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2014/07/24 21:17:55
Subject: Re:[Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Mega excited about this, I reckon it has the potential to be Mantic's biggest Kickstarter to date.
Agree that it does at least have the potential. If they bring out dungeon builder terrain sprues, all bets are off. I'm not sure if they realise just how much cash being first to market with that product would make them. The dwarven forge stuff is brilliant, but there's plenty of room for a budget option in hard plastic too.
Just as long as they don't use the damn battlezones connectors. Horrible things.
There was no mention of plastic tiles in the video - as Chillreaper says maybe they have tried them and they haven't worked? If so, it's perhaps wishful thinking to imagine them coming despite stretch goals.
Ronnie mentioned card that was of high quality (better than the stuff that was in DKH).
Although, I think this KS has an appeal far beyond just plastic tiles. You only have to look at how much Gamezone was making with their Heroquest before that got pulled, and that was despite the internet throwing its arms up in the air about the legal implications!
Honestly, that video was tremendously enthusing and well worth sitting down with for 15 mins with a cup of tea.
I wouldn't mind plastic tiles as an option, but I'm much happier with card. It's just easier all round.
I just hope they don't take any short cuts on production. But I can always sub in my better looking Red Box Games and hard plastic Undead if it does look sub par. I'd just rather not have to.
It's going to have a narrative campaign and then a huge book filled with rules for every undead model Mantic makes (for use as wandering monsters), new heroes, character classes, rules for levelling up stats, spending gold on new gear, building dungeons, dungeon designing for DM's to run a tabletop campaign etc.
More like Heroquest with Advanced heroquest bolted on and a lot of the more interesting stuff from Warhammer Quest (in terms of character levelling and campaign packs etc.).
I hope it's the case, but I'd like to see a lot more than just undead stats included - like Advanced HQ had a lot more than just skaven statted out in the basic rules.
Oh, and I heard August 1st start date and $100 sweet spot with Early Birds getting an extra resin model(s)? rather than receiving a discount.
Not happening, thankfully. I fed back my thoughts on this to Stewart and:
Stewart from Mantic wrote:
Don't worry, we won't be doing that :-). That was a suggestion mentioned at the open day that someone took as confirmed.
So all is good.
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Pacific wrote: Great interview with Ronnie Renton on Beasts of War, which actually includes some painted examples of the minis (some of the heroes and a skellie)
Haha, yes they do get enthusiastic about stuff. But, I like it, and find myself looking more forward to stuff when I watch them, which I suppose can only be a good thing (or bad thing depending on the wallet point of view).
I hope it's the case, but I'd like to see a lot more than just undead stats included - like Advanced HQ had a lot more than just skaven statted out in the basic rules.
From the sounds of things the '2nd half' of the boxset will have rules all of the other miniatures in the KoW range (inc. some we haven't seen yet).
Any idea if DKH will be compatible with the Battlesystems fantasy terrain?
I (and a number of others here) have the sci-fi stuff coming and it looks great, it seems as though battlesystems terrain is more in depth than the stuff planned for DKH.
edit: Even better would be if Mantic teamed up with battlesystems imo. They seem to be on good terms with Mantic lending them pre-release miniatures.
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2014/07/25 11:36:01
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Can't see any reason why it wouldn't work, although naturally it'll be better suited to your own campaigns since the double-width of the walls will probably complicate things with the layouts for the fixed scenarios.
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2014/07/25 19:15:59
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Yeah I linked to the pictures but took them down again as the Mantic server is really struggling right now. Nice looking minis and more zombies they get everywhere!
2014/07/25 20:05:53
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
I'm ripping content and pictures from the secret mantic site for anyone who can't be bothered with entering passwords and such to view it. Got the new pics of the skeletons and zombies over there and will add the character profiles next.
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2014/07/26 01:51:56
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Pacific wrote: Haha, yes they do get enthusiastic about stuff. But, I like it, and find myself looking more forward to stuff when I watch them, which I suppose can only be a good thing (or bad thing depending on the wallet point of view).
I hope it's the case, but I'd like to see a lot more than just undead stats included - like Advanced HQ had a lot more than just skaven statted out in the basic rules.
From the sounds of things the '2nd half' of the boxset will have rules all of the other miniatures in the KoW range (inc. some we haven't seen yet).
I took it to be that the 2nd half of the box would just have the stats for their entire undead range.
And yeah, I generally like BoW (especially since that clueless, rambly, annoying guy left) but I don't watch/read it too often because it just feels a bit too much like the gaming infomercial channel, where everything is absolutely awesome.
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scarletsquig wrote: Can't see any reason why it wouldn't work, although naturally it'll be better suited to your own campaigns since the double-width of the walls will probably complicate things with the layouts for the fixed scenarios.
Yeah, I imagine it would work well for either GMed adventures or less randomly-generated solo ones. The tiles lend themselves to a layout of "tunnels through rock" dungeons while the BS terrain is much more of the "all the rooms inside the building" - or "fill in every bit of the graph paper" style of dungeon building.
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scarletsquig wrote: Done. I'm ripping content and pictures from the secret mantic site for anyone who can't be bothered with entering passwords and such to view it. Got the new pics of the skeletons and zombies over there and will add the character profiles next.
Much appreciated for doing that.
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.Mikes. wrote: Did I read a while back that the Dungeon Saga KS would include fantasy scenery tiles such as DZ's, or was I just dreaming?
Just speculation as of now. Though Mantic did say they would be doing plastic fantasy castle terrain, ala Deadzone, for their next project, which is a Kings of War version of Mordhiem with small warbands fighting each other. But that wont be until next year.
.Mikes. wrote: Did I read a while back that the Dungeon Saga KS would include fantasy scenery tiles such as DZ's, or was I just dreaming?
Just speculation as of now. Though Mantic did say they would be doing plastic fantasy castle terrain, ala Deadzone, for their next project, which is a Kings of War version of Mordhiem with small warbands fighting each other. But that wont be until next year.
Ah, that's probably what I was thiking of. Cheers.
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2014/11/03 22:50:56
Subject: Re:[Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Thanks to everyone for the feedback on Friday’s blog post. Moving Deadzone back to early next year seems to be the popular choice and there were some great recommendations for new factions. We’ll have some chats here at the bunker and work up some ideas and drawings.
We also have confirmation that DBX is on the sea and on the way to us. I flew in a copy of the box and a couple of the minis to take with me to Crisis this weekend. It is all looking spot on, particularly the plastics. I will have a ‘DreadBall – the future of the sports game of the future’ (what a mouthful!) blog post in a couple of weeks, but those of you that backed this will have some lovely toys with you in a few weeks’ time!
DBX Scenery
The above is one half of the scenery you’ll get in DreadBall Xtreme.
As I said last time, pushing Deadzone back has implications for Kings of War – there are already a couple of the campaign books (with army lists and rules in them) that are out of print and this is causing concern (rightly so). These have been OOP for a while. I have a number of European (and South American!) distributors all very keen on translating Kings of War into their own language. I don’t really want them to translate the old version, only to see it superseded within a few months – and I am not sure you’d be ok with the translations being the new version and you still being over a year away from print!
We are now running short of the hardback rulebook and the two-player set as well. If the Kickstarter goes after Deadzone it will not come in before the end of 2015 and I think that’s just too late.
Alessio and a team of KoW fanatics have been working for the last 3 months on updating the rules. By combining a refreshed rule set with a far more complete background and all the army lists – updated with new units and rebalanced – then putting all of it in one book and I think and we have the foundations of a fantastic 2nd edition.
I know Kickstarters have the potential to become a burden, and I am aware of this.
So did I consider just pre-releasing the 2nd Edition of KoW? Yes, I thought long and hard about it. But I think our fans have come to expect the amazing. Piles of plastics at great prices and any extra cash we generate being spent on new models to support their game, and more cool expansion books and background. If I put it up for pre-release we both lose the urgency that makes us get on and get things made and a deadline that sees it released soon.
I think it also undervalues just how much Kickstarter brings to the party. Over ½ the money we raise in any campaign now comes from people who have never backed a Mantic kickstarter before. I think there are a growing number of gamers in the world who are looking for a reasonably priced, well-made, fantasy Tabletop war game. We have that in KoW, but from the discussions I’ve had everyone who plays it thinks the rulebook needs both a freshen up, and for everything to be in one place. I think it also needs some publicity – a well-run campaign that raises its modest funding goal and goes past it, and allows us to get a new edition out in 2015 in 4 languages will do that.
Undead-Artwork-Army-of-Mhorgoth-large
That said, I am aware it is coming up to the time of year when our hobby money goes elsewhere, and while the argument for a Kickstarter is overwhelming, that doesn’t help the wallet!
We’ll have a low buy in pledge. It will get you a hard cover book, with rules, lots of background about the world and the armies and updated army lists. This would be a limited edition print. You also get the battle book – a soft cover book (it will come with just the army lists and rules) for taking with you to games nights and tournaments. If you just want the book, or to pay after Christmas just drop in a dollar and pick up what you want in the survey. Finally I would open a pledge for new players that gives them the rules pledge and an army to get going with it would also be a handy way for existing players the opportunity to start a new army, (or an Abyssal one )
The funding goal would be relatively low for just the book and we would only open the kickstarter for a couple of weeks, but we’d leave the pledge manager open well into the new year so everyone has as long as they need to get themselves sorted – and we’d use that time to keep the total going up and use the funds for tooling new miniatures if we overshoot the goal.
Dwarf-One-Player-Battle-Set
This means you get the new 2nd Edition Hardback Kings of War rulebook printed and into your hands mid-2015. Mantic will have 3 months focusing on this game, with the new rules, ahead of the release of Dungeon Saga too. And as always any funds we raise goes directly in to making the Kings of War universe better, through more background and new miniatures. The translated versions will be using the same rules as the English version, allowing international tournaments and cross border play from the outset. It also cleans up the printed range and puts everything in one place!
And IF you want it, and by that I mean if you run around with your arms above your head yelling ‘more, I want more’ and we sprint past the funding level we need for the book and some cool extra bits then I will use the extra funds to fill in some of the gaps in the existing armies and to tool the Abyssal army for Kings of War (which we’ve already sculpted most of). We would still keep the pledge manager open so you could add them on anytime too.
We intend to start the campaign next week and end it right at the start of December – as you can see it is a mini-kick in every sense of the word!
Let us have your ideas for what we should add to the plan below and we will try and get them made!
2014/11/03 22:55:10
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
As much as I'd like to back it, my wallet is crying from several KS lately (including a Mantic one) and will soon be split further asunder by Black Friday and Christmas.
I guess it was too good to be true when Mantic said they were going to lay off the kickstarters for the year by delaying DZ2.
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2014/11/03 23:15:40
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Have a read through the details of the ks on the blog
"That said, I am aware it is coming up to the time of year when our hobby money goes elsewhere, and while the argument for a Kickstarter is overwhelming, that doesn’t help the wallet!
We’ll have a low buy in pledge. It will get you a hard cover book, with rules, lots of background about the world and the armies and updated army lists. This would be a limited edition print. You also get the battle book – a soft cover book (it will come with just the army lists and rules) for taking with you to games nights and tournaments. If you just want the book, or to pay after Christmas just drop in a dollar and pick up what you want in the survey. Finally I would open a pledge for new players that gives them the rules pledge and an army to get going with it would also be a handy way for existing players the opportunity to start a new army, (or an Abyssal one )
The funding goal would be relatively low for just the book and we would only open the kickstarter for a couple of weeks, but we’d leave the pledge manager open well into the new year so everyone has as long as they need to get themselves sorted – and we’d use that time to keep the total going up and use the funds for tooling new miniatures if we overshoot the goal."
2014/11/03 23:24:29
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
So to hazard a guess, just the $35 and $75 pledge levels to start, then a $1 pledge manager level later and maybe a couple vanity levels if they get enough money to unlock abyssals?
NTRabbit wrote: So to hazard a guess, just the $35 and $75 pledge levels to start, then a $1 pledge manager level later and maybe a couple vanity levels if they get enough money to unlock abyssals?
Likely something like that. Models will only got up IF funding does (because Christmas - no one is forcing you!) and the $1 should be there from the start.
I think.
2014/11/04 11:02:27
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
NTRabbit wrote: So to hazard a guess, just the $35 and $75 pledge levels to start, then a $1 pledge manager level later and maybe a couple vanity levels if they get enough money to unlock abyssals?