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mikhaila wrote: Partnership level stores in the US are allowed to purchase a 'Black Box' once a month, that comes with preview material. It's actually is a black box, with a sticker that looks like a purity seal. Sometimes it's just some sprues of upcoming models. Other times it's a book and some bitz. The last one was a Stompa! Before that, the Lizarmen book, stegadon, and 10 templeguard.

That explains a lot. I was wondering why the Lizardmen loot I had won in a paint contest were all in a black shoe box with a purity seal and no boxes or instructions on how to put it all together...

Speaking of which, anyone want some Temple Guard and a Stegadon so I can fund my IG expenditures?

Recent update from Boot Camp - Mkoll has stated that the big list of Hellhound and Leman Russ variants are, to quote him, "most if not all are wishlisting and fake".

And speaking of Mkoll, I've got another post with more updates from him coming up.

aka_mythos wrote:The demolisher relative to a battle tank is one fudge of armor value and shot change of weapon different, and so is every other variant.

I don't think they sound that ridiculous. They are pretty consistent with rumors and statement that were commented on it before it came out.

By "fudge armor value" I don't mean change randomly, I mean change it to match the other tanks. The demolisher AV does not match the Leman Russ, has different str, and AP, in addition to a large change in range. Changing AV to be more in line with other rumors and then changing the shot type =/= changing every aspect of a weapon and vehicle.
Also how is the deathstrike not ridiculous sounding? 960" range? Really? I could believe any of these rumors, but they conflict with some other rumors (ones about lowering LR AV that I hope are indeed false), the proposed chimera rules are missing the turret AC and hull HF options seen on the IA update, and the deathstrike launcher is the deathstrike launcher. The "eradicator" and its similarities with a fan made tank are not the only thing strange about these rumors.

ph34r wrote:the proposed chimera rules are missing the turret AC and hull HF options seen on the IA update

The Autocannon turret was always an Imperial Armor option(along with the Twinlinked Heavy Bolters), not a Codex option, so it's probably remaining that way. As for the Hull Heavy Flamer, from Bell of Lost Souls:

"Chimera: 55 pts. 12 10 10 Tank, Amphibious, Mobile Command Vehicle. Multi-laser, hull Heavy Bolter, searchlight and smoke launchers. Options: Upgrade Multi-laser to Heavy Flamer or Heavy Bolter - free; hull Heavy Bolter to Heavy Flamer - free; Storm Bolter or Heavy Stubber +10pts, Hunter-Killer Missile +10pts, Dozer Blade +10 pts, Extra Armour +15pts, Camo Netting +20pts."

Personally the fact that Brimstone and Yakface have not commented on this thread makes me think that there is some validity to the rumors. If they do have any inside info right now and can not talk about it yet.... Well if these were off the wall a denial would not hurt. But if they are close to the truth....

I HOPE these are true! I'm just aching to get my hands on that new codex....

ph34r wrote:By "fudge armor value" I don't mean change randomly, I mean change it to match the other tanks. The demolisher AV does not match the Leman Russ, has different str, and AP, in addition to a large change in range. Changing AV to be more in line with other rumors and then changing the shot type =/= changing every aspect of a weapon and vehicle.
Also how is the deathstrike not ridiculous sounding? 960" range? Really? I could believe any of these rumors, but they conflict with some other rumors (ones about lowering LR AV that I hope are indeed false), the proposed chimera rules are missing the turret AC and hull HF options seen on the IA update, and the deathstrike launcher is the deathstrike launcher. The "eradicator" and its similarities with a fan made tank are not the only thing strange about these rumors.

I understood what you were saying. My point was that the few similarities are only to the extent as any similarities held by variants of the leman russ tank. That unless you make a ridiculously out there variant of a leman russ it going to be grounded to that fact. And that the most of your similarities are just that sort, you can't vary things enough for a tank to both be a variant and different. The differences are more telling. The concept on the weapon is different, range is different, armor is different, and the special rules for the weapon are different; while the things that are similar are the name, the strength, and the AP. All other similarities are a product of it being a Leman Russ variant.

Before apocalypse I never used the 120" range on my Basilisk, I thought that was kinda ridiculous and just a matter of hyperbole. The same goes for the deathstrike only in that regard. The simple fact is, if you are playing on a 4 foot table, it doesn't matter what that number is because it might as well be 5.5ft (diag.) the max distance across the table. It is a stat that simply doesn't matter. They might as well have called it unlimited range, but its irrelevant because its hyperbole.

skkipper wrote:I like the odds of killing 20 orcs in the open with the heavy 20 gun

it will happen once out of every 1.5 billion rolls maybe

They'll all hit about one time in a million, and assuming strength 4 and no saves will all kill about one time in a trillion. More realistically you're looking at 3-5 boyz a turn, depending on cover.

skkipper wrote:I like the odds of killing 20 orcs in the open with the heavy 20 gun

it will happen once out of every 1.5 billion rolls maybe

According to my mathhammer, you underestimate by a little bit:
- Odds of hitting 20/20 BS3 = 1 million to 1 against.
- Odds of hitting 20/20 *and* wounding 20/20 S5 v T4 = 3.4 Billion to one against.

Your 1 in 1.5 billion is more like killing everything but the Nob.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Recent update from Boot Camp - Mkoll has stated that the big list of Hellhound and Leman Russ variants are, to quote him, "most if not all are wishlisting and fake".

No, really?!?

Death By Monkeys wrote:And speaking of Mkoll, I've got another post with more updates from him coming up.

Maybe start a new thread?