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I'm quite surprised this one dropped, but then if they looked at the numbers and decided they couldn't do it, it's better to cancel earlier than later.

Nocturnus wrote:
I think another problem with the KS is the lack of incentive with freebies. These days KS seem to give out a lot of free stuff. The successful ones, Zombiecide, Sedition Wars, etc. had a bunch of extras. The stretch goals were pretty bland..

That's a difficultly with metal mini's and KS's of this scale. CMoN can afford to throw in dozens of extras because once they've covered the cost of the tooling they can get them banged out in China for peanuts(like 2-3p each) at staggering rate. Westwind cast stuff in house in England, so there's a much higher labour cost to the freebie minis, as well as a higher material cost. Westwind just can't afford to throw in more than a handful of free mini's due to the time/cost.

Still, I hope they manage to revive SOTR II in some form, even if it's staggered somewhat or they go the Nickstarter route.

yeah,
I had backed for the book
I was waiting to see all the weird before working out what I wanted.
The zombies deal for one looked like a bargain and was on my shopping list.

I imagine a lot of people were in the wait and see camp.


I can also see their shipping structure killing people's desire to pledge for a mix of stuff.
Anyone outside the UK backing for the book and a bunch of minis.
£10 shipping for the minis that are ready now.
£10 shipping for the book when it's ready.
£10 shipping for the remaining minis when they are ready!!!

Panic...

Surely most people would have just waited for a single shipment?

That shipping policy was only if you purposefully chose to spend your credit on different batches at different times. WW couldn't be expected to soak up people spending £5 here and £5 there as models were released.

I would imagine this staggered approach to releasing things in their plan was to allow them to also do commercial release of the same items at the same time (or shortly thereafter).

I guess we now just have to wait and see what happens to SOTRII and see if it surfaces before the inevitable Bolt Action/Konflikt '47 Weird War suppliment

yeah,
maybe.
But maybe when everyone else is holding their book and discussing/ playing the game, waiting for 6 months+ for your mechs will seem like a bad idea.

Panic...

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That shipping policy was only if you purposefully chose to spend your credit on different batches at different times. WW couldn't be expected to soak up people spending £5 here and £5 there as models were released.

I would imagine this staggered approach to releasing things in their plan was to allow them to also do commercial release of the same items at the same time (or shortly thereafter).

I guess we now just have to wait and see what happens to SOTRII and see if it surfaces before the inevitable Bolt Action/Konflikt '47 Weird War suppliment

What's a good place to find out more about Bolt Action's Wierd WWII game?

They had some on show at Salute actually, although to get specific it is not actually Warlord's own game.

Instead they were sharing some display and stall space with Clockwork Goblin, a company that has been selling 15mm Weird-war II up to now (you will find their company on a Google search).

They've mostly done 15mm up to now although looks like they are about to branch out into 28mm. I wonder actually if it is going to be a similar situation to Judge Dredd, where Warlord is the publisher for the game and will sell via their site, but won't actually be involved with rules or minis themselves. Of course, having access to Warlord's cheap and quite excellent infantry plastics would seem to make a lot of sense..

I actually know a couple of guys who work with Clockwork Goblin, I will have to ask what their plans are if I get the chance..

 Pacific wrote:
They had some on show at Salute actually, although to get specific it is not actually Warlord's own game.

Instead they were sharing some display and stall space with Clockwork Goblin, a company that has been selling 15mm Weird-war II up to now (you will find their company on a Google search).

They've mostly done 15mm up to now although looks like they are about to branch out into 28mm. I wonder actually if it is going to be a similar situation to Judge Dredd, where Warlord is the publisher for the game and will sell via their site, but won't actually be involved with rules or minis themselves. Of course, having access to Warlord's cheap and quite excellent infantry plastics would seem to make a lot of sense..

I actually know a couple of guys who work with Clockwork Goblin, I will have to ask what their plans are if I get the chance..

Please do!

Their game (in 28mm) could be just the thing to tide me over to when/if SoTRII actually gets released!

EDIT!

Word from West Wind in the comments section:

Creator Andy Cooper, West Wind Productions about 2 hours ago

Thanks everyone for taking time to post your kind words and also your views. This is by no means a fail, just not in the current offer which was not viable with the number of backers.

We are in talks with John Bailey and Ian Hill and looking at a good way forward for both rules and miniatures. So at the moment it's business as usual for West Wind and Forged in Battle. We will keep you posted as we have more information. Thanks again for your superb support.

Hey, that Incursion container of goodies should be with us at West Wind on Thursday! so we should be able to start shipping out the EU rewards a week on Monday.

No idea what that means for SoTRII though...

There isn't much for Konflikt '47 yet, other than a few sheets on the Clockwork Goblin website and an entry on Amazon for a bolt action supplement this time next year. As was mentioned earlier, CG being on the Bolt Action stand at Salute does seem to indicate an upcoming partnership though.

To save having this take over the SOTR thread, I'll start a CG one a bit later with some of the recent renders. You'll love them

Agreed - I'd love to have this thread serve as the News, Rumors and Rallying point for SoTR!

(but do let me know when you start that other one!)

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To save having this take over the SOTR thread, I'll start a CG one a bit later with some of the recent renders. You'll love them

I already posted them earlier in the thread

They now have their own thread, to keep things separate and save confusion

Creator Andy Cooper, West Wind Productions about 5 hours ago

Thanks for your comments everyone, if you have any specific questions regarding our plans as things progress, please email through to the office at mail@westwindproductions.co.uk rather than post them here. We promise to keep you all posted too, by sending out an Update.

I won't bug them there quite yet, but I'm eager to know just what is "Next" for SoTR...

yeah,
I wonder if they are interested in selling the zombie horde at the KS price... I'd love to buy a couple!

Panic...

If they would have just structured this Kickstarter differently, they would have sold a lot of everything to a lot of people...

Yep. I was a bit disappointed in both the structure of the campaign, as well as the length. 20 days is just not a lot of time for word to propagate, and people to have available funds without enough warning.

Also.. a lot of the infantry models are looking very dated. They could really use an update, either via new sculpts or 3D modeling.

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They said in their update that it wouldn't be coming back to KS, which is disappointing. I wonder how many people would have backed at £15 or £20 for pdf versions of the updated rules with nothing else? it certainly would have cur out the printing and postage costs

 Alpharius wrote:
A lot, I'd wager!

I didn't back as it didn't seem like especially good value, and I've got tons of "close enough" WW2 figures as it is, so I hit the 48-hour button and decided to wait and see. Just went looking now to see what happened to it.

As someone who hasn't played SotTR, I can't imagine myself paying £15 or £20 for pdf versions of the updated rules with nothing else in the hope that the rules work out well/I like them/will play them. Especially in a Kickstarter. Tamburlane has it right. Cheap or free PDF rules are a hook. Expensive PDFs are not.

I was excited by this project but (being brutally honest) the plastic incursion figures that arrived recently don't seem stuff enough for me to paint so I don't think I have enough to play platoon sized battles of certain factions. Now I'm tempted to sit back and see what Clockwork Goblin and Bolt Action can do.

Some...news?

http://www.westwindproductions-forum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4174.new;topicseen#new

Ostmann wrote:I spoke to Wendy they are still in discussion with the Baileys (they wrote original rules)

IT will take a while but they will be releasing the rules (they are pursing this and some models but it needs to be costed etc)

They will release an update when they can

Al