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Positive thought: after not being able to arrange a game of 40k for months, I got one last night that was the first outing of my Tau army! And I won!

But wait...looks like I need to buy the new rulebook. No problem, I see the rules have a book to themselves. Oh...I have to pay £50 to get them as they come with a book of fluff (which hasn't changed to any meaningful degree for years) and a photo book, both of which are, to be honest, neither use nor ornament to me.

It's a separate book...would it kill them to at least try to lower the barrier to entry, or not squeeze more money from people who played 6th, and sell it separately? I had similar thoughts about the plastic Meganobz, models I might have eagerly grabbed at one point but which now have a little bit of my mind going "Are you mad? £38 for 3 plastic miniatures?" And the plastic Flash Gitz (£32 for 5 infantry).

Joking aside, I think I'll have to buy the book eventually. And I know complaining about the prices is pretty predictable by this point. But when one company (or anything, for that matter) reaches a point when someone feels a need to make a special "positive thinking week" maybe there needs to be a look at why these complaints exist in the first place, and the insane pricing is my personal complaint.

I believe that the new starter box (Space Wolves versus Space Orks) will contain a softback rulebook with the full text of the rules book out of the £50 set.

These will begin to make their way on to the secondhand market via eBay.

Positive Thought Bombshell: As I sell all my stuff and keep the models I want to paint, I'm way more positive about GW minis! I am buying a few fantasy models that I will enjoy painting, but never bought because the thought of having the models to actually play them turned me sour.

So that's positive... for me... But I'm buying them all used, so GW won't be happy...

I bought some Glade Guard! They're beautiful!

I love the idea.

Aaand another thread in 40k general bites the dust due to the blow-out from insulting posters. By name this time even! As evidenced in that thread, they quickly derail when insults get thrown around. If you want a more positive 40k general - stop throwing insults.

(What I want to know is, how the hell did he find out about our private message sessions?!?! Someones leaking!)

I got namedropped, so I'm just happy someone knows who I am.

I didn't, that makes me very, very sad. I should clearly be complaining more.


On a positive note actually I did buy something GW from an actual GW store yesterday and I plan on spending a lot more money there in the next couple of weeks too!

I wandered past it and found that behind the new Hobbit crap there were still a bunch of boxes of the old Lord of the Rings models hidden away. I scored me some uruki scouts and plan to go back for gondor and dwarf rangers, morgul and swan knights, moria goblins, and possibly things like rohan infantry and riders, easterlings and, well, a ton of other stuff.

These are the models I got into the hobby with (moria goblins where actually the first things I ever painted) so the nostalgia factor is huge there. they aren't that expensive even though the box contents where halved a while back (I remember 24 models for $35au, now it's like 37.50 for 12. Annoying yes, but I can afford it). And, the best part, they are some great Perry brothers sculpts, the plastics aren't amazing being ten years old but the detail and scale is brilliant.

There are a lot of boxes there that I'm going to use for D&D, and more I will probably buy just to have and paint. For the moment I am ecstatic about these models.

Is it positive if I looked at Stormclaw and said "I think I want this" even if I now have doubts?

I would have bought stormclaw if it was models I liked, I think GW is doing something decent with that - other than the supposed ridiculously limited quantity of it, again. Good discount on models, full rules (they are full right?) and a campaign thingie. If such things popped up every 3 months and the game rules were good, I'd probably buy them all tbh - I'm not averse to getting lots of small armies for each faction even if I'm not a huge fan of the army in question. However the bad ruleset pretty much makes that a no-go for me unless I really like the models.

So yes, whilst Stormclaw *is* a positive thing when taken alone, it's seriously let down by the basic rules for me at least, making Stormclaw being good largely irrelevant.

 Blacksails wrote:
I got namedropped, so I'm just happy someone knows who I am.

And I didn't! I must be losing my rep.

The most positive thing I think I can say about 40k (which has been said before, but is worth repeating) is that when someone other than GW is writing about it, it's likely to be amazing and waht 40k is truly about. HBMC++ in that regard - I was reading through Only War again and damn, I love it ; p Having your name in the credits of that stuff should make you proud, it's a high quality product from start to finish that enriches 40k more than any book I've seen GW put out since I started. The FW Horus Heresy ones would be about the only thing in the vicinity quality wise I think. After stopping playing 40k tabletop wargaming, I'm seriously considering setting up a 40k tabletop RPG group with the mates, something I haven't done since high school.

Do that. It's fun.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Here are the most recent.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/603070.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/603109.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/602120.page

That's three where GW apologist get the thread locked because they don't like differing opinions. Show us one where a GW critic insulted someone that liked GW and got the thread locked.

Here's another one.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/601203.page#7018581

If the derail wasn't so hilarious in that case it would be sad.

Let's derail it further, but talk about the 40K RPG instead. I could use the ego boost after whatshisface didn't name drop me among the "regular moaners".

If it was me, i'd spin it as being left out because of good work on one of the few good 40k things balancing out the "baseless whining" about everything else ; p

You're right.

Let's think positively:

The 40K RPGs are awesome.

As I said in the ebook pricing thread, GW could learn from FFG - the ebooks being 50% of the hard copy price is a great move. So yeah, they really are awesome ; )

I'm going to my first Warmachine tournament tomorrow having never played a 50pt level list ever.

... last time I did something like this was FoB Open and I went 4-2 with my Draigowing having never played it once, so hey, maybe I get my dumb luck again?

See, staying positive in the hobby.

On the negative side; I wasn't mentioned. I guess I'm not moaning load enough.

On the positive side: Got to play All Quiet on the Martian Front and actually won for once! About time! And my FLGS will now stock it as well! HA!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Let's derail it further, but talk about the 40K RPG instead. I could use the ego boost after whatshisface didn't name drop me among the "regular moaners".

I'm just finishing collecting my 40k library and on the wargaming side of things, there's nothing on my shelves published after 1998, everything before 1998 (though I'm short a few white dwarfs) and... the Fantasy Flight 40k RPGs. I'm missing some accessory products like the GM screens, but it's a worthy successor to the original art and fiction of 40k and belongs on my shelf alongside Lost & The Damned and 'Ere We Go.

 Yonan wrote:
I would have bought stormclaw if it was models I liked, I think GW is doing something decent with that - other than the supposed ridiculously limited quantity of it, again. Good discount on models, full rules (they are full right?) and a campaign thingie. If such things popped up every 3 months and the game rules were good, I'd probably buy them all tbh - I'm not averse to getting lots of small armies for each faction even if I'm not a huge fan of the army in question. However the bad ruleset pretty much makes that a no-go for me unless I really like the models.

So yes, whilst Stormclaw *is* a positive thing when taken alone, it's seriously let down by the basic rules for me at least, making Stormclaw being good largely irrelevant.

Sad thing is I haven't tried the rules to see, I was looking at buying Stormclaw to build a small army and get back into 40k since it's still popular here and I figure I really should give it a fair shake instead of just jumping on the "40k sucks" bandwagon based on what I've read and hearsay when I haven't played in a decade, but what's souring me is knowing that I still need to drop a few hundred. I do also play Warmachine, I am starting Bolt Action, and I'm buying some (very cheap, granted) Ancient figures to play some historical games as well. That's a lot of spare money to throw around so something has to be cut since that would leave me with very little pocket money each month for things like food and groceries :(

 frozenwastes wrote:

I'm just finishing collecting my 40k library and on the wargaming side of things, there's nothing on my shelves published after 1998, everything before 1998 (though I'm short a few white dwarfs) and... the Fantasy Flight 40k RPGs. I'm missing some accessory products like the GM screens, but it's a worthy successor to the original art and fiction of 40k and belongs on my shelf alongside Lost & The Damned and 'Ere We Go.

My shelves are probably quite similar. FFG RPG books, lots of RT/2nd ed stuff, a smattering of newer books that I bought when I still played and of course lots of books for other wargames.

It took me a while to track down all the late RT, early 2E stuff, but for some reason, the early RT stuff was really easy to find. I have a copy of the 3rd edition book, but nothing published after that. For all the problems 2nd edition 40k and 4th/5th edition whfb had, they were the games that grew GW from a small UK importer of D&D into an international game company.

Positive thought: This thread went far longer than I thought! Bravo!

Iam still putting together an IG/AM army to face my friend's recently dusted-off Orks! Huzzah!

For my "fun" model I am putting together an Imperial Knight! Goody for me!

After the Imperial Knight release I have not bought a single White Dwarf since! More money in my pocket for the things GW "really" sells: models!

Wave 4 X-wing models are what I have been waiting for and got!!! Tie Defenders... miiii pressssioussses... (On topic! kinda).

Still looking at that Khorn Mower... the initial $300 down to $130 "almost" got me there... soooo close.

If GW hired Network 23 and aired "blip verts" I would be all over their products.