how does a STC look like?

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**Werdes**

(the container of an STC)

**HellsGuardian316**

The same as every other STC, thats why they call it an STC

(sorry couldn't resist)

On Topic
I'm fairly sure someone either posted schematics of the STC's on dakka or they could be found using a search on google images. Other than that I'm not quite sure what your asking your question isn't that descriptive. If you look on the boxes for Rhino's or Predators in your local gaming store then there's a mini picture of how it looks on the back.

**halonachos**

Its a box that has a glowing orb on the side facing away from the wall. The techpriest has to smash the box to get the STC and once he gets every STC available, he gets achievement points.

**Dronze**

They came across an STC in one of the earlier Gaunt's Ghosts novels, and it was actually a ROOM more than an object. As far as STC data goes, if we are to trust Mechanicum, then the data can be kept on simple cogitator wheels, which are small enough to be carried in one's pocket.

**1xx700007117**

So Werdes how far has you come because i have some own troops whit 35points model so 8x35=200 and then the riders shall(?) on,and they can have weapon upgrades so i beat 250-300 points...JAG KOMMER ÄGA DEJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!du är ju svensk.

**combo**

1xx700007117 wrote:So Werdes how far has you come because i have some own troops whit 35points model so 8x35=200 and then the riders shall(?) on,and they can have weapon upgrades so i beat 250-300 points...JAG KOMMER ÄGA DEJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!du är ju svensk.

Huh?

no really, what the hell?

**cadbren**

I thought the STCs were computers with advanced AI that could build anything that the old human empire had created.

In 'Dark Adeptus', the entire super Titan they have seems to be an STC. It's supposed to be the titan STC that the mechanicus later copied (badly) to produce the titans of the Mars Legions.

In one of the Gaunt's Ghosts books they find a huge STC which is a machine capable of making robots but seemingly nothing else.

I think the STC is like a CAD programme that can produce blueprints and technical data for various machines and tools. Sometimes the mechanicus finds a relic of an old STC design, sometimes it finds the design specs, sometimes it just finds bits, like the rusted remains of a rhino or a piece of code that describes how to make a more efficient light bulb.

The holy grail is an intact STC machine which has the data for producing everthing the old civilisation had.

**1xx700007117**

combo wrote:
1xx700007117 wrote:So Werdes how far has you come because i have some own troops whit 35points model so 8x35=200 and then the riders shall(?) on,and they can have weapon upgrades so i beat 250-300 points...JAG KOMMER ÄGA DEJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!du är ju svensk.

Huh?

no really, what the hell?

He is my cousin

**darkangels_rule**

and stc is a blueprint made by a computer (cognator) you tell it what you want "i want a tank" you tell it local fuel / mineral / atmo / etc and it designs the optimum design for your task and a machine to make it all you do press "on" and away you go .
thats why in the horus heresy books two diffrent stc came up with power armour and stormbirds cos they were the logical optimum design for the task presented (keep soldier alive and fly him to battlefield )

phew

going to lie down now

lol

p.s.

i allso agree
WHAT THE HELL ???????

**cadbren**

So the STC is the prototype or blueprint that is produced by a machine. So I guess the original question is therefore asking what that machine looks like.
That is, what does the machine that knows how to make everything look like; has it ever been described? That is what the mechanicum is looking for, their holy grail, do we at least know how big it is?

**jabbakahut**

Fun, I actually went and dusted off the old Rogue Trader book for this one... Everybody was a little right.

Rogue Trader 92' page 270 wrote:
Standard Template Constructs

During the Dark Age of Technology humanity traveled throughout the galaxy, founding new colonies and exploring new worlds. Many of these colonies failed to establish themselves, other were lost, whilst a few grew into independent civilizations with distinctive cultures. Most however, established a subsistence economy and simply stopped. In such an environment the impetus for change was very low; everything the citizens needed was at hand, their new world supplied them with food, and the store of knowledge brought from Earth enabled them to maintain a high technological base without a technological society. In part this was a result of the Standard Template Construct system carried by every colony.

The heart of the STC system was an evolved computer program designed to provide the construction details for the colonists. Its prime function was to enable the colonists to build efficient shelters, generators and transports without any prior knowledge and using almost any locally available materials. The user simply asked how to build a house or a tractor and the computer supplied all the necessary plans-in short it was idiot proof. Many humans attribute the entire Orkish civilization tot he early STC systems-but the truth will never be known.

The Age of Technology ended in inter-human war and anarchy. The STC systems that had helped to build it either lapsed in to disuse or decayed so that they became increasingly unreliable and quirky. On some worlds they were maintained, but mostsuffered damage by enthusiastic software specialists or subsequent jury-rigging. Hard copies of the information they contained survived much longer, and were frequently copied and passed down from generation to generation. Today, in the Age of the Imperium, the familiar designs of the STC are still discernable in the shapes of vehicles, spacecraft and bildings. The Adeptus Mechanicus on Earth make it their business to collate and utilise STC material-it istheir equibalent toa holy text, a font of all knowledge (which is exactly what it was intended to be).

One result of the STC system and its pivotal place in human development is that many worlds now utilise designs and machinery of a similar type. Of course, the millennia have wrought changes in the basic utilitarian devices proscribed by the STC, but many humans adhere religiously to the old designs. STC designs were intended to be able to cope with anything-by the standards of the day they were rough and ready, big and brutish, hard to damabe and easy to repair. Because they were intended for use by unqualified people and their power-plants were based around commonly obtainable materials, employing setam power, wind power, water power and combustion engines. High-tech material was described too (althought rarely used) and designes were provided for full-scale nuclear power-grids and fission processors. However, bew people understood these, and the need for power was supplied quite easily by conventional means. Consequently hard copies were rarely taken and gradually written texts became lost of hopelessly distortred.

The Weapons, bhicles and much of the equipment described in this book have their roots in the STC system. FIghting vehicles often look like tractors and prime movers because that's exactly what they were copied from! STC designs can be produced in almost any material; wod, plastic, concrete, steel, plastic, etc, and can be replicated on almost any world that has raw materials of some kind. Uncorrupted STC ssystems are unknown and after so many years will probably remain so. Nontheless, finding such a system is regarded by many Tech-priests as their ultimate goal-a sort of questo for the holy grail. Legends srround the existence of lost, functioning STS systems, but whether they have any baiss in thruth is anyone's guess.

I like how they stilled called it Earth back then. It's really amazing the thought that was put into so much of the fluff. Such details that actually make sense but have nothing to do with the game. That's the GW I like to think of.

I think it's best to consider there two parts here, the actual STC, and the STC SYSTEM. The actual STC is merely a program which contains one or more blueprints and an AI to help deal with the variables (environment al resources).

If you have an STC set up completely with manufacturing and distribution set up, it would look like a modern factory. That is why they never find a complete system set up. Just some residual programs which have corrupted over time. Due to the lack of knowledge on how to program a design with integrated AI-we have technically slid backwards in technology.

I've never really understood exactly how that could happen, or why we would have such a hard time building back up to that level of tech.

Notice how it is now called the Dark Age of Technology?

And No, it can't build "anything".

**whatwhat**

It looks like this... http://www.wikipedia.org/

**combat_hobo**

3 1/2 floppy?

S:mall
T:urqiouse
C:d

**whatwhat**

**jabbakahut**

Nice!

**cadbren**

Thanks for that, that made sense and explains the factory that Gaunt found.

**darkangels_rule**

jabbakahut wrote:Fun, I actually went and dusted off the old Rogue Trader book for this one... Everybody was a little right.

Rogue Trader 92' page 270 wrote:
Standard Template Constructs

During the Dark Age of Technology humanity traveled throughout the galaxy, founding new colonies and exploring new worlds. Many of these colonies failed to establish themselves, other were lost, whilst a few grew into independent civilizations with distinctive cultures. Most however, established a subsistence economy and simply stopped. In such an environment the impetus for change was very low; everything the citizens needed was at hand, their new world supplied them with food, and the store of knowledge brought from Earth enabled them to maintain a high technological base without a technological society. In part this was a result of the Standard Template Construct system carried by every colony.

The heart of the STC system was an evolved computer program designed to provide the construction details for the colonists. Its prime function was to enable the colonists to build efficient shelters, generators and transports without any prior knowledge and using almost any locally available materials. The user simply asked how to build a house or a tractor and the computer supplied all the necessary plans-in short it was idiot proof. Many humans attribute the entire Orkish civilization tot he early STC systems-but the truth will never be known.

The Age of Technology ended in inter-human war and anarchy. The STC systems that had helped to build it either lapsed in to disuse or decayed so that they became increasingly unreliable and quirky. On some worlds they were maintained, but mostsuffered damage by enthusiastic software specialists or subsequent jury-rigging. Hard copies of the information they contained survived much longer, and were frequently copied and passed down from generation to generation. Today, in the Age of the Imperium, the familiar designs of the STC are still discernable in the shapes of vehicles, spacecraft and bildings. The Adeptus Mechanicus on Earth make it their business to collate and utilise STC material-it istheir equibalent toa holy text, a font of all knowledge (which is exactly what it was intended to be).

One result of the STC system and its pivotal place in human development is that many worlds now utilise designs and machinery of a similar type. Of course, the millennia have wrought changes in the basic utilitarian devices proscribed by the STC, but many humans adhere religiously to the old designs. STC designs were intended to be able to cope with anything-by the standards of the day they were rough and ready, big and brutish, hard to damabe and easy to repair. Because they were intended for use by unqualified people and their power-plants were based around commonly obtainable materials, employing setam power, wind power, water power and combustion engines. High-tech material was described too (althought rarely used) and designes were provided for full-scale nuclear power-grids and fission processors. However, bew people understood these, and the need for power was supplied quite easily by conventional means. Consequently hard copies were rarely taken and gradually written texts became lost of hopelessly distortred.

The Weapons, bhicles and much of the equipment described in this book have their roots in the STC system. FIghting vehicles often look like tractors and prime movers because that's exactly what they were copied from! STC designs can be produced in almost any material; wod, plastic, concrete, steel, plastic, etc, and can be replicated on almost any world that has raw materials of some kind. Uncorrupted STC ssystems are unknown and after so many years will probably remain so. Nontheless, finding such a system is regarded by many Tech-priests as their ultimate goal-a sort of questo for the holy grail. Legends srround the existence of lost, functioning STS systems, but whether they have any baiss in thruth is anyone's guess.

I like how they stilled called it Earth back then. It's really amazing the thought that was put into so much of the fluff. Such details that actually make sense but have nothing to do with the game. That's the GW I like to think of.

I think it's best to consider there two parts here, the actual STC, and the STC SYSTEM. The actual STC is merely a program which contains one or more blueprints and an AI to help deal with the variables (environment al resources).

If you have an STC set up completely with manufacturing and distribution set up, it would look like a modern factory. That is why they never find a complete system set up. Just some residual programs which have corrupted over time. Due to the lack of knowledge on how to program a design with integrated AI-we have technically slid backwards in technology.

I've never really understood exactly how that could happen, or why we would have such a hard time building back up to that level of tech.

Notice how it is now called the Dark Age of Technology?

And No, it can't build "anything".

i believe the background fluff goes that on once someone asked an STC to design something to help with manpower issues , it designed "metal men " but the metal men decided they could do EVERYTHING better without humans and sought to remove the problem (v logical) by removing the humans.
after there defeat it was ruled that NO THINKING MACHINE (AI) SHALL BE CREATED
then they kind of had an awwwww poo moment as all tech started to be smashed to comply with the ruling
so the idea of a MACHINE SPIRIT and machines having a soul started and gets around the AI ban cos if it has a soul it cant be a thinking machine , but so much was lost /smashed/destroyed that it is never possible to recover
plus
the mechanicum hordes tech and information to its individual members each one seeking to amass more than the next so when one dies or is killed irreplaceable knowledge is lost forever

**JoeyFox**

whatwhat wrote:

I could NOT resist

**Waaagh_Gonads**

Ladies and gentlemen we have... win.