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will this even make it to the bigscreen?

I think it's been said repeatedly that it's a straight to DVD release.

I do believe it is clearly stated in the official press release.

http://www.yachtchartersmagazine.com/node/1261057

not much but people might know something about the company and/or their work.

Sounds pretty cool actually

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do. Not expecting anything great, but I'll definitely watch it.

Plus I think Dan is awesome.

Yeah they had this at the Ultramarine blog.

So if this move's gonna be rated 12+... i dunno man, thats just kinda a let down...

Bramnero wrote:So if this move's gonna be rated 12+... i dunno man, thats just kinda a let down...

WWWHAAATTTT!?!?!?!?

12+ means no chain sword cleaving in half blood tsunami

please we need at least some good news

Ultramarines movie In the range of 12+???


CANDY FOR THE CANDY GOD!

Bramnero wrote:So if this move's gonna be rated 12+... i dunno man, thats just kinda a let down...

Depends on if the antagonists are 'too human'. They can sneak in as much blood and gore as you can imagine...so long as it looks nothing human.

That's still a buzzkill - even though they can sneak alot into movies nowadays, the R-rating just gives them more freedom. More langauge granted, but more freedom to spew gore.

i mean a space marine is big, bad and really good at killing...i just pray to god it doesnt end like that sick GI JOE movie

binky wrote:That's still a buzzkill - even though they can sneak alot into movies nowadays, the R-rating just gives them more freedom. More langauge granted, but more freedom to spew gore.

Language isn't really a problem in 40k. They use made up curse words. Look at Firefly. They constantly use the word "gorram", which is a not-so-subtly altered version of... well, a much harsher term.

Likewise, nudity has no place in 40k, so that's not a problem.

So, that brings us back to violence. Do we have any sort of idea what the plot will be? I can guess. Where there's Um's, there are probably nids. And they could get away with a lot by using nids as the prime antagonist. Show all the blood you want, as long as it's green alien blood. I'm reminded of the show Saint Seiya, an anime series that could be a bit bloody at times. When ported to an American audience (as Knights of the Zodiac) they chose to recolor the blood blue or purple rather than edit it out completely. I guess being a different color makes it ok?

Or they could use creative editing. Say you have a scene where a defeated imperial guardsman is begging for his life, then the chaos lord guts him with a chainsword. Obviously the censors are not going to let this slide. I see three options:

1) The tamest: Just before the deed, the screen fades to black, but you still hear the sound effects.
2) Close focus: The scene is closely focused on the chaos lord's face. You still get sound effects and blood splatter, but no actual violence.
3) Interesting choice: The scene is visually unedited, but the soundtrack is altered. Instead of violent sound effects, you get "Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows". Instead of the original dialogue, the bleeding guardsman states, "OH NO I SPILLED THE KETCHUP." What's the problem, censors? Obviously ketchup, not blood. If there is any doubt, add a caption that reads, "JUST KETCHUP, WE SWEAR."

I think close focus or implied injury can work well at this certificaion level, just look at The Dark Knight. A very violent movie for a PG-13.

Actually I agree, The Dark Knight was a well made movie, with good scenes. But will the more subtle context of implied violence work with marines? I mean batman doesn't have open warfare, or large scale battles.

Neither do the Astartes, for the most part. They're surgical strike forces, which...quite frankly, would operate kinda like Bats.

Hit the weakest and least defended targets--go from there.

lets hope the 12+ rating doesnt turn it into a "caring is sharing" movie.

even mutant chronciles had an are it wasnt bad.

lord senobio wrote:lets hope the 12+ rating doesnt turn it into a "caring is sharing" movie.

even mutant chronciles had an are it wasnt bad.

...The Mutant Chronicles was TERRIBLE. The only redeeming factor was the sheer amount of violence against zombie/mutants--which, frankly, is why it was R.

I think a blend of styles would work, along with the subtlety I was imaginging in your face blood like in Ninja scroll, here's a vid, mute the song if you find it repetitve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLXD4UR8s4 which would be unnatainable with a PG-13 rating. If this can be accomplished in a cartoon then it should be transferrable to CGI - which is what I was told the movie will be featured in.

I thought the keyword was grimdark - IMHO this movie captured that quite nicely. However implied violence if used effectively does its job, I was just concerned if it was too tame the new 40k would lose its adult audience.

I think someone already nailed it - it will be Tyranids (yes!) feeling the wrath of the Ultramarines, and their blood will be anything except red.

Or anything close to red.

Kanluwen wrote:

lord senobio wrote:lets hope the 12+ rating doesnt turn it into a "caring is sharing" movie.

even mutant chronciles had an are it wasnt bad.

...The Mutant Chronicles was TERRIBLE. The only redeeming factor was the sheer amount of violence against zombie/mutants--which, frankly, is why it was R.

GAH, that movie SUCKED!

But I agree, they are obviously trying to catch that younger audience as always. But still Im sure the movie will rock. Youve got to realize that this movie will be chalk full of "fantasy violence" in that case, its basically fake violence, so its ok. I think we will all be rather suprised at how this movie turns out. Just watch the trailer for DOW2. That vid has violence galore in it and its a pretty bad ass video. Im sure the movie will be ALOT like that

binky wrote:I think a blend of styles would work, along with the subtlety I was imaginging in your face blood like in Ninja scroll, here's a vid, mute the song if you find it repetitve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLXD4UR8s4 which would be unnatainable with a PG-13 rating. If this can be accomplished in a cartoon then it should be transferrable to CGI - which is what I was told the movie will be featured in.

I thought the keyword was grimdark - IMHO this movie captured that quite nicely. However implied violence if used effectively does its job, I was just concerned if it was too tame the new 40k would lose its adult audience.

Not trying to be mean, but it seems the point really went over your head.

They can get away with FAR more in a PG-13 rating with "Fantasy Violence" and a foe like the Tyranids or Orks than they could if they used an enemy like the Eldar or traitor Guardsmen.

Look at the Lord of the Rings trilogy. That was pretty fething gory at parts, and pretty intense for the battles.

And yet...PG-13.

No, I got the point. But I'm assuming there will be several enemies and one of which will be human-ish How are they gonna get away with that?
Lord of the Rings was not very gory at all... hence the PG-13. But the battles were very epic given when it was made and still hold up comparably to what movies are capable of now.
I just can't envison a long movie where they blow up bugs for over an hour... oh wait Starship Troopers got away with it... I doubt anything new could top that though.

It depends on what you mean by "human-ish". The ratings boards let alot slide once you go past the standard 'humans in different garb/pointy ears' bit.

Hell, if the original Starship Troopers hadn't shown a bit of tits and had as much foul language as it did--it woulda made PG-13. And that was a gory as hell movie.

The general point I'm making is:
Don't sweat the ratings, especially when we haven't even seen a trailer. There's plenty of hope(and potential for disaster) at this point.

I'd say Imperial/traitor Guard are VERY human-ish. Not all human-ish means dressing goofy like the Eldar or having pointed ears.

I know I'm a big fan of Starship Troopers. And I'm saying I could see it as marines.

But this whole thread is on speculation at this point - ratings is pretty much all we have to go on besides rumors. So you could state this whole thread is very pointless as it is not based on fact. And you made a good point - I think all the fans of 40k are just waiting for this to turn out well, however all you can do is guess before it comes out and then it's all opinion anyway. So what else would we be discussing if not the "what ifs"?

Yeah, but I remain very, very, VERY doubtful we're going to see traitor Guard. It just doesn't seem proper that we'd see something as ridiculously obscure as traitor Guardsmen in the first real feature length 40k movie.

However, there is a possibility that I find oddly intriguing.

The Tau.

There was an old Starship Troopers TV show in the late 90s that was a lot closer to the book than the Verhoeven movie. Bug blood would regularly get blasted out of the bugs, they'd explode, and there'd be plenty of bug gore. The show was TV-Y7, and aimed at kids 7 and up. You can get away with a lot against non-human badguys.

Look at the recent Star Wars movies if you will. Episode III had Anakin get his arms and legs cut off, and his skin burn away while he was on fire. Episode II had Jango Fett get decapitated.

Stop your whining about it not being R. You can get away with more than you think with a PG-13 rating.

Kanluwen wrote:Yeah, but I remain very, very, VERY doubtful we're going to see traitor Guard. It just doesn't seem proper that we'd see something as ridiculously obscure as traitor Guardsmen in the first real feature length 40k movie.

However, there is a possibility that I find oddly intriguing.

The Tau.

No, I think you're quite right in your original theory - we're not going to see anything remotely human looking at all as an 'enemy' in this movie.

It is going to be very clear cut - UltraAwesomeMarines vs. NastyMonsterGribllies (Tyranids).

Of course, I could be wrong, but I don't think so!

Brother SRM wrote:There was an old Starship Troopers TV show in the late 90s that was a lot closer to the book than the Verhoeven movie. Bug blood would regularly get blasted out of the bugs, they'd explode, and there'd be plenty of bug gore. The show was TV-Y7, and aimed at kids 7 and up. You can get away with a lot against non-human badguys.

Look at the recent Star Wars movies if you will. Episode III had Anakin get his arms and legs cut off, and his skin burn away while he was on fire. Episode II had Jango Fett get decapitated.

Stop your whining about it not being R. You can get away with more than you think with a PG-13 rating.

Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles.

I have it on dvd, along with Exo-Squad

The biggest downfall of Roughnecks was that it was hard to believe that, in the middle of being swarmed by billions of maneating bugs, the best Rico can muster is a witty remark about "Blasted bugs!"