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in the 7th ed orc and goblin army book the wording about the "choppa" rule is alot more open than in the 6th where is clearly only orcs with hand weapon and sheild on the charge get the +1 strength in round 1 of comat.
is my interpretation of the newer wording correct in that:
a) you always gain +1 strength in 1st round of combat regardless of who charges
b) even if you have an additional choppa you still gain the +1 strength

please reply with your thoughts, all comments appreciated

No, a recent thread decided that only 1+ strength is given to the first run of combat.

Its pretty clearly written in the Newer Orc and Goblin army book regarding model's on foot and first round of combat. If I remember correctly its right in the Orc section, i can place a page reference when i'm back from work.

To my knowledge, every first round of combat you get +1 Strength from a Choppa. If you get in combat for two turns, then again for another, you'd have it the first and third combat turn (the "third" being the first of a new combat) while the second would leave you at base strength.

maximosa wrote:in the 7th ed orc and goblin army book the wording about the "choppa" rule is alot more open than in the 6th where is clearly only orcs with hand weapon and sheild on the charge get the +1 strength in round 1 of comat.
is my interpretation of the newer wording correct in that:
a) you always gain +1 strength in 1st round of combat regardless of who charges
b) even if you have an additional choppa you still gain the +1 strength

please reply with your thoughts, all comments appreciated

You are correct, +1 in first round of every combat regardless of who charges.

Please note though that you never have 'an additional choppa' When you buy the
option you are buying an extra hand weapon, not an extra choppa, nobody gets two.
It is a technicality, but an important one.

whitestagg wrote:You are correct, +1 in first round of every combat regardless of who charges.

Please note though that you never have 'an additional choppa' When you buy the
option you are buying an extra hand weapon, not an extra choppa, nobody gets two.
It is a technicality, but an important one.

thanks alot. this was the sort of clarification i needed
am i right in thinking the significance of buying a second "hand weapon" is that you dont get two +1 bonuses but you still get the first +1 for having one choppa and one hw.

Yeah, I am not 100% sure of the reading but I believe it is something like 'a choppa grants an additional +1S in the first round of combat' If that is the case then having two, you could argue that you get a +2S. But since no one gets two choppas it is a mute point. Oh, also, the rule in the basic rule book says that you get an extra attack for having and extra hand weapon. A choppa is technically not a hand weapon so if you had two you would not get an extra attack....

whitestagg wrote:Yeah, I am not 100% sure of the reading but I believe it is something like 'a choppa grants an additional +1S in the first round of combat' If that is the case then having two, you could argue that you get a +2S. But since no one gets two choppas it is a mute point. Oh, also, the rule in the basic rule book says that you get an extra attack for having and extra hand weapon. A choppa is technically not a hand weapon so if you had two you would not get an extra attack....

I think there's a part of the book or FAQ that explicitly states that a choppa counts as a hand weapon (thus granting the hw+shield bonus)

jwiv wrote:I think there's a part of the book or FAQ that explicitly states that a choppa counts as a hand weapon (thus granting the hw+shield bonus)

Right in the O&G Rulebook, page 18.
"Choppas are hand weapons in all respects. They also confer a +1 Strength bonus to models on foot in the first round of each combat."

I was just making a point about specific wording. You never buy an additional choppa, only an additional hand weapon.

whitestagg wrote:I was just making a point about specific wording. You never buy an additional choppa, only an additional hand weapon.

Er, yes you can (in the American O&G Army Book, at least). Black Orcs "Armed to da teef" are stated to use two Choppas, and Orc boyz get the option to buy an additional choppa in their unit entry, instead of an additional hand weapon.

They don't stack, to my knowledge, for the same reason that Snikch's weapons do not stack (be it this 'dexes where he'd get +3S and do 3D3 wounds, or next 'dex where he does 3D3 wounds with an additional -3 to the enemies save). You get the bonus attack, nothing more.

It clearly says ''Adittional Choppa'' in the army book for ALL orcs