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Considering the wide berth they give the dyson sphere which probably now contains a fairly powerful shard of the Outsider, I'd think that similarly energy based beings wouldn't be out of the question.

 King Pariah wrote:
Considering the wide berth they give the dyson sphere which probably now contains a fairly powerful shard of the Outsider, I'd think that similarly energy based beings wouldn't be out of the question.

Or that none of the vanguards in the area survived (because they're all dead Necron worlds anyway) so there was no reason to actually go there.

Tyranids follow their vanguard psychic beacons. If the vanguards don't transmit their beacon, the Tyranids don't bother (because there's not enough life to sustain a vanguard, it's not going to have enough life to entice a fleet).

 -Loki- wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Considering the wide berth they give the dyson sphere which probably now contains a fairly powerful shard of the Outsider, I'd think that similarly energy based beings wouldn't be out of the question.

Or that none of the vanguards in the area survived (because they're all dead Necron worlds anyway) so there was no reason to actually go there.

Tyranids follow their vanguard psychic beacons. If the vanguards don't transmit their beacon, the Tyranids don't bother (because there's not enough life to sustain a vanguard, it's not going to have enough life to entice a fleet).

If memory serves, the dyson sphere lies a bit outside of the galaxy and was in the Tyranid line of advance upon the galaxy.

Why the tyranids flee:

1) Mundane explanation
Perhaps the Tyranid's galaxy is merely dying. Galaxies do that. Star production starts to shut down, and no new stars = limited lifespan of a galaxy. It may simply be impossible for the nids to stay there, and thus they are fleeing from typical resource depletion.

2) Less Mundane
An enemy force has developed efficient bio-weaponry. A force like the tyranids could be completely annihilated by sufficiently advanced genetics altering bio-weapons. Really, it's somewhat disappointing the Eldar haven't already done this, as bio-engineering shouldn't be that difficult for a sufficiently advanced civilization. But, C'est la vie, the Eldar suck at things and stall the final battle.

3) Super Un-mundane
The Tyranid's galaxy has become sentient, the super massive black hole at its center going on a rampage to devour all life. Faced with this unstoppable juggernaut of an enemy, the tyranids had no choice but to run.

The Tyranids arrived in the Milky way galaxy with uncountable billions of organisms. I cannot get behind a theory that suggests that this is the scraps of their fleets. The "dying" Tyranids luckily found the Milky way because they were close to extinction from whatever force put them in their place.
I can however beleive that these are only scout fleets, Searching for food because they have devoured countless species/races before. Just like they do here in this galaxy. They send gene-stealers to infiltrate society on a planet and use their growing synaptic link to lure the hive to the planet.

 xXSir MontyXx wrote:
I can however beleive that these are only scout fleets, Searching for food because they have devoured countless species/races before. Just like they do here in this galaxy. They send gene-stealers to infiltrate society on a planet and use their growing synaptic link to lure the hive to the planet.

The 6th edition rulebook flatout states that what has hit us so far has simply been the vanguard.


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Hashbeth wrote:
Why the tyranids flee:

1) Mundane explanation
Perhaps the Tyranid's galaxy is merely dying. Galaxies do that. Star production starts to shut down, and no new stars = limited lifespan of a galaxy. It may simply be impossible for the nids to stay there, and thus they are fleeing from typical resource depletion.

Considering we're their 13th buffet, their galaxy died a long, long time ago.

Hashbeth wrote:
2) Less Mundane
An enemy force has developed efficient bio-weaponry. A force like the tyranids could be completely annihilated by sufficiently advanced genetics altering bio-weapons. Really, it's somewhat disappointing the Eldar haven't already done this, as bio-engineering shouldn't be that difficult for a sufficiently advanced civilization. But, C'est la vie, the Eldar suck at things and stall the final battle.

Maybe, but the fact they've stopped 12 times already on the way here for a snack isn't 'flight' behaviour. It's 'fight' behaviour.

Hashbeth wrote:
3) Super Un-mundane
The Tyranid's galaxy has become sentient, the super massive black hole at its center going on a rampage to devour all life. Faced with this unstoppable juggernaut of an enemy, the tyranids had no choice but to run.

Again, even if this happened, they've devoured so many galaxies before ours they're no longer running, just eating.

 -Loki- wrote:

 xXSir MontyXx wrote:
I can however beleive that these are only scout fleets, Searching for food because they have devoured countless species/races before. Just like they do here in this galaxy. They send gene-stealers to infiltrate society on a planet and use their growing synaptic link to lure the hive to the planet.

The 6th edition rulebook flatout states that what has hit us so far has simply been the vanguard.

I too have read this. Surprising that so many would argue against it. I am stating that I will gladly listen to a theory that has this as its backing. Anything else cannot work because it has already been declared that the Hivemind is poking and prodding us right now until its full force arrives.

 King Pariah wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Considering the wide berth they give the dyson sphere which probably now contains a fairly powerful shard of the Outsider, I'd think that similarly energy based beings wouldn't be out of the question.

Or that none of the vanguards in the area survived (because they're all dead Necron worlds anyway) so there was no reason to actually go there.

Tyranids follow their vanguard psychic beacons. If the vanguards don't transmit their beacon, the Tyranids don't bother (because there's not enough life to sustain a vanguard, it's not going to have enough life to entice a fleet).

If memory serves, the dyson sphere lies a bit outside of the galaxy and was in the Tyranid line of advance upon the galaxy.

The Tyranids 'line of advance' has been 'vaguely east'. The first two large hive fleets hit the eastern fringe, but Leviathan hit from below. There's also, according to the Tyranid codex been fleets hitting from everywhere but north.

Not to mention, they still ate 12 galaxies before us. That's one hell of a detour for the Outsider to send his minions on, not to mention the timelines don't line up once you factor in the time needed to devour and travel between 12 galaxies.

 -Loki- wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Considering the wide berth they give the dyson sphere which probably now contains a fairly powerful shard of the Outsider, I'd think that similarly energy based beings wouldn't be out of the question.

Or that none of the vanguards in the area survived (because they're all dead Necron worlds anyway) so there was no reason to actually go there.

Tyranids follow their vanguard psychic beacons. If the vanguards don't transmit their beacon, the Tyranids don't bother (because there's not enough life to sustain a vanguard, it's not going to have enough life to entice a fleet).

If memory serves, the dyson sphere lies a bit outside of the galaxy and was in the Tyranid line of advance upon the galaxy.

The Tyranids 'line of advance' has been 'vaguely east'. The first two large hive fleets hit the eastern fringe, but Leviathan hit from below. There's also, according to the Tyranid codex been fleets hitting from everywhere but north.

Not to mention, they still ate 12 galaxies before us. That's one hell of a detour for the Outsider to send his minions on, not to mention the timelines don't line up once you factor in the time needed to devour and travel between 12 galaxies.

Fleets may come from other directions because they were able to wipe out a galaxy on their own and did not need the help of the main body. Not all galaxies are going to have advanced civilizations. Most will probably have very primitive beings and animals. If any life at all. The main body probably only comes when needed, and so far humanity and all our buddies here have been quite a pest.

 -Loki- wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Considering the wide berth they give the dyson sphere which probably now contains a fairly powerful shard of the Outsider, I'd think that similarly energy based beings wouldn't be out of the question.

Or that none of the vanguards in the area survived (because they're all dead Necron worlds anyway) so there was no reason to actually go there.

Tyranids follow their vanguard psychic beacons. If the vanguards don't transmit their beacon, the Tyranids don't bother (because there's not enough life to sustain a vanguard, it's not going to have enough life to entice a fleet).

If memory serves, the dyson sphere lies a bit outside of the galaxy and was in the Tyranid line of advance upon the galaxy.

The Tyranids 'line of advance' has been 'vaguely east'. The first two large hive fleets hit the eastern fringe, but Leviathan hit from below. There's also, according to the Tyranid codex been fleets hitting from everywhere but north.

Not to mention, they still ate 12 galaxies before us. That's one hell of a detour for the Outsider to send his minions on, not to mention the timelines don't line up once you factor in the time needed to devour and travel between 12 galaxies.

Wha...? Confused. Are you saying you believe that the nids are minions of the Outsider? While I know I have some radical ideas when it comes to 40k, that's even ludicrous for me...

What I was saying, that the galactic map shows that when the nids came from their last buffet, their line of advance splits and goes around the dyson sphere as if to avoid it.

 -Loki- wrote:


Considering we're their 13th buffet, their galaxy died a long, long time ago.

And perhaps far, far away?

Clearly they're running from Darth Vader.

 King Pariah wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Considering the wide berth they give the dyson sphere which probably now contains a fairly powerful shard of the Outsider, I'd think that similarly energy based beings wouldn't be out of the question.

Or that none of the vanguards in the area survived (because they're all dead Necron worlds anyway) so there was no reason to actually go there.

Tyranids follow their vanguard psychic beacons. If the vanguards don't transmit their beacon, the Tyranids don't bother (because there's not enough life to sustain a vanguard, it's not going to have enough life to entice a fleet).

If memory serves, the dyson sphere lies a bit outside of the galaxy and was in the Tyranid line of advance upon the galaxy.

The Tyranids 'line of advance' has been 'vaguely east'. The first two large hive fleets hit the eastern fringe, but Leviathan hit from below. There's also, according to the Tyranid codex been fleets hitting from everywhere but north.

Not to mention, they still ate 12 galaxies before us. That's one hell of a detour for the Outsider to send his minions on, not to mention the timelines don't line up once you factor in the time needed to devour and travel between 12 galaxies.

Wha...? Confused. Are you saying you believe that the nids are minions of the Outsider? While I know I have some radical ideas when it comes to 40k, that's even ludicrous for me...

What I was saying, that the galactic map shows that when the nids came from their last buffet, their line of advance splits and goes around the dyson sphere as if to avoid it.

Yeah, sorry, I thought you were referencing the old 'The Outsider made the Tyranids' theory. I actually forgot how this conversation thread started.

And yeah, the fact that the Tyranids avoid the dyson spheres general area can logically be tied to 'no vanguards survied' for whatever reason. If there's no psychic beacon, the Tyranids don't go for the planet. If there's no psychic beacons at all in an area they sent plenty to, there's reason enough to avoid it. The general idea of there being no food to sustain a vanguard would be a gigantic super predator like the Tyranids prime concern. The fact that none survived probably doesn't enter their thoughts - no beacon, avoid the area.

If the tyranids are running away from something then it's got to be hell scary! Anyway their tactics don't suggest desperation