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BaronIveagh wrote:
Soladrin wrote:
Apart from chaos spilling into the entire galaxy and all that, but who cares right?


Let me ask you this: If the entire eldar empire imploding into the Eye of Terror didn't do that, why would Terra, as a single planet, do that?


To use an argument you apparently hate.

Because that's how it is written.

 
   
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Soladrin wrote:
BaronIveagh wrote:
Soladrin wrote:
Apart from chaos spilling into the entire galaxy and all that, but who cares right?


Let me ask you this: If the entire eldar empire imploding into the Eye of Terror didn't do that, why would Terra, as a single planet, do that?


To use an argument you apparently hate.

Because that's how it is written.

No it's not. It's written that the Emperor's death would leave the Golden Throne unoccupied, which would allow daemons into the unshielded part of the Webway connected to it, giving them direct access to Terra.

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Milisim wrote:Nothing changes if the emperor dies.


No, galaxy will be overrun by Chaos Legions but that is a minor thing since Tau are on the other side of the galaxy right

Why would anyone give that up because a body tied to a chair died?


Because that body tied to a chair is the only thing that prevents Chaos Gods from opening portals and summoning Daemon legions on every planet in the galaxy. He also safeguard Human souls meaning that Humans feed Chaos Gods only with emotions. Emperor is as important to Humans as Etherials are to the Tau, but if what you are saying is true then why would Tau change if all of their Etherial get killed?

I say 6E is in desperate need of a new Chaos uprising, Ork Waagh on a system and a hive fleet to head for Terra... Its abou tthe only way to make it interesting.... If the fluff dosent change I think people will tire of the same old same old and go play something else.....


I agree, let us put a large Tyranid fleet Leviathan level invading the Tau Empire. It will be good world campaign to decide the fate of the Tau, and it will be a good show seeing how Tau put everything they have to stop Tyranids. What we also need in 6 edition is more battles involving non-Humans, like Ilayden Craftworld battle. Or another big Ork-Tyranid war...

Durza wrote:
No it's not. It's written that the Emperor's death would leave the Golden Throne unoccupied, which would allow daemons into the unshielded part of the Webway connected to it, giving them direct access to Terra.


But who else in the Imperium has that kind of psychic power to replace him?
Without him everything fails for sure, and without barriers that Emperor made Terra will be vulnerable.

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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.


The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?

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If the emperor dies and this star child mentioned comes into the picture and the SM decide to go on a crusade to claim more worlds and what not couldn't that open up 40k to maybe new different alien armies possibly avoiding the wars and blah blah fluff fluff and advancement on other armies given the more intense offensive of the powerful SM/imperial guard? As in New tau allies and mechs, new chaos daemon spawn and CSM troops of newer fallen chapters not believing in the star child or just excused by some fluff to give CSM newer weapons or more unique weapons. Stuff like that?
It could all pretty much end with the star child just as crippled as the emperor giving a slight boost leading full circle.. Sort of playing threw a 2nd Horus Hersey, but not. I ask since alot of conversations iv sat in on and some people here seem to think if this happen it will be a sort of 'end' and I just figured I'd ask.

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Brother Coa wrote:
No, galaxy will be overrun by Chaos Legions but that is a minor thing since Tau are on the other side of the galaxy right


Yes, becasue we all know that all the heavily fortified worlds surrounding the Eye of Terror will immediately surrender without a fight and all the assorted Space Marine chapters instantly become fanged and tenticaled if the Emperor dies.

Brother Coa wrote:
Because that body tied to a chair is the only thing that prevents Chaos Gods from opening portals and summoning Daemon legions on every planet in the galaxy.


Source? Because I don't recall that being the fluff at all...

Brother Coa wrote:
But who else in the Imperium has that kind of psychic power to replace him?
Without him everything fails for sure, and without barriers that Emperor made Terra will be vulnerable.


What exactly does he do with that power? Because he doesn't power the astronomicon, that's been retconned. All he seems to do with all his power is plug a hole in the warp on Terra. And, BTW: they have already shown that other psykers can do it too, they just die after a short time.



 
   
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Brother Coa wrote:
Milisim wrote:Nothing changes if the emperor dies.


No, galaxy will be overrun by Chaos Legions but that is a minor thing since Tau are on the other side of the galaxy right

Again, no, the only thing that would be overrun would be Terra, and only then if no one thinks of putting one of those psykers they were planning to sacrifice anyway onto the throne.

Why would anyone give that up because a body tied to a chair died?


Because that body tied to a chair is the only thing that prevents Chaos Gods from opening portals and summoning Daemon legions on every planet in the galaxy. He also safeguard Human souls meaning that Humans feed Chaos Gods only with emotions. Emperor is as important to Humans as Etherials are to the Tau, but if what you are saying is true then why would Tau change if all of their Etherial get killed?

The Etherals were created to prevent the Tau tribes killing each other. Humanity did pretty well before the Emperor came along, all he did was unify them under a xenophobic regime. Also, to summon daemons, the gods require belief. That's it. The Emperor doesn't even factor into the equation except maybe on planets so close to Terra that there wouldn't be any chance to summon daemons anyway.

I say 6E is in desperate need of a new Chaos uprising, Ork Waagh on a system and a hive fleet to head for Terra... Its abou tthe only way to make it interesting.... If the fluff doesn't change I think people will tire of the same old same old and go play something else.....


I agree, let us put a large Tyranid fleet Leviathan level invading the Tau Empire. It will be good world campaign to decide the fate of the Tau, and it will be a good show seeing how Tau put everything they have to stop Tyranids. What we also need in 6 edition is more battles involving non-Humans, like Ilayden Craftworld battle. Or another big Ork-Tyranid war...

Or they could decide the fate of a few of those extra Space Marine chapters.

Durza wrote:
No it's not. It's written that the Emperor's death would leave the Golden Throne unoccupied, which would allow daemons into the unshielded part of the Webway connected to it, giving them direct access to Terra.


But who else in the Imperium has that kind of psychic power to replace him?
Without him everything fails for sure, and without barriers that Emperor made Terra will be vulnerable.

They don't need someone with the same power. Thousands are sacrificed to him every day, they could just cut out the middle man and put the psykers on the Throne. All they need is a minimum of 20 minutes from them if it's 2000 a day.

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Average sacrificial psycher is not anywhere near the raw power level to last more than a moment on the golden throne.


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Zakiriel wrote:Average sacrificial psycher is not anywhere near the raw power level to last more than a moment on the golden throne.


That's unknown. The problem is that relative psyker power levels are vague at best. It's also unknown if the Emperor survives because he's powerful, or survives because he's immortal. In fluff, others who have plopped thier asses down on the golden throne have lasted hours to weeks. So, the answer is 'whatever the plot requires'.



 
   
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AFAIK There was only one other to sit on the throne, other than the Emperor.

Magnus was destined to but never got the chance.

Who else sat on the Golden throne other than Malcador?

He died fairly quickly after that IIRC.

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He lasted long enough for the Emperor to storm the Chaos flagship, get cut to pieces and mind melt Horus, then get brought back. That's at least two hours.

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So 2 hours if the regent of terra, the mighiest human psyker that was ( not counting the superhumans ) tries it.
You know how fast you would burn the regulars out?

Its still unimportant as the throne room would be overrun and then terra, mars etc etc..

You can't get anyone able to hold the gate shut on that toilet seat before the flood gates are irreparably broken.
Because, those who want through would make sure they can without anyone closing it again.

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They could anticipate the Emperor's death if they watched him closely enough. There was enough time to switch out Malcador for the Emperor, so there should be enough time to switch normal humans. And since they sacrifice thousands to the Emperor every day, they only need about a minute from each one.

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Durza wrote:There was enough time to switch out Malcador for the Emperor, so there should be enough time to switch normal humans. And since they sacrifice thousands to the Emperor every day, they only need about a minute from each one.

Would these Psykers have the willpower to be able to hold shut the gate for any length of time, though? Would they be willing to suffer the agony for even that brief time to keep it shut? Is it really as simple as you plug someone in and they're drained or do they have to want to do it and actively hold the tear in the Webway shut?
   
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The Emporer die?

hahahahaha, you're kidding right?

He has lived for thousands of years fighting the chaos gods, he can survive for another 10,000; then Humanity will die (the Cabal said as much)
Also as GW hate ageing the plot of 40K those 10,000 years seem so much longer...

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Durza wrote:There was enough time to switch out Malcador for the Emperor, so there should be enough time to switch normal humans. And since they sacrifice thousands to the Emperor every day, they only need about a minute from each one.

Would these Psykers have the willpower to be able to hold shut the gate for any length of time, though? Would they be willing to suffer the agony for even that brief time to keep it shut? Is it really as simple as you plug someone in and they're drained or do they have to want to do it and actively hold the tear in the Webway shut?

If they can train Grey Knights so well that they never fall to Chaos despite facing what they do, they can train psykers to hold a rift shut for a minute.

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Highly unlikely, it would essentially destroy the human species. And like it or not, humans in 40k are here to stay.

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No. No. No. Stop it.

He ISN'T going to die, so the consequences for his death are irrelevant.

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infinite_array wrote:
orkoidSTD wrote:would it really change the universe that much if he died?


Yes, actually. The Astronominomnomnomicon would go out, which would then make ship travel through the warp impossible (the navigating part, at least. You can still do it, but there'd be no way to tell where you're coming out). And isn't there that Webway portal - the one Magnus busted through and released a good amount of daemons - that the Emperor is keeping closed? He dies, and Terra's going to be overrun.

And since the Focux of 40k is humanity, you basically have the entire IoM coming apart, where the only viable form of collective community is at the star system level.


how does the emperor, a corpse, keep that thing working? does his anus have magical properties of demon banishing or something? and i thought the astronomicon was powered by the souls of a million sacrificed psykers?


 
   
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orkoidSTD wrote:
infinite_array wrote:
orkoidSTD wrote:would it really change the universe that much if he died?


Yes, actually. The Astronominomnomnomicon would go out, which would then make ship travel through the warp impossible (the navigating part, at least. You can still do it, but there'd be no way to tell where you're coming out). And isn't there that Webway portal - the one Magnus busted through and released a good amount of daemons - that the Emperor is keeping closed? He dies, and Terra's going to be overrun.

And since the Focux of 40k is humanity, you basically have the entire IoM coming apart, where the only viable form of collective community is at the star system level.


how does the emperor, a corpse, keep that thing working? does his anus have magical properties of demon banishing or something? and i thought the astronomicon was powered by the souls of a million sacrificed psykers?

The Emperor isn't properly dead. His spirit is still in his body, held there by the thousands sacrificed to him daily. And the Astronomican is. It wouldn't go out without the Emperor.

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:Durza that is brilliant and I love you. Platonically.

1hadhq wrote:Once Durza was a wargamer like us, now corrupted by ponies..

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The Astronomicon is believed to be the manifestation of the Emperor's Will, but whatever physical thing it is made of exists in a different part of the Imperial Palace on Terra than the Golden Throne. It also predates the Emperor's Ascension, if memory serves. He might have been keeping it running in the back of his mind while he was tooling around, kicking ass, but the fluff on that is open to interpretation.

The 1000 psykers a day who are sacrificed to the Emperor are too weak to be of any use. The weakest of all sanctioned psykers, Astropaths, serve as IRC clients for the Imperium. Any weaker than this and your soul is consumed in the blinding light of the Emperor's psychic presence.

While the various grades of psyker ability are somewhat nebulous, even the most powerful of the "alpha-plus" psykers are impotent in comparison to the Emperor. This is a dude who was, in effect, a god incarnate.

It also bears noting that no one is sure what the Golden Throne really is. The Emperor didn't build it, that much is known, it was found on Terra and dug up out of the dirt in, iirc, what is now modern-day Turkey. I kinda get the impression that it's based on the "Space Jockey" from Ridley Scott's "Alien".

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Durza wrote:[


The Emperor isn't properly dead. His spirit is still in his body, held there by the thousands sacrificed to him daily. And the Astronomican is. It wouldn't go out without the Emperor.


you didnt answer my question about how he works it. also, how on earth does sacrificing physcics to someone keep them alive? does that work for everyone or just immortal god-beings? and what do you mean by "go out"? couldnt we just bulk up the number of pyskers being chopped?


 
   
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No. I don't think Games Workshop will kill of something that big. It doesn't sounds like them. Also, it would make more sense to kill off existing Chapter Masters and make new ones to make more money. If the Emperor did die, there would be a huge Eye of Terror.

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With enough creativity, it's definitely possible to advance the plot. It could even present a new opportunity to reboot the franchise (as if it's needed).

Here's one for instance.

The Emperor dies, and his soul is released to the warp, with all the consequences that dying incurs (astronomicon goes out etc).

There is a titanic battle as a result - the 'Last Battle' of the Eldar. Ynnead is born and takes out Slannesh.

The Orks unite under this huge conflict and Gorkamorka is unleashed upon the galaxy

The Emperor reasserts himself - being a being of the warp, he has evolved into a true 'God'.

The Tau make huge gains in territory, resources and understanding of the warp. Their 'greater good' takes on a life of its own as a warp entity, empowered by their belief in it.

These 4 entities are the 4 deities of order, a direct parallel to the 4 gods of chaos. They wrestle control of the galaxy and the warp swings towards order. Chaos is vanquished and fades into obscurity.

10000 years later, these 4 deities have imposed a tyrannical regime of order on the universe, and it is up to the brave forces of anarchy and freedom to liberate the galaxy!

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Foolworm wrote:With enough creativity, it's definitely possible to advance the plot. It could even present a new opportunity to reboot the franchise (as if it's needed).

Here's one for instance.

The Emperor dies, and his soul is released to the warp, with all the consequences that dying incurs (astronomicon goes out etc).

There is a titanic battle as a result - the 'Last Battle' of the Eldar. Ynnead is born and takes out Slannesh.

The Orks unite under this huge conflict and Gorkamorka is unleashed upon the galaxy

The Emperor reasserts himself - being a being of the warp, he has evolved into a true 'God'.

The Tau make huge gains in territory, resources and understanding of the warp. Their 'greater good' takes on a life of its own as a warp entity, empowered by their belief in it.

These 4 entities are the 4 deities of order, a direct parallel to the 4 gods of chaos. They wrestle control of the galaxy and the warp swings towards order. Chaos is vanquished and fades into obscurity.

10000 years later, these 4 deities have imposed a tyrannical regime of order on the universe, and it is up to the brave forces of anarchy and freedom to liberate the galaxy!

Viva Warhammer 50k!



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Durza wrote:Humanity did pretty well before the Emperor came along, all he did was unify them under a xenophobic regime.

Humanity had been devastated by Old Night. All across the galaxy, small pockets of humanity were vulnerable to being wiped out by a random Waagh, some other alien monsters, or undone from within by rampant psyker mutations.

Terra itself had been torn apart in the psy-wars, leaving a blasted wasteland filled with roaming bands of genetically-altered techno barbarians that spent most days slaughtering each other. Extinction was a very real possibility. Of course, even then we'd still probably be better off, but that's neither here nor there.

And did someone just suggest an Ork deity as a paragon of order?

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And Cue Massive Lawsuit from Micheal Moorcock.


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To be a fan in such times is to be one amongst untold millions. It is to live in the cruelest and most oppresive regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the promise of open domain and free use, for so much has been trademarked, never to be expired. Forget the concept of parody and fan-made, for in the grim dark present there is only lawsuits. There is no peace amongst the fanbase, only an eternity of litigation and ruination, and the jingling sound of cash tills.

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fluffywyvern wrote:My friends and I were thinking about what GW might do for the next edition of 40k. One of the things we discussed is that in the 5th edition Rulebook fluff, it mentions that the Adeptus on Terra are no longer able to fix the throne that keeps the Emperor alive. If this was followed through to it's logical conclusion I think that this will happen:

1) The Emperor will die in 6th edition plunging mankind into disarray

2) Chaos will take the opportunity to make a massive offensive on Terra. GW will therefore make the 6th edition boxset Marines versus Chaos. Probably some massive gaming event to go with it also.

3) To balance things out, the Emperor may use his power before he dies to bring back some Primarchs who have been lost/fallen.

4) The first codex after this would probably be Chaos.


You mention bringing the Primarchs back. I could see this happening. All the books I read sound like they are gearing up to bring them back. Russ talking about returning for the Final Battle. Gulliman in stasis with his wounds possibly healing. All I know is I will miss the CSM battlecry: "Death to the false emperor" if you are correct.

 
   
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Ya I have to say no way the emperor is going to die its just never going to happen they say the 6th Ed is going to be space marines VS chaos so at the most probably a new crusade or some other chaos invasion I believe





 
   
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I only have played 40K under 5th edition rules, so I'm not sure how the story has advanced or changed until now. I am pretty disappointed by what I am learning....it sounds as if the game is caught in a cycle of non-evolution.

If I were GW and thinking about my product - my main focus would be on advancing the story line to drive sales, and I'd be thinking an edition or two ahead to keep this going. Right now we seem to be in a cycle of one-upsmanship with regard to new codices - which results in a lot of ill will for those whose armies don't evolve at the same pace.

If I were GW, each edition would start with a major change in the human storyline. 6th edition would initiate with the death of the emperor. Humanity is in a state of chaos. Warp travel is dangerous and of very limited use. Psycher ability weakens tremendously. The imperium wars against itself and against the xenos trying to take advantage of the situation. This wouldn't destroy any of the current chapters - but it would throw their mission and roles into question. Sounds pretty grim and dark, and a nice way to shake things up a bit.

GW would then drive sales in 6th by introducing new models that build on this. Pockets of humanity evolve diffferently, likely trying to advance through technology. GW would introduce new models and codex errata that allow their use. We'd have things like jetbikes for Dark Angels, flying gunships for Marines, etc.. Same would go for Xenos trying to take advantage of the situation. You might have other races trying to fill the psychic gap - leading to unanticipated consequences....corrupted Tau, Nids that think beyond their stomach, etc.

The 7th edition would start with humans isolated, dwindling, but with pockets of high evolution. Areas would be protected by the Imperial Guard or Marine Chapters. Some huge event would kick the new edition off...maybe the return of a few primarchs to try to band humanity together, or the return of the Star Child...although not as powerful as originally hinted at. This would then lead to new models and sales.

Ideally, GW would have an evolving story line, with each army changing with every edition...maybe only slightly, but in a way that would require new models. There would be less focus on a new codex driving sales...ideally they could just publish a new codex every edition for each army - updating with the specific changes in that chapter, the new rule effects, and the new models.

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