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2009/06/24 07:13:21
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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[MOD]
Grimdark Advice Columnist
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Wargames Factory is making sets of plastic greatcoat troopers and is now posting some final renders for the heads.
Go here to talk to the sculpter and give your opinions:
http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/2009/06/23/sf-greatcoat-helmets/page1/
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2009/06/24 08:17:40
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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3d rendering bothers me. I can't help thinking that traditional sculpting is going to be obsolete pretty soon. Heads look cool though
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2009/06/24 08:36:55
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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captain.gordino wrote:3d rendering bothers me. I can't help thinking that traditional sculpting is going to be obsolete pretty soon. Heads look cool though
it may become obsolete, but some of us will still kick it old school baby! WAHOOO!
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2009/06/24 08:41:28
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Plastictrees
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Still, those designs look pretty good. Cept for that weirdo one ... bottom pic, left head.
I dunno why, but it looks fugly.
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2009/06/24 09:02:05
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Horrific Haemonculous
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3D rendering is a good thing. Sure, traditional sculpting has its charm, but it takes a lot longer.
I think the heads are really cool, but I personally prefer the Death Korps 'pipe' masks.
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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. |
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2009/06/24 09:21:14
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Orc Big Boss waving a Banner
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As much as I would normally grumble about computers taking over the world (especially CGI in films), can't help but say that some of the new stuff being produced is simply of a better quality than the old stuff.
As for these heads and indeed other heads, bodies, arms and other paraphernalia, what's the score with using them for GW events?
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2009/06/24 09:24:33
Subject: Re:Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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Rise... Lord Vader.
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"gluttons for punishment" units with the gluttons for punishment special rule will never retreat however, they will take additional beatings after combat represented by taking wounds equal to the number they lost the combat by.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
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2009/06/24 12:40:22
Subject: Re:Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Calculating Commissar
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I don't like the Darth Vader one, the rest are good!
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2009/06/24 13:38:18
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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The second one from the left on the top row, I like.
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With the galaxy as large as it is the odds of the average guardsmen seeing and fighting a marine or MEQ are relatively slim. Unfortunately the guardsmen in your (and anyone else who plays IG's) army are the REALLY, REALLY LUCKY ones that fight marines ALL the time... |
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2009/06/24 14:05:38
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Oberstleutnant
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Except for the one, they all look pretty similar. I would be quite happy with any of those. The "other" one...I can't decide if I like it or not. There's something sort of cheesy or campy about it, but I can't figure out if it's good or bad.
It might look kind of cool as a helmet/mask to differentiate a different unit, like engineers or something.
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2009/06/24 14:29:45
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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The blastmask-type (bottom right) is nice and would be used for a special weapon dude in my squads (flamers for example).
Other than that I don't really care which head makes it in the final production, they are all quite nice.
Greets
Schepp himself
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Fantasy: Skaven, Vampires |
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2009/06/24 14:48:24
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Calculating Commissar
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it's the Helgast from Killzone 2!!
BrianCox wrote:Sons and daughters of Helghan. This much I vow.
The history of these days will be written in blood. By crushing the armies of our enemy, by seizing the weapons they thought to turn against us, we are fighting for our very existence.
But if there are those who would deny us peace; refuse us our rightful place in the universe, then we will unleash such terrible vengeance that generations yet unborn will cry out in anguish!
The enemy may shatter our bodies, but they cannot break our spirit.
Even now they advance on our home world, to seize by force what they cannot claim by right. They cannot imagine what awaits them.
WE WILL SMITE THE INVADERS FROM OUR SKIES.
Though they sweep over our lands like the sands of winter; Never again will we bow before them; Never again endure their oppression; Never again endure their tyranny. We will strike without warning and without mercy; fighting as one hand, one heart, one soul. We will shatter their dreams and haunt their nightmares. Drenching our ancestors' graves with their blood.
And as our last breath tears at their lungs; as we rise again from the ruins of our cities ...
... they will know, Helghan belongs to the Helghast.
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2009/06/24 14:54:36
Subject: Re:Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Implacable Black Templar Initiate
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Traditional sculpting may never be obsolete. Even Pixar has a sculpter create their final incarnation of characters before they are digitized into a computer. I do both but I am better with the computer than with green stuff. I do reccomend the many tutorials online for sculpting because the tips can be used for computer sculpting as well. Someday I hope to own one of those desktop 3D printers so I can make my own titans without plasticard and spot on scale. It will be more expensive but SO much easier.
Oh yeah, I like the detial on the heads too. 
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When I get home I'm going to do SO much coke and ---- hot women. It will be like, 'It's 5pm..., time to do some coke and ---- hot women!' |
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2009/06/24 15:20:02
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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[MOD]
Grimdark Advice Columnist
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2009/06/24 16:49:59
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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[MOD]
Purveyor of Heresy
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That "special" helmet looks like it's for snow combat.
I don't know why I think that.
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DQ:70S++G+++M+B++I+Pw40k94+ID+++A++/sWD178R+++T(I)DM+++
Chance favors only the prepared mind. Rule #1
- Paraphrased from Louis Pasteur
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2009/06/25 00:46:15
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Nimble Dark Rider
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Iorek wrote:That "special" helmet looks like it's for snow combat.
I don't know why I think that.
It bears a passing resemblance to the Star Wars Galactic Marines / Snowtroopers
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2009/06/25 01:39:28
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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[DCM]
Angels Vindictus Terminator with Plasma Cannon
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Okay, those CADs are nice. Should enhance an Ash Wastes/Steel Legion army quite nicely.
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2012:
40k/WHFB Games Played: 0
Money spent on models: $1161.73
Models fully painted: 0 (178 fully base coated)
Blog: Breotan's Skaven Army
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2009/06/25 02:02:44
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Stabbin' Skarboy
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The best part of this news is that deciding which two head designs make it onto the sprue is pretty much the last step to finalizing the sprue contents.
Then it's off to the printer for a few prototypes to paint and use in displays, and then we can finally get our grubby little hands on them
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2009/06/25 02:25:54
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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[DCM]
Half man, half amazing.
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Wow, those look really good. If the finished sculpts come out that well, then these will be pretty popular I imagine.
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2009/06/25 07:06:12
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Skillful Swordmaster
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captain.gordino wrote:3d rendering bothers me. I can't help thinking that traditional sculpting is going to be obsolete pretty soon. Heads look cool though
Such is "progress". We have the same thing in my career field. Drop me into 50 years ago, and I wouldn't have the faintest clue on how to do my job.
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Nights Justice Space Marines 
Eldar Craftworld Eth-Kariel
Spear of Kornous - High Elf Expeditionary Army  |
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2009/06/25 09:14:14
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Never-Miss Nightwing Pilot
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IT's difficult to look at larger 3-D renders on a screen and see what will look good in 28mm plastic.
My guess is that masks without the trailing tube will be better- especially the 3rd of the larger ones, on the right (3rd from left on top row, among the smaller ones). Also, that blast mask just won't look good in real life because the eye slits will be too small, narrow and close to the brim of the helmet.
Perhaps such difference in detail and realism before plastic molding might be a drawback of 3-d rendering vs. traditional sculpting. Rapid prototyping with decent detail could negate the drawback, but that's a ways away, isn't it?
Regardless: I am so, so, SO happy that WGF is making these. I hope they make a bank doing what GW should have done years ago.
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Put your money where your mouth is. If you're disgusted with Games Workshop's pricing and treatment of their customers, stop buying from them. If you really must have GW stuff, buy secondhand -only-. |
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2009/06/25 09:16:06
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Deus Ex Dead Harbinger
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I would love it if they have:
-Breather tube
-Large Gas mask lenses
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2009/06/25 14:40:44
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Hooded Inquisitorial Interrogator
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Cheese Elemental wrote:3D rendering is a good thing. Sure, traditional sculpting has its charm, but it takes a lot longer.
From what I understand, when designing a completely new model from the ground up, traditional sculpting is faster. The analogy I heard is that for comic books inking a drawing by hand is much faster for a skilled inker than tracing on the computer.
I think there will always be a place for traditional sculpting, but computer generated rendering is ideal for a number of applications.
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Redstripe Envy: My thoughts as a freelance writer, role-playing game-master and player, and wargamer.
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2009/06/25 14:56:06
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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[DCM]
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Those would be great for my valhallans, but they are metal and the way they are done, you have to grind out the neck area. No thanks.
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"imagine this straw...in your skull!!!" -Genghis Connie, former master of all 2nd grade (and Frazzled's light in a world of greys) Jeez she's as tall as the Wife now!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-“It will be a three-fold assault consisting of rapid response assault troops (dachshunds), cavalry (soldiers riding giant dachshunds), and airborne troopers (parachuting dachshunds). We shall take over the nations of the cat-worshipping heretics.” -Micahaphone on the coming of Dachshundskrieg.
-"you smash through the door in a wiener dog suit, brandish a hunk of pancake batter & chocolate chip covered sausage roll above your head triumphantly, and shrilly howl "FREEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!", and eat it in one bite, only to grab another from the 10 you have stowed on your belt. "-daedalus-templarius
Frazzled, the only man to have proven before a jury that playing 40K does not make you strange, just a dork. |
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2009/06/26 21:31:24
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Thinking of Joining a Davinite Loge
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When I saw them I was nearly sick. I need them so badly!
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Armies:
(SM) - Iron Warriors (Pre-Heresy)
(CSM) - Night Lords (True-scale project)
(CSM) - Red Corsairs
(DE) - Kabal of Ouroboros
(IG) - Nox noctis Peregrinus (Renegades) |
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2009/06/29 08:32:02
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Frothing Warhound of Chaos
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Yeah this is so amazing. i want them now. i needed them weeks ago!
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2009/06/29 09:54:46
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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Yellin' Yoof on a Scooter
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Awesome, I am a right sucka for gas masks!
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2009/06/29 12:44:12
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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[MOD]
Head of Southern Hemisphere Distribution
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Car industry designers still do a lot of work using clay and other physical models because the physicality of the medium helps them visualise the presence of the final body in a way which 3D modelling doesn't.
A lot of games artists like to use materials and paper drawings for similar reasons.
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Well! This is a most unexpected turn of events! For, is it the fifth time, now?
"In case you ever read this, here is how the whole thing works: before civilisation, the weak and old and disabled were left out at night to feed the wolves. Civilisation basically means giving natural selection a kick in the nuts. Work out the details for yourself."
Forum posting guidelines, please learn them! You will be tested. |
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2009/06/29 13:05:10
Subject: Plastic greatcoat troopers, heads are being rendered
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[MOD]
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Kilkrazy wrote:Car industry designers still do a lot of work using clay and other physical models because the physicality of the medium helps them visualise the presence of the final body in a way which 3D modelling doesn't.
A lot of games artists like to use materials and paper drawings for similar reasons.
Some of us still like to prepare written stuff on paper before we type a first draft.
Crazy, I know.
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2009/06/29 14:21:37
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[DCM]
Depressed and burnt out script writer
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malfred wrote:Kilkrazy wrote:Car industry designers still do a lot of work using clay and other physical models because the physicality of the medium helps them visualise the presence of the final body in a way which 3D modelling doesn't.
A lot of games artists like to use materials and paper drawings for similar reasons.
Some of us still like to prepare written stuff on paper before we type a first draft.
Crazy, I know.
Not crazy, but stylishly old-fashioned. 
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COMING SOON TO CHANNEL7 - The insidious masterminds of HADES are constantly threatening the free nations of the world through acts of terror and theft of top secret equipment. The scheming Elliot Fontaine is trying to dominate the world market with his Fontaine Industries products. The evil Red Empire is encroaching upon the world with its armies of misguided minions. The Republic of Alruco is a hotbed of intrigue and murder. Finally.. the mysterious island Kingdom of Korvosa are getting more and more bold with their science projects.
The forces of good are preparing their agencies, amongst them the British CROWN and American OMEGA, to combat these evil factions and ensure that freedom will prevail once more! |
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