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 Miguelsan wrote:
Did I miss something or now GW is charging 3€ extra for the cheap canvas bag that other manufacturers throw in for free?

Technically, I think it's 18€ of tools in a 90€ bag.

Ahaha.. 'Precision engineered to be the best hobby tools in the world'

I'm a professional modelmaker and that makes me chuckle

 Ouze wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Did I miss something or now GW is charging 3€ extra for the cheap canvas bag that other manufacturers throw in for free?

Technically, I think it's 18€ of tools in a 90€ bag.

And the bag was precision engineered

M.

So has anyone had a sales pitch from GW employees for this crap?

Id love to hear them explain how theyre precision, the best and hobby tool...all at same time, when theyre made of aluminum, rather than carbon steel, you cant describe that as the best, are they really precision engineered? can we buy 10,000 of them and measure them all within a couple of thou? I doubt it because cnc tooling is very expensive and for that level of accuracy you spend twice as much on tool bits. And to what end do we need clippers that precise? ... we dont! ... the knife.. well Is it more precise than a Swann & Morton scalpel? proably not.
The best hobby tool kit mightve included a razor saw tbh. ... so much fail in one product release...

So that leaves Hobby Tool.. which Id agree with, theyre crap quality hobby level toolage... maybe theyre the 'best' in the class of hobby tools... (only one in class?) as real tools wouldnt label themselves 'for hobby use only'.

:/ GW really think this little of us?

This is actually the most mockable release theyve done in ages, and theyve done some doozies!

HairySticks wrote:
:/ GW really think this little of us?

Yes.

$30 for a pair of sprue clippers, Jesus Christ...sorry, "precision engineered" sprue clippers. Seriously, you're cutting parts off of a sprue, how "precise" do your clippers really have to be? It's not fething surgery, you know.

HairySticks wrote:
all at same time, when theyre made of aluminum, rather than carbon steel, you cant describe that as the best,

I believe it's only the brown handles that are anodised aluminium. The shiny bits are actually steel. At least that's what I'm guessing, making tools out of all aluminium is crazy.

are they really precision engineered? can we buy 10,000 of them and measure them all within a couple of thou? I doubt it because cnc tooling is very expensive and for that level of accuracy you spend twice as much on tool bits. And to what end do we need clippers that precise? ... we dont! ... the knife.. well Is it more precise than a Swann & Morton scalpel? proably not.

As far as I'm aware, there is no measure of "precision engineered", could be within 0.001mm or 0.1mm, it just means manufactured in a well controlled way with well defined tolerances, where errors aren't random and unknown but controlled and well understood.


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 Sidstyler wrote:

HairySticks wrote:
:/ GW really think this little of us?

Yes.

$30 for a pair of sprue clippers, Jesus Christ...sorry, "precision engineered" sprue clippers. Seriously, you're cutting parts off of a sprue, how "precise" do your clippers really have to be? It's not fething surgery, you know.

Actually, I think there's a lot of room for quality and precision in clippers. A cheap set will tear at a model and a good set will do a nice clean cut that requires minimal cleaning up.

Of course, GW clippers in the past have NOT been good quality and I'm sure as hell not paying $32AUD to find out if these ones are well made.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I believe it's only the brown handles that are anodised aluminium. The shiny bits are actually steel.

That is correct.

Meanwhile on manticgames.com:





Okay, they won't be the Xuron Micro Shears I mentioned earlier, but if you want budget and good, they can't be beat.

I think those clippers are what GW used to sell.

I have the same type in front of me right now and have had them for years.

Yes the yellow handles are what GW used to sell... best clippers they ever sold imo. ... they went more and more downhill with each revision of citadel branded ones.. the yellow ones are quite generic once removed fomr the citadel (re) packaging.

Ahh yes, they do state 'stainless steel' ... which I guess is better than ally... but cannot possibly be described as the best. Carbon Steel would be (probably still isnt the BEST choice).
...who wants to pay £20 for some stainless steel snips? when xuron will do precision micro shears for £7.50 on ebay?

GW did sell those clippers, just with red handles. I've been using the same ones since 2008, they were that good. If the new ones perform better than this trusty pair I'll be surprised.

HairySticks wrote:
Ahh yes, they do state 'stainless steel' ... which I guess is better than ally... but cannot possibly be described as the best. Carbon Steel would be (probably still isnt the BEST choice).
...who wants to pay £20 for some stainless steel snips? when xuron will do precision micro shears for £7.50 on ebay?

There's so many alloys of stainless steel and carbon steel and so many different ways of heat treating it that it's really impossible to tell. Carbon steel typically can be alloyed and tempered to have the highest yield strength and highest energy absorption... but I can guarantee you the vast majority of tools you buy are no where near any such limit let alone a limit optimised for the particular purpose. I have tool maker friends who swear by stainless for many applications.... but given we have no idea WHAT alloy and what heat treatment they've given them, it's really impossible to comment without doing testing, even if we did know I'm sure some metallurgists could continue to debate for page after page about it, lol.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

HairySticks wrote:
Ahh yes, they do state 'stainless steel' ... which I guess is better than ally... but cannot possibly be described as the best. Carbon Steel would be (probably still isnt the BEST choice).
...who wants to pay £20 for some stainless steel snips? when xuron will do precision micro shears for £7.50 on ebay?

There's so many alloys of stainless steel and carbon steel and so many different ways of heat treating it that it's really impossible to tell. Carbon steel typically can be alloyed and tempered to have the highest yield strength and highest energy absorption... but I can guarantee you the vast majority of tools you buy are no where near any such limit let alone a limit optimised for the particular purpose. I have tool maker friends who swear by stainless for many applications.... but given we have no idea WHAT alloy and what heat treatment they've given them, it's really impossible to comment without doing testing, even if we did know I'm sure some metallurgists could continue to debate for page after page about it, lol.

Oh ofcourse. But GW state that these are the best (hobby) tools in the world. So I'm being pedantic and picky about what constitutes being 'the best' ... being made from average materials when theres better available doesnt fit the bill to me. - I'm under no delusions that we actually need anything close to tempered carbon steel ultra quality that can cut anything like butter... we cut styrene plastic with them... they barely actually need an edge tbh. Its just GW's false claims of the best that I'm picking fault with.

Well the "best quality clippers in the world" could be stainless. I know you can get exceptional edge holding qualities from certain alloys of stainless when they're properly treated and then they don't rust or need to be coated in oil either.

You can't easily make a sword from any stainless alloys I know about, because edge holding isn't the only important parameter, and making super high quality thin knife blades I imagine would also difficult out of stainless.

But clippers don't really have the same constraints, so maybe you could do "worlds best" quality out of stainless when it comes to clippers that at worst cut very soft metal, because in that case edge holding ability is probably the primary factor and that's something (certain) stainless steels can do very well.

The knife looks ghastly. Chunky and unwieldy, and any tools made of plastic are crap in my opinion. I despise plastic knives.

Here's what I use.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Swann-Morton-Brass-Craft-Tool-Handle/dp/B008J4CSZ4

I bought one over 10 years ago because my dad has been using one for 30+ years. Cheap and indestructible.

I know a doctor, and he tells me those rip-open bags of tools they use to conduct basic surgery cost significantly less than this. It made me chuckle

Never bothered with GW knives. The razor saw was always OK though. The new sculpting tools look a lot better than the old one.

Still going to keep my old GW drill though. Say what you want about the other GW tools, the drill is wonderful. I fear the day my last drill bit breaks (although given that in the 4 years I've owned it, only 3 out of the 15 or so it comes with have snapped, I should be fine).

It does look like they have stepped theirgame up mwith these new tools though. And even if they turn out to be crap, the bronze finish looks nice.

 Harriticus wrote:
I know a doctor, and he tells me those rip-open bags of tools they use to conduct basic surgery cost significantly less than this. It made me chuckle

Are they actually high quality compared to tools you might buy at a hardware store? I always imagined that anything bladed used for surgery was only designed to hold a good edge for a few uses.

Also it's intended for slicing through skin/flesh rather than plastic....

 scarletsquig wrote:
Meanwhile on manticgames.com:





Okay, they won't be the Xuron Micro Shears I mentioned earlier, but if you want budget and good, they can't be beat.

£1.99?

I remember paying about £6.00 for them from GW.... Oh how young and naive I was.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Meanwhile on manticgames.com:

Spoiler:

Okay, they won't be the Xuron Micro Shears I mentioned earlier, but if you want budget and good, they can't be beat.

That review is an inside Job of course, It has no GW logo on it so it must be cheapware!

Just a review and comparison of the tools.

http://tomschadleminiatures.blogspot.ca/2014/04/games-workshop-has-recently-advertised.html?showComment=1398201346370#c3907977195473647213

 Ravenous D wrote:
Just a review and comparison of the tools.

http://tomschadleminiatures.blogspot.ca/2014/04/games-workshop-has-recently-advertised.html?showComment=1398201346370#c3907977195473647213

id hardly call that a review

 Ravenous D wrote:
Just a review and comparison of the tools.

http://tomschadleminiatures.blogspot.ca/2014/04/games-workshop-has-recently-advertised.html?showComment=1398201346370#c3907977195473647213

Yeah that's pretty useless. It's basically "here's other tools that are cheaper". Even though they're over priced, I'd actually like to see a proper review of them, not just "these be expensive, buy something else".

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
Just a review and comparison of the tools.

http://tomschadleminiatures.blogspot.ca/2014/04/games-workshop-has-recently-advertised.html?showComment=1398201346370#c3907977195473647213

Yeah that's pretty useless. It's basically "here's other tools that are cheaper". Even though they're over priced, I'd actually like to see a proper review of them, not just "these be expensive, buy something else".

I don't think he understands the mold line scraper, either. The comments on it kind of undermine his credibility as a "reviewer".

Not to say that he doesn't have a point on "you can find most of this stuff way cheaper", but little things like that bother me.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Just a review and comparison of the tools.

http://tomschadleminiatures.blogspot.ca/2014/04/games-workshop-has-recently-advertised.html?showComment=1398201346370#c3907977195473647213

How can someone review tools that aren't even out yet? How is this even a review?

All those detractors on that "review" he shows good alternatives and in the end. you have more tools for less money than the GW option.

Maybe it is not a real review, but it makes clear that the GW tool set is "slightly" overpriced.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
All those detractors on that "review" he shows good alternatives and in the end. you have more tools for less money than the GW option.

Maybe it is not a real review, but it makes clear that the GW tool set is "slightly" overpriced.

If it's not a review then don't call it a review! It's abuse of language I tell you! Abuse!

defo not a review, just saying 'yeah... buy these instead'. I'm inclined to agree with him though.

I dont need to try GW's new tools to tell you that theres absolutely zero special about any of them (except their exorbitant pricing); going off their previous generations of tools... theyre either bog standard quality at high quality prices, or just crap in general.
... they even removed a really useful tool; the razor saw :/

lol Im not sure why I'm bitching about it though; I didnt buy GW's last generation of tools either because of high prices and low quality. Prices just tripled :/ ... Quality mightve tripled too, who knows, but the cheapo tools I've already got are doing the job just fine, Having 'the best' tools... isnt going to make any difference atall to my modeling experience tbh.

If anything it would make me depressed to be reminded of the ripoff everytime i got them out.

A complete and utter ripoff.

The people that set pricing must be laughing themselves silly at the power-fisted rectal exam they are giving to anyone who buys this toolkit of fail.