dakkafex or dakkaruss for IG, who knows.

These are easily adapted for use with GW flying bases. I set up a Hammerhead and Devilfish in about 20 minutes, all said and done, and they work well. There's a bit of sanding necessary, but it's pretty easy.

20 Str 5 shots, plus the three heavy bolters for a grand total of 29 str 5 shots. Or 3 dead marines, maybe 8 boys. Cool but not game breaking.

Not at all, people get a little too excited about it seeing the shots. Who wants to bet the cries of cheese will come long without any rational backing as soon as the dex hits? As long as these rumors turn out to be true of course.

I don't like your mathhammer foil, not that I'm questioning it, I just don't like it.

Not that I have any insight to back me up, but I call 'bogus' on these Spanish rumors. I just can't see GW supporting that many types of vehicles for one army. I can believe 3-4 different types of vehicles in a box (i.e. LRBT, Vanquisher, Exterminator, Demolisher), but 7? Nah, man. I think the new Heavy 4, Twin-Linked Exterminator is wish-listing based on the weird picture in the 5E Rulebook. Not to mention the fact that treadheads have a whole slew of FW armor that they'd love to be able to play in regular games of 40k and this is what GW "supposedly" is going to give us? I'm not above eating crow when the time comes if this stuff is true, but this just seems way too OTT. Some of it, maybe. But all of it? Nah, man - bogus.

Wehrkind wrote:These rumors are like a trip to the Neverland Ranch: I don't really trust them, but they touch my happy place.

Hehe I just had to sig that

Death By Monkeys wrote:Not that I have any insight to back me up, but I call 'bogus' on these Spanish rumors. I just can't see GW supporting that many types of vehicles for one army. I can believe 3-4 different types of vehicles in a box (i.e. LRBT, Vanquisher, Exterminator, Demolisher), but 7? Nah, man. I think the new Heavy 4, Twin-Linked Exterminator is wish-listing based on the weird picture in the 5E Rulebook. Not to mention the fact that treadheads have a whole slew of FW armor that they'd love to be able to play in regular games of 40k and this is what GW "supposedly" is going to give us? I'm not above eating crow when the time comes if this stuff is true, but this just seems way too OTT. Some of it, maybe. But all of it? Nah, man - bogus.

I think the fact that one of these rumored new tanks is basically a direct copy from a LO poster's fan-made tank further suggests that these rumors are junk. Add to this conflicting LR armor values, conflicting chimera weapon options, and as you said the fact that GW will most likely not crank out a million new parts for variants that might not individually sell much.

Plus these rumors make me happy and if GW's past codex designs for my armies are any indication (chaos ) Then GW does not want me to be happy.

ph34r wrote:conflicting chimera weapon options

What conflicting Chimera Weapon Options? These are direct Copy-n-Paste from the Imperial Armour Vol. 2 Errata stats for the Chimera, which, knowing Forge World's propensity for Copy-n-Paste of rules, are probably directly from the new Guard Codex.