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I like Faction pure builds, but I occaisionally take some romulan stuff on my Klingon vessels... I like Invasion plans a lot, lol

Other than a few properly hardcore every ship, upgrade and capt must do a specific job players, my local meta seems to have gone to fairly pure builds at quite a quick pace.

The one big exception to that is the martock, gowron and donatra combo of capts in a klingon fleet. That's the one im getting bored of playing. A negh'var being able to get 8 attack dice at close range just isn't fun. Even a cloak will rarely save you from that.

I think part of the skill involved in attack wing, esp now most factions have a decent spread of ships and capts, is playing around your fleets weaknesses.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
What do you guys think? Would faction pure fleets actually bring about more diversity in the builds? We might see koloth in more klingon fleets than picard or dominon players might actually use thot gor.

With pure faction builds you run a good chance of getting the same thing happening in X-Wing -- spam.

To me those type of upgrades are to keep big, expensive alive and useful. When you're cut off from taking those upgrades why take that ship then? When you could just squeeze in multiple cheap ships. A Pure Dominon fleet would be could just spam lvl 1 patrol ships; Romulans have the Science Vessel and now the Vo and all you need is one CPT to be Donatra, and the Klingon's D7 with Gowron (which was actually my fleey for the Month 1 OP and won --- granted there were only 3 players including myself) or (LE) Martok.

Yes, I know with spam fleets terrain is big factor, but some of us probably learned from X-Wing how to overcome that with Tie-Fighter spam and asteroids.

Somy answer is no pure faction builds; because I want to build my Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order Attack Fleet to properly obliterate the Founders.

 Pound Puppy wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
What do you guys think? Would faction pure fleets actually bring about more diversity in the builds? We might see koloth in more klingon fleets than picard or dominon players might actually use thot gor.

With pure faction builds you run a good chance of getting the same thing happening in X-Wing -- spam.

To me those type of upgrades are to keep big, expensive alive and useful. When you're cut off from taking those upgrades why take that ship then? When you could just squeeze in multiple cheap ships. A Pure Dominon fleet would be could just spam lvl 1 patrol ships; Romulans have the Science Vessel and now the Vo and all you need is one CPT to be Donatra, and the Klingon's D7 with Gowron (which was actually my fleey for the Month 1 OP and won --- granted there were only 3 players including myself) or (LE) Martok.

Yes, I know with spam fleets terrain is big factor, but some of us probably learned from X-Wing how to overcome that with Tie-Fighter spam and asteroids.

Somy answer is no pure faction builds; because I want to build my Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order Attack Fleet to properly obliterate the Founders.

I don't think you understood the question, He's not saying "Ban mixed fleets" he's saying Faction Pure builds might be more viable now with the more ships we get. Romulans have kinda gotten the short end of the stick with the crappy VO recently, but they're getting the Gal'Gath'Ong here in 2 months, it looks to be a more midrangey ship than the Vo was supposed to be.

You can do whatever you like, you can build your all D'Deridex/Keldon class army to represent the Tal'Shiar/Obsidian Alliance, we're just saying it might play better if you keep it in the family, (donatra on a warbird, Damar on a Keldon,etc.)

It's getting to the point where Picard on everything isn't going to be as viable.

Nope, I didn't misunderstand the questions since the questions were "What do you guys think?" and "Would faction pure fleets actually bring about more diversity in the builds?"

So I answered the first question by stating it turn into a game of spam of low point ships and the second question as to why it would turn into spam and gave examples of how "diverse" it would get.

Because most of the people I play with play Star Wars X-Wing but also play the Attack Wing because of the mix-matching you can do.

 Pound Puppy wrote:

Because most of the people I play with play Star Wars X-Wing but also play the Attack Wing because of the mix-matching you can do.

I totally agree.
Personally I prefer seeing and playing pure fleets.

But, the ability to mix and match ships, capts and upgrades is what makes attack wing so good. Watching your opponent setting up and almost being more interested in what capts are piloting the ships than the actual ships themselves is what will, hopefully, keep the game a bit fresher than x-wing, esp when new releases start to slow down.

 Pound Puppy wrote:
With pure faction builds you run a good chance of getting the same thing happening in X-Wing -- spam.

To me those type of upgrades are to keep big, expensive alive and useful. When you're cut off from taking those upgrades why take that ship then? When you could just squeeze in multiple cheap ships. A Pure Dominon fleet would be could just spam lvl 1 patrol ships; Romulans have the Science Vessel and now the Vo and all you need is one CPT to be Donatra, and the Klingon's D7 with Gowron (which was actually my fleey for the Month 1 OP and won --- granted there were only 3 players including myself) or (LE) Martok.

Yes, I know with spam fleets terrain is big factor, but some of us probably learned from X-Wing how to overcome that with Tie-Fighter spam and asteroids.

Somy answer is no pure faction builds; because I want to build my Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order Attack Fleet to properly obliterate the Founders.

I don't see the multiple small ships beimg a problem in Attack Wing. In X-Wing the big key to the tie swarm is the roll amd the fact that ships have lower attacks and hull values.

5 jem h'dar fighters is not going to do much to a fleet with 3 big cloaking ships. Same thing goes for the science vessel. The only ship I think that could viable be a consistent swam ship right now is the B'rel class. 4 or 5 of those would be a concern, but the fact that its an op prize limits that.

I give props to anyone flying a D7 swarm, but I doubt it could consistently hold out against fleets of valdors, neg'vars, & vorchas.


Sorry for any confusion but I was mainly thinking pure ships in a fleet. Otherwise people wouldn't be able to really use the ferengi marauder, tholian ship, gorn, and bajoran.

But there isn't a Tholian or Gorn ship right now, lol

http://www.universaldist.com/pre-orders.aspx?Command=Schedule

If you scroll to the bottom of this page it appears that later this year we'll see a Mirror Universe Defiant, Chang's Bird of Prey and the Scimitar

I really hope chang's BoP is a B'Rel and I am stocked about the scimitar. I really hated that movie but I want my romulans to have more teeth

Likewise Baldrick, it wasn't a great movie but my primary faction is Romulan and I want a big badass ship capable of going toe to toe with a Jem'Hadar battleship

AND Reman boarding parties!

I love how we're getting NX-01 BEFORE NCC-1701-B...

If they released B, we'd get ANOTHER TUVOK!!! lol

I suspect Chang's BoP will be a b'rel class.

Also, anyone else notice that the I.K.S Som'Raw isn't on that list, yet is confirmed for the next wave?

I believe I saw the Som'Raw in the list it was closer tomthe middle.

Either way, I'm still miffed we're not getting the Enterprise-B anytime in the next year...

Yeah Somraw was on the list.

For the Enterprise-B you can always use Excelsior!
I'm more miffed at still no Enterprise-C, such a long wait for Enterprise-E, no Constellation class, no retail Nebula class etc.....

emperorpenguin wrote:
Yeah Somraw was on the list.

For the Enterprise-B you can always use Excelsior!
I'm more miffed at still no Enterprise-C, such a long wait for Enterprise-E, no Constellation class, no retail Nebula class etc.....

Well, to be fair, the Nebula class isn't really a combat vehicle, it didn't even really see heavy deployment in the dominion war. The only ships we really saw in large engagements were Akira, Excelsior, Saber, Miranda, and Galaxy Classes.

Either way, I was hoping for more Klingon ships this next year, oh well...

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Well, to be fair, the Nebula class isn't really a combat vehicle, ...

Not sure why you think that!? One single Nebula class caused lots of problems for the Cardassians (USS Phoenix), it's basically a smaller Galaxy class, as it appears in Attack Wing too


http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2014/01/02/star-trek-attack-wing-wave-3-4th-division-battleship/

Preview for the Jem'Hadar battleship is up!

emperorpenguin wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Well, to be fair, the Nebula class isn't really a combat vehicle, ...

Not sure why you think that!? One single Nebula class caused lots of problems for the Cardassians (USS Phoenix), it's basically a smaller Galaxy class, as it appears in Attack Wing too


http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2014/01/02/star-trek-attack-wing-wave-3-4th-division-battleship/

Preview for the Jem'Hadar battleship is up!

it caused problems for Non-military Cardassian vessels... If those were Galor class the Phoenix would've been in trouble.

EDIT: Holy crap that is one sweet package of evil... our local Dominion player is going to be happy.

Now, if only Klingons got more than one ship this year...

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

it caused problems for Non-military Cardassian vessels... If those were Galor class the Phoenix would've been in trouble. .

It did fight Galor or Keldon class ships and destroyed them even after taking a hit with its shields down! http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Wounded_(episode)

And it DID take part in the Dominion war

The Nebula-class was present in several major Federation engagements against the Borg, including the Battle of Wolf 359 and the Battle of Sector 001. (DS9: "Emissary"; Star Trek: First Contact) They were also present in numerous Dominion War battles, including the Second Battle of Chin'toka and Battle of Cardassia. (DS9: "The Changing Face of Evil", "What You Leave Behind").

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nebula_class

emperorpenguin wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

it caused problems for Non-military Cardassian vessels... If those were Galor class the Phoenix would've been in trouble. .

It did fight Galor or Keldon class ships and destroyed them even after taking a hit with its shields down! http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Wounded_(episode)


http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nebula_class

Actually, there was only one Galor class vessel in that episode, the other ship destroyed was a 50 man supply ship. The last ship in that episode was another Transport ship.

:/

I won't deny it was indeed involved in the dominion war, however, it doesn't have a great track record of surviving many battles.

PS, the Keldon Class wasn't actually in service until the Dominion war. It was supposed to be the Cardassian equivalent of the Sovereign Class.

Regardless of how many Galors it destroyed, it did do so, so not quite sure why you think it's some kind of science ship?

If we're going on track records of surviving battles, that'd make the D'deridex a disaster!

emperorpenguin wrote:
Regardless of how many Galors it destroyed, it did do so, so not quite sure why you think it's some kind of science ship?

If we're going on track records of surviving battles, that'd make the D'deridex a disaster!

Umm, I said it wasn't a dedicated combat vehicle, I didn't say it was a mere science ship, you're putting words in my mouth.

Not sure why you care so much?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

emperorpenguin wrote:
Yeah Somraw was on the list.

For the Enterprise-B you can always use Excelsior!
I'm more miffed at still no Enterprise-C, such a long wait for Enterprise-E, no Constellation class, no retail Nebula class etc.....

Well, to be fair, the Nebula class isn't really a combat vehicle, it didn't even really see heavy deployment in the dominion war. The only ships we really saw in large engagements were Akira, Excelsior, Saber, Miranda, and Galaxy Classes.

Either way, I was hoping for more Klingon ships this next year, oh well...

Didn't a lone Nebula clean up against the Cardassians in the TNG episode The Wounded? Also, they must have appeared in the Dominion War...Ex Astris noted 3 different models (1 physical and two CGI?) of the Nebukla from battle and patrol shots. Besides, the Nebula is my favorite. :(

But you bring up a good point about the disappointing lack of Akira and Ambassador classes.

What are the odds of seeing the All Good Things ships, like the 3-nacelled Enterprise or the Klingon 'Voodieh' class?


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 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

emperorpenguin wrote:
Regardless of how many Galors it destroyed, it did do so, so not quite sure why you think it's some kind of science ship?

If we're going on track records of surviving battles, that'd make the D'deridex a disaster!

Umm, I said it wasn't a dedicated combat vehicle, I didn't say it was a mere science ship, you're putting words in my mouth.

Not sure why you care so much?

The Federation officially has only one class of dedicated combat vessel in production. Every other class of ship is 'just' an explorer, even if some of them are designed to explore the insides of whole enemy fleets.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to the Jem'Hadar Battleship. But what I really want is to know what Captains we're getting. I've determined that Gul'Dukat is an overused middleweight captain and Weyoun is an underused captain who is overpowered against certain fleets, but there is yet to be that ridiculously overpowered combo that the Feds, Klingons, Independants or Romulans get. The Dominion are a faction of great ships with middling to awful captains\, and that needs to be fixed before Dominion players like my roommate get bored with the game.

http://www.universaldist.com/images/document/STAW%20Wave%209%20Quick%20Solicit.pdf

Pics of the October releases for this year - another Defiant but two new sculpts 'wings-up' Bird of Prey and the Scimitar

thecactusman17 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to the Jem'Hadar Battleship. But what I really want is to know what Captains we're getting. I've determined that Gul'Dukat is an overused middleweight captain and Weyoun is an underused captain who is overpowered against certain fleets, but there is yet to be that ridiculously overpowered combo that the Feds, Klingons, Independants or Romulans get. The Dominion are a faction of great ships with middling to awful captains\, and that needs to be fixed before Dominion players like my roommate get bored with the game.

A shot of the captains is over on BGG, it is a skill7 weyoun, and another named vorta that has an ability to put damage on an enemy ship at range 1.




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emperorpenguin wrote:
http://www.universaldist.com/images/document/STAW%20Wave%209%20Quick%20Solicit.pdf

Pics of the October releases for this year - another Defiant but two new sculpts 'wings-up' Bird of Prey and the Scimitar

Thanks for sharing, looks like we are finally getting that BoP with the raised wings looks like a different sculpt than the ch'tang & koraga.

Yup, it and the Scimitar are two completely new sculpts

Dice tower has a preview for wave 3 up on you tube. Lots of nice things on the way. Romulans get a boost with the gal goth thong. Some interesting things on the equinox. The somraw is a little meh.

Yup, was just on my way to post, here is the link for anyone interested

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1097005/dice-tower-wave-3-review-is-up

Romulan bird of prey is great, about time they got another decent ship!

Dominion battleship has no rear arc, going to need to cover that thing's flanks with attack ships or Breen

Somraw is ok

Equinox is ok

Yeah it is nice to have something for romulan fans tomget excited about. Though it does irritate me that the MASSACRE from the Vo set is a discard and the Gelnon vorta captain, jem hadar battleship, is just an action to rolltto damage dice against someone.


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So last week I showed off the Klingons well this week it's my other favorite faction the Romulans...

The Romulan Neutral Zone Patrol: 1 Valdor, 9 Warbirds, 4 Science Vessels, and 2 BoP.



Some times we house rule that you can use multiple of the named Praetus because the generic is kinda useless. The science vessels don't see much action, but I really like the Interphase Generator It will not be long until the Gal'Gath Thong gets added to the fleet for some TOS love, going to need at least 2 of those. I think I may add 2 more Valdors for some tricksy schemes I am thinking.

Hope you enjoy.