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How did I miss this the first time around? Lovely models.

 CreatureCaster wrote:
Treewoman might make it in as a stretch goal. Same with the Zombie Dragon. We are working around the clock to get the plague demon back in there. There will not be any small scale 28 mil figs in this campaign, only epics.

Have the Treewoman and you have me

I hope the Zombie Dragon makes it in...so awesome!

Oh no, I'll just have to stay up drinking to pass the night until 2am, what a shame!

Any particular reason why the Emperor Dragon is so much more expensive?


Also what sort of early bird deals are we talking about here?

 Snrub wrote:
Any particular reason why the Emperor Dragon is so much more expensive?

Because despite what you might have heard, size matters.

And detail too - probably!

I kinda figured it'd have to be fethhueg to warrant being double the price. But is it really THAT much bigger then the other (already quite massive) models?

Is there any comparison shots out there?

 CreatureCaster wrote:
We have models planned for the second wave, among them is a golem. After the campaign I will start up design threads so we can all get involved and create the creatures that we want and need. In the meantime, if you had any ideas or reference for a golem, or a miniature you would love to see made, start posting them in here and it will give me something to think about.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! So awesome

Second wave, does that mean, a future campaign / release, not a part of this one, right? I will post up a bunch of images that I think are great inspiration, although I'm sure you guys will put your own spin on any creation . This may happen right after AdeptiCon as I'm paining like a madman still (almost done!).

Also:

CreatureCaster wrote:Hey guys. The Kickstarter is indeed on April 19th. I hit the launch button at 12:00 EST (New York)

Excellent to know, thanks for coming in here to post it

Absolutely love that Vulture Demon. I love how it captures the ever changing nature of Tzeent- I mean, an ever-changing, Chaotic force.

I will likely pledge for one when the Kickstarter starts up.

Excited about this kickstarter, but have a couple concerns. What resolution are the figures being printed at and will any post printing work be done on the figs. I ask because a local painter is doing some work for another kickstater and upon getting the model to paint, he had to do significant smoothing and sanding on the fig prior to painting due to the printing layers being visible. This was for a Golden Demon level paint job that would be use for promotion of the figs.

Seeing the layers on the figs he was working on has me concerned about throwing money at these figs.

the 3d prints are used as masters for the resin molds. go check the vids on the site. lots of good stuff there.

Thanks for the supportive comments everyone.

Any particular reason why the Emperor Dragon is so much more expensive?

Our prices are largely based on the amount, size and weigh of the parts that need to be cast for a model kit. We generated out first series of cost estimates based on the computer renderings. When we began to do test prints, we realized that the dragons, while being huge, are not so huge as to warrant a 200 dollar price tag. In fact, the dragons strikes, what I consider to be, an excellent balance between size and value. The dragons will cost a fair amount less than 200, but still more than 120. That is as close an estimate I can give you before launch.

Also what sort of early bird deals are we talking about here?

Again, can not give specific amounts, but the amount will be in the ballpark of about 15 percent off. It will be a little better than the average Kickstarter early bird discount.

Excited about this kickstarter, but have a couple concerns. What resolution are the figures being printed at and will any post printing work be done on the figs. I ask because a local painter is doing some work for another kickstater and upon getting the model to paint, he had to do significant smoothing and sanding on the fig prior to painting due to the printing layers being visible. This was for a Golden Demon level paint job that would be use for promotion of the figs.

I actually go to great lengths to make "paintable" miniatures, that anyone can make look good. A good ink and drybrush works great on these models. I agree that a Golden Demon painting on a figure can be distracting and daunting.

The 3D prints are the master for our mold making process. I am glad you asked about this. Since I have been a traditional physical sculptor, plus sculpt on 3D and have experience printing dozens of models, I am able to source out literally the worlds best 3D printing on the best machines. There is be no visible staring on the printable surface of the model, period. This attached picture is an actual 3D print, done on an EnvisionTec machine, using photosilver. This is NOT your average print. It is a very expensive jewlery/dental grade print, and is, in my opinion, the only standard that should be acceptable when printing wargames miniatures.

Simply cannot wait for the kickstarter to happen. I think just about everyone at my FLGS is tired of me talking about it for the last few months.

When it comes to the early bird special, is there only going to be a limited amount of slots available for those deals, or will it follow a certain period of time in which you qualify for the specials?

Also, it was said that the discounted rate of models through the kickstarter was upwards of 50%. Does/will that include the early bird special, or is there a chance that models will be around 65% off?

CreatureCaster wrote:Our prices are largely based on the amount, size and weigh of the parts that need to be cast for a model kit. We generated out first series of cost estimates based on the computer renderings. When we began to do test prints, we realized that the dragons, while being huge, are not so huge as to warrant a 200 dollar price tag. In fact, the dragons strikes, what I consider to be, an excellent balance between size and value. The dragons will cost a fair amount less than 200, but still more than 120. That is as close an estimate I can give you before launch.

So if I understand you correctly, you're saying the dragons are more expensive due to the complexity of the kit and the process of making the kit and will therefore be somewhere between 120 and 200 dollars?

Again, can not give specific amounts, but the amount will be in the ballpark of about 15 percent off. It will be a little better than the average Kickstarter early bird discount.

Hmm 15% off's pretty good whack. Probably gonna be worth staying up for.

I share your enthusiasm!

In the campaign, you will have the early bird special. This will be limited to about 300 units per pledge tier. This will save you some money.

There is also the discount on all models on the campaign. We can not say what amount this is specifically at this point, but that is also gonna save you money.

There are also bundle deals that are gonna save you even more money.

The models will not be 50 percent off their MSRP as perhaps as might have been mentioned way back. Slashing prices would leave me vulnerable to any changes in manufacturing costs, shipping, etc. My campaign is focused on giving you a fair price, fair shipping, along with a real focus on the range of exclusive (and free) parts for your model kits.

Have you got an idea of how long after the campaign closes you'll be able to provide product?

So if I understand you correctly, you're saying the dragons are more expensive due to the complexity of the kit and the process of making the kit and will therefore be somewhere between 120 and 200 dollars?

The amount of pieces (molds), combined the the overall weight of resin for the kit is typically the starter on how price is determined. Small factors also include whether or not it can fit into a small parcel, or a larger or unconventional box, etc. Sometimes a heavier model is not only more expensive in material cost, but also is more expensive to ship to a distributor as well. The consumer pays to get the model shipped from their local warehouse to their home, but since we have to pay to get the models to the warehouse, we have to cover that cost as well. All in all, pricing involves a lot of careful observation, experience and subtlety.

I know that price range is vague. The dragons will certainly cost less than $200, that is for sure.


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Have you got an idea of how long after the campaign closes you'll be able to provide product?

We will undergo a short period of finalization of the designs, then move to final print, then to manufacture. Since our models are almost entirely sculpted, there will not be a massive wait as there is with some campaigns. However, I will be asking for a longer period of time in the campaign, since it is better to under-promise and over-deliver. I can not give you concrete times before the campaign launches, but that info will be up opening day. I can say that it will fulfill more quickly than your average campaign, and I will be posting with you every step of the way after the campaign has finished.

Sounds good, I look forward to sending you cash!

Glad to know how the early birds will work.

Since it won't be at 50% of MSRP, is there any estimate you can give for the bundle deals? I personally plan to pick up every model you throw at us, so the bundle deals are definitely the thing I'm most looking forward to (outside of actually holding the beautiful models).

Also, back in one of the last video blogs where you highlighted Arushnee's alternate blade, it seemed like the kickstarter pieces would be a choice. Does this mean when we pledge we will have to choose between the exclusives and the regular set-up, or will we be getting all of the exclusives alongside the model? I ask this only because it's often kind of hard to judge certain aspects of models simply from pictures, so having to choose certain pieces without being able to test them out in person might be a bit withdrawing.

Many thanks for all the quick updates and replies, it's great to see you so in-tune with the community on this project!

I really appreciate your enthusiasm Buttler. The biggest package deal will certainly have you saving the most money, by a pretty good margin. If you do the superfast buttonmash impulse click on the all-inclusive package deal, and then do the math after, you are going to be very happy. This is the greatest savings in all the campaign.

The Kickstarter exclusive parts are great because you get all the entire standard kit, and then all of the exclusive parts as additional components. You can mix and match whichever pieces you prefer, and have some really high-end bits left over.

I will see you on the message board in the campaign as well, and will be there answering any questions you have during the entire campaign and beyond.

I'm definitely looking forward to it and I'm sure I'll conjure up some more questions throughout the campaign.

Can't wait to see the rest of the stretch goal models, especially the triumphant return of Ganadhar as well as the Chaos Dragon (who needs a name and backstory, even if he isn't advertised with one!).

 CreatureCaster wrote:
it is better to under-promise and over-deliver.

This, a thousand times this, seriously that's the one thing that always seems to erode all the good will generated by a well run Kickstarter, when the wait time turns out to be double what was promised.

Also really hoping the plague daemon makes it back in, but it wouldn't stop me getting at least one or two others if he didn't appear till KS2, I'd rather he was perfect than rushed but you've clearly got that attitude too and I rather like it.

KS launch date: 2014/04/19

This will be awesome!

Thanks for the response. Will there be any painted versions showing off the models when the KS goes live?

I'll never get the lets put tits on it school of sculpting. Personally it doesn't nothing for me. Honestly, I'd like to see more bulging crotches maybe some good outlines of what they got down there if you know what I mean.

Hollismason wrote:
I'll never get the lets put tits on it school of sculpting. Personally it doesn't nothing for me. Honestly, I'd like to see more bulging crotches maybe some good outlines of what they got down there if you know what I mean.

Kingdom Death's got you covered

http://gallery.kingdomdeath.com/Gorm

If there's going to be limited early birds, can you do us a favour and post details of what the pledge levels are and exactly what's in them before the KS goes live? I hate these kind of "who can load the website and click the button fastest" discount systems on KS, but if that's what we're getting I'd at least like to know which button I'm supposed to be trying to click.

Hollismason wrote:
I'll never get the lets put tits on it school of sculpting. Personally it doesn't nothing for me. Honestly, I'd like to see more bulging crotches maybe some good outlines of what they got down there if you know what I mean.

You want them to go to the trouble of creating genitalia but cover it with pants? I was going to suggest Mierce, but, no pants!

Good point - if that's your thing!

There really is someone/something for everyone, isn't there?

Calling for rule 34 on dragons and large daemonic creatures.

Hmm what? Wrong site? Oh my bad. I'll go back to \d\ then.