Foda_Bett wrote:

We like comments, both good and bad, because it helps all of us in the group to get better. I’m a big boy, and welcome constructive criticism. Lately, however, it seems like you just flat don’t like this model… If that is the case, why do you follow the thread? I can’t really tell where you are coming from, because I haven’t seen any of your models to use as a point of reference. Please advise.

You got me all wrong, I have no agenda. How many tongue-in-cheek smilies do you need to see before you see the difference between a comment and an attack. Many have said your work is so good it disillusions them. So when I find something that might need improvement I embellished on it. Like this.

On that note in your recent pictures the chair looks repositioned, and now permits good access. Or was that just camera angle?

The forward chairs look too close. The one on the left (in the pic) looks like he's hitting his head on the front panel. Are Titans equipped with passenger side airbags?

A note on tongue in cheek and sarcastic comments on the internet: They rarely translate well through no fault of the writer, but when read, the reader simply has no idea as to the tone of voice or inflection placed on certain words. It sucks, because some really funny things end up being taken in the entirely wrong light. Sometimes it's best to stick to knock knock jokes

I dont think Orlanth was seriously critisizing Foda, anymore than I was seriously handing in my resignation. You are so head and shoulders above every other scratch titan that any "faults" are sure to be tongue in cheek.

I wish I had your casting skills, its something I'm thinking about, is there any guides or sites you can pint me towards?

The forward chairs look about right. Moderati while important dont need a view, and the fact that they are bowed before the dashboard of the titan makes them look suitably servile. Its 'unfortunate' that the head angle of the moderati looking up means he is looking at the frame and not out the window, but if there is instrumentation detail around the frame, as in a real aircraft cockpit (the nearest analogy), this could look all the better. Without instrumentation panels on the frame it might be better to swap over the two moderati.

I wonder however if the Princeps is high up enough to have an unrestricted forward view. If the front widescreen is above head height of the Moderati, and the Princeps appears less than a full head height above them the front view may end up more like a childs eye view, not good when you are that high off the ground. Again this might just be camera angle but I wonder if the Princeps needs a raised seat base.

Zamboni Knight, you are quite correct on how posts on the net often sound crabbier than intended. It's because reasonable people can be mistaken for the trollz that salt the fields for everyone. Which is why liberal use of smilies is needed if you want to make a joke criticism. But as you say, even then its not always taken the right way. No harm done though.

sleazy wrote:I dont think Orlanth was seriously critisizing Foda, anymore than I was seriously handing in my resignation. You are so head and shoulders above every other scratch titan that any "faults" are sure to be tongue in cheek.

This is precisely what I was saying. In fact my pointing out 'flaws' was based directly on your mock resignation comments to 'encourage' you.

I would think WOOOW, kind'a sums it up...

I think some of you may have missed a key point – I guess I didn’t explain it well enough a couple of posts ago… Nothing has been properly placed or glued – we haven’t even sanded the bases off the resin pulls – the seats and characters were only set in temporarily to let everyone see an approximation of positioning…. we only made these parts to be able to tell the weight for balancing when we build the feet. Nothing will be glued until we are ready for paint! One of the characters will be looking at the dashboard (which isn’t even built yet), which will be lit (all in due time) and the other will be looking out the windshield, and not at a post. Also, if you look at the cockpit bucket more carefully, you will see the back half of the floor is raised. Remember, this is not a kit. Scratch building sometimes requires several iterations before everything goes together properly.

It’s time to work on the feet!

Remember, this is not a kit. Scratch building sometimes requires several iterations before everything goes together properly.

I don't want your excuses! I want perfection from the get go!

Forgot a few pictures!
Here are some photos of the models as they appear after molding. The big braces you see under their butts is to prevent the drivers from breaking off at the ankles when pulled (this happend a few times on some other molds).

That is beautiful. Personally I prefer my FW titan, but thats just because its Chaos, and im an evil fanboy. Yours appears so much more structurally sound, im having difficulty assembling mine.

One Question: Once you have finished the molding process, how long do you think it would take to make one? It would be awesome if you could churn them out one a day, and have an entire Titan Army! Good luck finding someone brave enough to battle you with 5 titans, let alone a whole company of them.

Awesome Foda! I love the figures, it proves that you can cast great minis as well as the larger pieces - not that there was much reason to doubt it
Looking forward to the feet, and seeing the titans standing.

-DMG-

blinky - Thanks! I'm sure after this project I could get a titan from scratch to this point in about a weekend (as long as I built simple guns).

DaMaGe - Thanks! If you scroll down you'll see one standing without feet.

Well since we have to figure out how to build the feet we need to know how the weight is distributed on the titan. So we glued a body together.
PLEASE REMEMBER: This is just quickly glued together, there is no details added, no gap filling, no lights, no sounds, no wiring, not even a nose, but it is a good mock up.

Can you spot the marine?

SWWWEEEET! I love it!!
I think the thinness of the legs has already been mentioned - the solution being the plates around the shins (that have yet to arrive).
Also, do you think that this pairing of guns looks a little unbalanced? The RH gun is considerably smaller. Just a thought.

Final point, who else has immaturely chuckled at "super lube". Oh dear...


-DMG-

It's a titan!!!

Agreed on skinny legs, but also agreed that some armor plating will bulk them right up. The guns actually look a little over-sized when put all together, but I think that's just me or the angle, cause even if they are big, big = awesome is a hard equation to argue with

Looking at it the hip / pelvic area looks like it could use some more work, but I'm positive more work is ocurring as I write this

- Salvage

I agree that the guns look a bit unbalanced. I think that the big one would be better with a single barrel, but that might lok wierd now that the mount has been designed for a double. Aside from that great, can't wait to see it completed.

I have to admit to a sly snigger at super lube. This looks incredible though, the attention to detail is fantastic, that's what makes a great model stand out from an ok one.

Jazz is for Losers wrote:I agree that the guns look a bit unbalanced.

When I saw the guns lined up a few pages back I did notice a marked size difference, however if the guns are pairedup carefully this will not matter. Though very cleverly done I must admit to not being too keen on some of the guns. However I think its just the overly visible plumbing references, and a good paint job should fix that.

DaMaGe - The guns are removable as I've stated countless times. The guns were placed on the titan to give us an example of the 2 extremes. The slimmer right handed turbo laser, and the fatter left handed ack-ack.

Boss_Salvage - The guns were done off of forgeworld's so if they're oversized its a flaw in the design. The body isn't detailed at all (which includes some additional stuff for the wings) so when its done it will look quite different.

Jazz is for Losers - Thanks!

Greebynog - I hadn't ever thought of the synthetic "Super lube" as humorous until now. The stuff works great on the table saw as it keeps the plexi glass from getting hung up. Thanks for the compliment.

Orlanth - There's a scratch builder that goes to a few of the model shows and many of his sci-fi vehicles are old ergonomic mice and trac-balls. Its rather funny to see them before they're painted, but when you get a coat of paint and some weathering even a deodorant can can look like a warship.

Foda, sorry if I seem to have exasperated you with that comment - I know that you can chop and change the guns as need be, so I wasn't saying "oh no, you've ruined the titan..." etc etc, but more that those two don't quite match. Obviously, you've now explained why you chose to match the two extremes, and that makes total sense.
Apologies again if I seemed to communicate any emotion not analogous to "WOW!!".

-DMG-

I must admit that last post came across a bit harsh.
I didn't mean to sound upset, I just want y'all to remember that the pictures were mearly for test purposes and because of that we needed the 2 ends of the spectrum.

Amazing, keep the pics coming.

Just read the entire thread. nice work man.

Definitely inspirational.

I'm been wanting to do some molding for terrain purposes (just plaster but I may look at other materials) so I think i'll actually look in to that now.

You know what would be BA? Cup holders.

Just kidding. I think the coolest part of this whole project is
the idea that the entire process is reproducible. Why stop at
four titans when you can have twenty?

Brilliant work. Your crew, cockpit, and torso detailing are all particularly nice.

I am however in agreement with the others that without the shin plates the legs look really skinny. I failed to find any reference to shin plates while scanning back- are you doing some, or leaving the legs as they are in the test-assembly pic?

Again, brilliant work. Your titan legion is going to rock.

Foda_Bett wrote:The body isn't detailed at all (which includes some additional stuff for the wings) so when its done it will look quite different.

The stuff works great on the table saw as it keeps the plexi glass from getting hung up.

Oh, Foda... you're so funny, you don't even know your genius

there's two jokes up there... one modeling, the other... "crude"

malfred wrote:You know what would be BA? Cup holders.

Yes. I second the nomination of the gentleman from, well, where ever he's from... doesn't matter, cup holders would be awesome!

It's one of those tiny details that no one notices at first, but when they look closer...

Cupholders would be better than lights.

In fact, you should model one of the princeps to be holding out a cup of coffee or hot cocoa, like he pointing forward with it.

Maybe another like he just spilled the cup in his lap so he's half getting up and about to take it out on the moderati.

Brother Bartius - Thanks!

Lagduf - Thanks! I haven't tried plaster molding but I've resined some things that were made with dental plaster. Be warned if you're going to do that the silicon has a tendencey to absorb into the plaster, making it a bear to remove from the mold.

malfred - LOL the only thing stopping me from going to 20 is the fact that unless 20 combine like voltron to make a house I'd be homeless

Savnock - The shin plates were not necessary to find the balance point of the titan so they aren't bulit yet. They will be constructed right before painting, and will snap on just like my warlord's armor.

ZamboniKnight - I guess my mind isn't in the gutter as much as y'all I don't see that as funny

CrimsonFist - I don't know about better than lights. I think it will be pretty cool when I can turn the lights off and play from the spot lights on my titans. I thought about having one sound like Invader Zim saying "Push those buttons pull those levers!"

Although we're currently working on the feet we're taking cupholders into consideration... I wonder what starbucks would look like in the 41st millenium?

Foda_Bett wrote:Brother Bartius - Thanks!

Lagduf - Thanks! I haven't tried plaster molding but I've resined some things that were made with dental plaster. Be warned if you're going to do that the silicon has a tendencey to absorb into the plaster, making it a bear to remove from the mold

Thats, i'll keep that in mind. My sister actually has quite a bit of knowledge about working with plaster from some art courses she just recently took in college. I'm going to too hit her up for as much help as possible.

I don't think Starbucks would survive in to the 41st millenium. Coca-Cola yes, starbucks no.

One thing to remember though. Plaster is no where near as strong as resin is, nor does it show the kind of detail resin does.

Looks great so far. What were the two guns on there? If I remember from earlier in the thread, is that the inferno gun and the laser destroyer?

Is there going to be any superficial damage to the carapace/greaves added?

Any idea on the legion yet? I always though the warp-runners had the coolest scheme.