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Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:It all comes down to how horrible a market miniature wargaming is really and the economic climate. The videogames market frankly is doing better due to the much better way it can be run. (though, similarly, piracy is still a big trouble). Its also done better through better use of Law to govern it; you really don't have to worry as much about blatant copies there. Which frees up money.

The grey knights release annoys me greatly; at the level of WAAAAAH!!!-ing. I agree; the background was ******; but at least the army was playable for once in recent times. The grey knights designs didn't need to be changed at all; they look fantastic as it is.

Okay, you keep going on and on about so-called 'copies'. What legal copies of GW's models exist? What legal reproductions of GW's works are out there? Also, even if you are using that term to mean third-party models that are not copies or reproductions but instead derivative works of GW's models and/or concepts (as I suspect that you are) what proof do you have to offer that the scant early release info that GW has provided us all in the past has lead to those third-party model makers getting a head start on their productions? I can not remember one third-party manufacturer producing something in a month or so of a release date meant to fill a hole left by GW in a new codex or army book. If I have missed one, or a direct statement by a third-party model producer proving their motivation, then I would like to see it.

The Dreadknight.

Time to join the fray..

Gw suck... if it is true, people (myself included) like to know roughly when the next update is, so for example back when lizardmen were re released (we got it good i think ,released with one of the last £15 for 10 elite infantry) i sold a few bits and saved up £200, so i could go buy lots of stuff on day of release (not from Gw, all i would get for that is 2 stegadons, but they expensive because they have 87 different head options, including one slightly simple one)


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Mr Hyena wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:It all comes down to how horrible a market miniature wargaming is really and the economic climate. The videogames market frankly is doing better due to the much better way it can be run. (though, similarly, piracy is still a big trouble). Its also done better through better use of Law to govern it; you really don't have to worry as much about blatant copies there. Which frees up money.

The grey knights release annoys me greatly; at the level of WAAAAAH!!!-ing. I agree; the background was ******; but at least the army was playable for once in recent times. The grey knights designs didn't need to be changed at all; they look fantastic as it is.

Okay, you keep going on and on about so-called 'copies'. What legal copies of GW's models exist? What legal reproductions of GW's works are out there? Also, even if you are using that term to mean third-party models that are not copies or reproductions but instead derivative works of GW's models and/or concepts (as I suspect that you are) what proof do you have to offer that the scant early release info that GW has provided us all in the past has lead to those third-party model makers getting a head start on their productions? I can not remember one third-party manufacturer producing something in a month or so of a release date meant to fill a hole left by GW in a new codex or army book. If I have missed one, or a direct statement by a third-party model producer proving their motivation, then I would like to see it.

The Dreadknight.

Thunderwolf cavalry
a bunch of heroes from the company who's name i can't remember, but they make heroes for fantasy

Kroothawk wrote:

sharkticon wrote:This was essentially confirmed at my local GW today. I was told what we would know what we need to know when we need to know it, and that complaining on the internet was bad for the hobby (store manager's exact words).

And from now on, there are some stricter rules in GW stores:

1.) Customers only speak when addressed by the staff.
2.) If they are allowed to speak, every sentence has to begin and end with "Sir" as seem fit when addressing a superior.

BTW never again call the 40k Imperium of Man a grimdark dystopia, but a shining example of how a state should be run.

You forgot one;

sharkticon wrote:This was essentially confirmed at my local GW today. I was told what we would know what we need to know when we need to know it, and that complaining on the internet was bad for the hobby (store manager's exact words).

Were they passing out kool-aid to help swallow the enormous amount of bullcrap he was spewing too?

Mr Hyena wrote:The Dreadknight.

There are knock-off Dreadknights being sold? I know a lot of modellers were kitbashing their own, but this is the first I've heard of a copyright-infringing product being sold as a stand-in DK.

hlaine.larkin wrote:Thunderwolf cavalry

The difference there may be more subtle than you realise. The Forge World guys only said that they wouldn't be making TWC because GW was going to tackle them... after all the TWC knock-offs began to appear everywhere. Who came first, chicken/egg etc. etc.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:It all comes down to how horrible a market miniature wargaming is really and the economic climate. The videogames market frankly is doing better due to the much better way it can be run. (though, similarly, piracy is still a big trouble). Its also done better through better use of Law to govern it; you really don't have to worry as much about blatant copies there. Which frees up money.

The grey knights release annoys me greatly; at the level of WAAAAAH!!!-ing. I agree; the background was ******; but at least the army was playable for once in recent times. The grey knights designs didn't need to be changed at all; they look fantastic as it is.

Okay, you keep going on and on about so-called 'copies'. What legal copies of GW's models exist? What legal reproductions of GW's works are out there? Also, even if you are using that term to mean third-party models that are not copies or reproductions but instead derivative works of GW's models and/or concepts (as I suspect that you are) what proof do you have to offer that the scant early release info that GW has provided us all in the past has lead to those third-party model makers getting a head start on their productions? I can not remember one third-party manufacturer producing something in a month or so of a release date meant to fill a hole left by GW in a new codex or army book. If I have missed one, or a direct statement by a third-party model producer proving their motivation, then I would like to see it.

The Dreadknight.

Could I please have a link? I do not remember a Dread Knight alternative, or possibly did not notice it when the forum was discussing it.


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hlaine.larkin wrote:Time to join the fray..

Gw suck... if it is true, people (myself included) like to know roughly when the next update is, so for example back when lizardmen were re released (we got it good i think ,released with one of the last £15 for 10 elite infantry) i sold a few bits and saved up £200, so i could go buy lots of stuff on day of release (not from Gw, all i would get for that is 2 stegadons, but they expensive because they have 87 different head options, including one slightly simple one)


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Mr Hyena wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:It all comes down to how horrible a market miniature wargaming is really and the economic climate. The videogames market frankly is doing better due to the much better way it can be run. (though, similarly, piracy is still a big trouble). Its also done better through better use of Law to govern it; you really don't have to worry as much about blatant copies there. Which frees up money.

The grey knights release annoys me greatly; at the level of WAAAAAH!!!-ing. I agree; the background was ******; but at least the army was playable for once in recent times. The grey knights designs didn't need to be changed at all; they look fantastic as it is.

Okay, you keep going on and on about so-called 'copies'. What legal copies of GW's models exist? What legal reproductions of GW's works are out there? Also, even if you are using that term to mean third-party models that are not copies or reproductions but instead derivative works of GW's models and/or concepts (as I suspect that you are) what proof do you have to offer that the scant early release info that GW has provided us all in the past has lead to those third-party model makers getting a head start on their productions? I can not remember one third-party manufacturer producing something in a month or so of a release date meant to fill a hole left by GW in a new codex or army book. If I have missed one, or a direct statement by a third-party model producer proving their motivation, then I would like to see it.

The Dreadknight.

Thunderwolf cavalry
a bunch of heroes from the company who's name i can't remember, but they make heroes for fantasy

Once again, could I please have a link with a date? I do not remember any Thunderwolf Cavalry alternative models being released so soon after the Space Wolves codex was released. As for the heroes, I believe that you are referring to Avatars of War? As far as I am aware none of their models were made in response to gaps in the model line created by a new GW army book. If I am incorrect about that assessment, could I please have some facts to contradict me?

Those goddam copyists even made a thunderwolf movie before the Codex was released



But if you look at the details of GW's Tervigon and Thunderwolf models, noone else comes close

But I hope we can get back on topic, even if some members continually try to get this thread off topic.

Maybe with this further confirmation of the original rumours by an Australian GW store manager (posted by Deadpool101 over at Warseer) :

At my local GW store the manager informed me yesterday that they were no longer going to get preview black boxes. No upcomming stuff. The staff now get it the same day as everyone else does.

Another tidbit about preorders for the Razorwing going up, by Dezartfox over at Warseer:

It was due to go up on the GW site last wednesday. But with their new marketing strategy, you wont see it on their site til a week before release now.

Time to say goodbye to the last bit of something like a marketing strategy by GW

Its good to see some confirmation from different sources of my news. I hope all the dakkites that refused to believe it and couldn't help themselves with the 'salt' have taken notice. If I ever post news or a rumour, believe me I won't do it unless I know at that point in time that it's the truth. It's a wonder that anyone ever posts any news or rumours when they jumped on by people declaring that it can't possibly be true because it hasn't been posted by a 'trusted' rumour poster.

Anyway, rant over. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, however news it still is

Actually it's not good to see confirmations for your news, but I know what you mean

Kroothawk wrote:Actually it's not good to see confirmations for your news, but I know what you mean

Very true. Whilst I'm pleased, I wish it were in better circumstances!

Ah, GW, where possession of even half a brain, let alone the whole thing, is clearly grounds for termination.

GW needs a wake up call. I think we should email their websites telling them what we don't like. Maybe not buy anything GW for a month or two. If they got hit with say 10,000 emails or so I bet it would get their attention. Or if they started losing money. Just a suggestion

Neither would work with GW. They tend to ignore the internet, unless suing someone, and a boycott is nearly impossible to enforce, and they know it.

dawnofthedead wrote:Maybe not buy anything GW for a month or two.

Another slacktivist. Not buying anything from GW "for a month or two" is never going to work, because you have just announced that even if GW completely ignores your demands, you'll come crawling back. If you want to actually achieve anything, you have to not buy anything ever again until GW complies with your demands.

Unfortunately, I haven't bought anything from them for two years now and that so far I've seen no result.

BaronIveagh wrote:Unfortunately, I haven't bought anything from them for two years now and that so far I've seen no result.

One person's dollar is a drop in the bucket, but when even just 1 in 10 of us starts to do this...that's more than enough to trigger a drop in profits that will have an impact on their stock.

I and a friend intend to go up to Nottingham in a few weeks and see if we can find out anything as to why they want their business to die. Even if they tell us to p*** off, at least then we'll know for certainty their attitude towards we the consumers. Although we kind of know that already from the Facebook incident of a few days ago.

Scarey Nerd
Post 2011/05/21 07:57:03 Subject: Re:News about changes to GW's product release marketing
I and a friend intend to go up to Nottingham in a few weeks and see if we can find out anything as to why they want their business to die. Even if they tell us to p*** off, at least then we'll know for certainty their attitude towards we the consumers. Although we kind of know that already from the Facebook incident of a few days ago.

I'll be videoing it, you guys said you wanted proof...

P.S, honestly not kidding.

Scarey Nerd wrote:I and a friend intend to go up to Nottingham in a few weeks and see if we can find out anything as to why they want their business to die. Even if they tell us to p*** off, at least then we'll know for certainty their attitude towards we the consumers. Although we kind of know that already from the Facebook incident of a few days ago.

Since I missed it, what facebook incident?

BaronIveagh wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:I and a friend intend to go up to Nottingham in a few weeks and see if we can find out anything as to why they want their business to die. Even if they tell us to p*** off, at least then we'll know for certainty their attitude towards we the consumers. Although we kind of know that already from the Facebook incident of a few days ago.

Since I missed it, what facebook incident?

People complained on the GW Facebook page, they responded with, basically, "LALALALANOTLISTENINGLALALA"

BaronIveagh wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:I and a friend intend to go up to Nottingham in a few weeks and see if we can find out anything as to why they want their business to die. Even if they tell us to p*** off, at least then we'll know for certainty their attitude towards we the consumers. Although we kind of know that already from the Facebook incident of a few days ago.

Since I missed it, what facebook incident?

The webguys got fed up with having to delete posts about the price raises/shipping changes all over the walls for the regional GW sites, so they locked the walls down and made a single posting where people could reply with their comments on it.

hmmm... Yes, reading this i can see why people would be pissed off.

In a nutshell: "When we do it, it6's good, and when anyone else does it, they're destroying our hobby!"

Scarey Nerd wrote:I and a friend intend to go up to Nottingham in a few weeks and see if we can find out anything as to why they want their business to die. Even if they tell us to p*** off, at least then we'll know for certainty their attitude towards we the consumers. Although we kind of know that already from the Facebook incident of a few days ago.

I wish you best of luck. Heck you could try wandering into their HQ and poking your nose about for information.

So I now have the exact details of how the new releases system is going to work. Basically all new releases will be on the same day every month, and this day will be the 1st Saturday of whatever month it happens to be. The first anyone will know of the releases will be when they are put up for pre-order exactly 1 week before the release date. So the 'announcement' if you can call it that happens when pre-orders are put on the website on the last Saturday of the month, followed a week later by the actual release.

There will be no more incoming emails as we know them, but will probably come in the form of 'Incoming: Pre-order them now!". White Dwarf will be out on the same day as the new products are on general release, so the first Saturday of the month. White Dwarf subscribers will no longer get their issues 1 week early. Also the Black Box will not be instore until the release day either.

At the minute I'm not sure whether White Dwarf will still have the teaser on the back page, which I'm inclined to think it won't. So just to confirm then that the first time we will know anything about any new releases will be on the last Saturday of the month when the Pre-Orders appear on the website, probably with an email of sorts, 1 week before they go on general release and can be purchased in store.

We will see this start happening after the release of Storm of Magic in July. So unfortunately I wouldn't expect any more Incoming emails until the last Saturday of July when pre-orders will go up for the 1st new release in the first week of August.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, I think this is everything that concerns the new process. If you have any questions then please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them .

Also, something I forgot to mention which is more of an afterthought really. I know GW employees generally don't know of upcoming releases that far in advance, although sometimes there are circumstances where they might have been made aware in order for them to make plans for their stores. When this kicks in, GW staff members will not know anything at all until the same day as me and you, when the preorders go up on the website! Whilst it's entirely possible that an odd store manager may have seen/heard something with regard to an upcoming release, the majority of hobby centre staff/trade account customers will not have been told anything. I know a lot of guys on the forums refuse to believe anything which comes from the mouths of GW employees as a rule, regardless of if it turns out to be true. Pretty much from now you can be 100% sure that they won't know anything about new releases so it's best not to ask in the first place. This is because a) they will do a good job and tell you that they don't know anything and point you in the direction of something already released which you may be interested in. Or b) do a very bad job and declare that 'x' is being released in the next few months and the new codex/models are awesome, followed by 'y' and possibly 'z' if you're lucky. If they do choose option b then be aware that there is a small possibility that it's true, however 99.9% of the time it'll be nonsense. And to save yourself even more ridicule than which you would get currently, please don't announce in a brand new thread that you know something 'because a store manager told you so.'

Put it this way, any store manager worth their salt wouldn't tell you what's coming even if they did know. And starting from pretty much right now, they won't know anything at all anyway as they don't need to make plans for events/releases so far in advance anymore.

Sorry for the loooong post!

The Decapitator wrote:So I now have the exact details of how the new releases system is going to work. Basically all new releases will be on the same day every month, and this day will be the 1st Saturday of whatever month it happens to be. The first anyone will know of the releases will be when they are put up for pre-order exactly 1 week before the release date. So the 'announcement' if you can call it that happens when pre-orders are put on the website on the last Saturday of the month, followed a week later by the actual release.

There will be no more incoming emails as we know them, but will probably come in the form of 'Incoming: Pre-order them now!". White Dwarf will be out on the same day as the new products are on general release, so the first Saturday of the month. White Dwarf subscribers will no longer get their issues 1 week early. Also the Black Box will not be instore until the release day either.

At the minute I'm not sure whether White Dwarf will still have the teaser on the back page, which I'm inclined to think it won't. So just to confirm then that the first time we will know anything about any new releases will be on the last Saturday of the month when the Pre-Orders appear on the website, probably with an email of sorts, 1 week before they go on general release and can be purchased in store.

We will see this start happening after the release of Storm of Magic in July. So unfortunately I wouldn't expect any more Incoming emails until the last Saturday of July when pre-orders will go up for the 1st new release in the first week of August.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, I think this is everything that concerns the new process. If you have any questions then please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them .

Yeah, I have a question. How are GW still functioning as a company? Honestly, do they have a marketing department? And are they run by the guys that cancelled Firefly?

Scarey Nerd wrote:

The Decapitator wrote:So I now have the exact details of how the new releases system is going to work. Basically all new releases will be on the same day every month, and this day will be the 1st Saturday of whatever month it happens to be. The first anyone will know of the releases will be when they are put up for pre-order exactly 1 week before the release date. So the 'announcement' if you can call it that happens when pre-orders are put on the website on the last Saturday of the month, followed a week later by the actual release.

There will be no more incoming emails as we know them, but will probably come in the form of 'Incoming: Pre-order them now!". White Dwarf will be out on the same day as the new products are on general release, so the first Saturday of the month. White Dwarf subscribers will no longer get their issues 1 week early. Also the Black Box will not be instore until the release day either.

At the minute I'm not sure whether White Dwarf will still have the teaser on the back page, which I'm inclined to think it won't. So just to confirm then that the first time we will know anything about any new releases will be on the last Saturday of the month when the Pre-Orders appear on the website, probably with an email of sorts, 1 week before they go on general release and can be purchased in store.

We will see this start happening after the release of Storm of Magic in July. So unfortunately I wouldn't expect any more Incoming emails until the last Saturday of July when pre-orders will go up for the 1st new release in the first week of August.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, I think this is everything that concerns the new process. If you have any questions then please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them .

Yeah, I have a question. How are GW still functioning as a company? Honestly, do they have a marketing department? And are they run by the guys that cancelled Firefly?

Whilst I appreciate the question, maybe I should have been more specific.

Unfortunately, as I'm not an employee of GW I am unable to give anything but my own personal comments/opinions in reply to your post. And to be honest, I'd rather not give those!

So to re-phrase, if anyone had any questions with regards to the new release schedule plans then feel free to ask and I shall so my best to answer them.

Yeah. Still not believing it.

Nothing against you, but this doesn't seem remotely feasible.
One release date per month, I can see that.

But there's no point in preorders if it's the week before the release.

GW truly has no intellect when it comes to marketing. They haven't a clue how to do it, they just expect the money will come all on it's own. What happens when stores don't get enough product because 1 week is garbage for pre-orders? At some point that stuff has to ship, are they going to overnight massive numbers of orders now to fulfill preorders? WTF?

If they think keeping the world in the dark is going to be good for business, they're complete marketing newbs.

I bet they think "Oh, gee, well, uh, if we can stifle the internet rumors and prevent people from getting excited about our products outside of the store, it will make going into the store more exciting for our peasants and it will cram our broom-closet shops full of stinking hot bodies ready to spill their wallet-seed at least two weekends every month."

Yeah GW? Think so, huh? We'll see. Love how they're jacking around their customers and doing everything the wrong way these days.

The Decapitator wrote:So I now have the exact details of how the new releases system is going to work.

I call this the Non-Proliferation Act for GW products

Scarey Nerd wrote:Honestly, do they have a marketing department?

Everyone knows that they don't believe in marketing, the marketing department was made redundant years ago
You know what: They believe in word of mouth ... and now they get it

When nobody is playing their games in their shops, when nobody is buying their product, when nobody KNOWS about their product, how the hell do they expect word of mouth to do a damn bit of good? Idiots.