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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Conversions must look like what they are meant to be, and they must look cool. Those are the only two rules that should matter when it comes to non-GW miniatures to play 40k. And those "used" to be rules that GW supported in places like White Dwarf.

Hell, the galaxy apparently isn't even big enough to fit Tau in, people reject them even though they're a fully-supported miniature range from GW and have been in the game for well over a decade literally just because they don't have spikes and skulls on the models. You really expect people like that to accept anything that isn't "offishul"?

The absolute truth. I was around when Tau were released. People went nuts about them not fitting in, when they are not any esthetically different than Eldar when it comes to " Grimdark".

Same here. When they were released I thought, "finally! A sane race. It's one of those smaller races we always hear about but never see." I like the Tau and I think they fit wonderfully.
As for medieval planetary defense guys, I love the idea. Back in RT times that would have fit right in without a bat of an eye.

I have to admit from what I have read about RT I prefer the fluff to everything dark all the time. RT didnt seem to take itself too seriously.

 Vermis wrote:
@JohnHwang: Hellhound and hydra -

What are those? Stubber barrels? Autocannons?

Defiler Autocannon barrels.

It was the real SF look of Tau that got me back into 40K.

No.

 thegreatchimp wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
the idea of a Leman Russ rolling around with a squad of crossbow guardsmen kind of makes my brain itch. From a lore perspective, I get the feudal world, but its just like "Why? Why would I play this when I can have a damn boltgun?"

From what I gathered, the worlds in question that use crossbows wouldn't be in possession of anything like a main battle tank either.

Often there is a tonne of techno junk on feudal worlds, but people simply don't know how to put together anything but the most simple, modular components.

I can believe some crazy barbarian would travel the world, finding a bunch of rotting, breaking down pieces of junk to cobble together something cool, but such things would be really rare and probably a eclectic, achromatic mix of parts. Like Death Lasers on a wooden hull with antigravs powered by a nuclear reactor with a hand cranked starter motor pulled by horses.

The Black Templars are medieval knights in space. That their armor is ceramite and not steel is irrelevant.

I think using 3rd party miniatures shows either great initiative or creativity. if you have found or made 3rd party miniatures to better fit the aesthetic of your force, you clearly have more imagination than alot of people who only think of buying gw. (not that only doing so shows you have a lack of!). Also for most people it the game is about the playing, not about the money; quite often people who have more money can buy more powerful miniatures and there for win. If you cant afford the miniatures but love the game then you should welcome the person who put the effort into sourcing cheaper models, as they are clearly enthusiastic; and probably a good opponent.

As long as it matches the setup, I'm happy.

If you bring Gandalf to play Eldrad Ulthran, I'll start asking questions.

And when I see an Action Man Giant, that's where I draw the line.

The universe is a big place, and there are LOADS of planets and systems that got lost for thousands of years.
So, if the IG lost the standard templates and their forgeworld failed, they'd have to adapt and build their own equipment.
Cadia is just a small part of the whole Imperium. Not every IG army is going to look like them.
If Space Wolves have such a wildly different look to Grey Knights, why cannot other chapters look different too?

If it is the right scale, and models are WYSIWYG, go for it.
If your army's theme also fits the ideas and concepts of 40k, all the better.
3rrd-party models just make that easier to do.

So, this is just the latest thread created by the OP that I disagree with. I might even stop posting in them one day.

 Skinnereal wrote:
The universe is a big place, and there are LOADS of planets and systems that got lost for thousands of years.
So, if the IG lost the standard templates and their forgeworld failed, they'd have to adapt and build their own equipment.
Cadia is just a small part of the whole Imperium. Not every IG army is going to look like them.
If Space Wolves have such a wildly different look to Grey Knights, why cannot other chapters look different too?

If it is the right scale, and models are WYSIWYG, go for it.
If your army's theme also fits the ideas and concepts of 40k, all the better.
3rrd-party models just make that easier to do.

So, this is just the latest thread created by the OP that I disagree with. I might even stop posting in them one day.

Yup. No one has ever complained about my samurai rough riders. In fact people usually complement them.

Well... the rough riders are one of those things I wish weren't part of 40K, so whether they're GW or not couldn't make a difference for me.

morgoth wrote:
Well... the rough riders are one of those things I wish weren't part of 40K, so whether they're GW or not couldn't make a difference for me.

Even these?



They got gasmasks on their horses!

I started playing this game in the late 90's early 2000's when they still had the mail order and bitz order area inside GW. For the first 2 years or so the White Dwarf Mags even came with a "Bitz" style mag where the people of GW showed off the conversions, how they did them and the parts needed to make them. So stating how conversions cause you problems is actually an insult to the game because it originally emphasized and encouraged conversions for the models not available. So what if i want to use High Elf Stallions for my rough rider squads. As long as the model fits the role it does not in any way devalue the model or my creativity in any way shape or form. It is the knuckle headed igit on the other side of the table playing rules lawyer that will soon find he has no one to play with because I have seen maybe 10 or 12 armies in my play time that do not include conversions of some sort. This can be from head swaps to complex 4-5 model combinations for a warlord. Third party models only enhance the game in my opinion. It gives the game character and flavor. If we did not have companies like Scribor Miniatures and Victoria miniatures pushing the envelope of the game systems out there we would have no multi part models to put together. The reason Games Workshop puts out so many new and improved models year after year month after month is because they have more competition out there with which to fight off and people are seeing that there are more than just them for gaming. This makes the need for new ideas and concepts a constant thing not just a once a year reboot of a given model or two. So the answer is that the variations of all the models makes it to where we have so many new ideas and models coming out improving the game and challenging us as gamers to expand our thoughts and ideas on new concepts in the games and our skills as painters and modelers.

Really, as long as I know what a non-GW mini is supposed to represent, and it's roughly the same size, I'm cool with it. Couldn't care less about WYSIWYG. Oh, that one with the chainsword has the missile launcher? Fine. Done deal, time to kill him.

 docdoom77 wrote:
I think what you buy is up to you and you can do whatever you please, but you might have more fun if you stepped off that high horse and let other people have their fun too.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with using 3rd party materials. I love the variety it brings to the table.

In the end, it's your choice, but it's definitely not the one I would make.

It's silly to argue that someone else's miniatures somehow devalue yours on the tabletop.

It makes me happy to see that the first reply to this thread is exactly what I would have said.

I use some third party stuff, but mainly HQs since I have a custom chapter.
I really don't think it matters if somebody else finds something that they like that gives no sort of advantage because of any reason, be it aesthetics, cost, or availability.

I use some pieces from third party producers for specific parts the I think have more of the feel of the 30k/40k universe than some of the GW parts. Take for instance the Jet Packs. I believe that they would be more thruster style as seen in the Visions Of Heresy books that show the massive barrel shaped tubes that are attached to the power plant on the back of the marines. I also used some of the outside versions of bases with lava on them. These differences are what makes the armies have character and separates them from other peoples. I have even started to cast my own bases with resin and use cork board to make my own lava bases just to make all of them have the same feel and give them more stability.

These are factors that i take into account when i choose models to buy and select to expand my army. It is also why i have lost a lot of faith in Games Workshop when they did away with the Bitz Sales Dept. It killed that drive to make the armies more individual and different.

Dow and deathwatch tau are grim as he'll, using mass sterilization, indoctrination, reeducation and brainwashing to the extreme.

They might be the most grim faction, as their subjects think they're living in paradise!

That and they almost broke the game. But Eldar did it instead.


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 Lord Scythican wrote:

morgoth wrote:
Well... the rough riders are one of those things I wish weren't part of 40K, so whether they're GW or not couldn't make a difference for me.

Even these?



They got gasmasks on their horses!

If I an remembering correctly horses did actually get gas masks in WWI.

WWI was a weird time...

 carlos13th wrote:
I have to admit from what I have read about RT I prefer the fluff to everything dark all the time. RT didnt seem to take itself too seriously.

I write a lot of fiction set in 40k universe (Don't judge me!) And I usually find a dark Black adder or metalocalypse style of humor works best for the universe.

There is some degree of humor in HH books and a lot in Ciaphas Cain.

 TheSilo wrote:
WWI was a weird time...

As we know now, horses are immune to chlorine gas

What a sad premise for a thread. I think third parties are great for the hobby as they increase diversity. There are some great products for gaming now. Sometimes proxies look gak, but some people buy only GW and daub half their army under globs of paint and leave the rest as bare plastic. It's how you model the various components into a theme that works together should determine whether you've done a good job of using third party things. Quite a bit of third party stuff looks better than GW's standard output, their bobble-headed IG are piss poor.

The view that GW games should only ever be played with GW miniatures is shared by elitist fanboys and GW-only fanatics. A lot of stuff made by other manufacturers is better than GW and in some cases it's not even cheap. People are buying it for the aesthetic, not to be cheap. Although why not paying GW RRP prices is a bad thing I don't know.

Well if the OP doesnt like conversions he won't want to see the latest White dwarf with official conversions for the necrons guns

 dekinrie wrote:
Well if the OP doesnt like conversions he won't want to see the latest White dwarf with official conversions for the necrons guns

Nah, he'd be fine with those, seeing as they're Official Citadel Conversions that were done using parts paid for in full at the nearest GW Hobby Centre.