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 Vulcan wrote:
I would think a theater ballistic missile like the Scud wouldn't be able to target anything on the table it was actually on...

Maybe two or three tables over, but not THIS table.

Ssssh don't tell GW.

It would make for an excellent objective to fight over or use in scenarios centred around small behind enemy lines raids.

That Kustom Raider Coach is really tempting - unfortunately I think the scale is too much of an issue. It would be something like 9-11" long. It's really tempting though, at only $15. Add some turrets, more skulls, etc. and Cardinal Kolikov gets to ride in style! I might try to copy the design.

 kestral wrote:
That Kustom Raider Coach is really tempting - unfortunately I think the scale is too much of an issue. It would be something like 9-11" long. It's really tempting though, at only $15. Add some turrets, more skulls, etc. and Cardinal Kolikov gets to ride in style! I might try to copy the design.

Maybe the Munsters or Dark Shadows car, they're a bit more self-contained.

Great ideas for alternative models

 Vulcan wrote:
I would think a theater ballistic missile like the Scud wouldn't be able to target anything on the table it was actually on...

Maybe two or three tables over, but not THIS table.

They shoot it off backwords so it can go around the world once before hitting the target.

Some new stuff I spotted:

A suitably massive command car for $75



http://www.squadron.com/AFV-Club-1-35-Rommels-Mammoth-DAK-AEC-Armored-p/ac35235.htm

WWI French tank for $70



http://www.squadron.com/Takom-1-35-St-Chamond-French-Heavy-Tank-Early-p/tak2002.htm

Red Chinese sub that can easily be some kind of skimmer or lander for $20 (1/72 scale, may be too small)



http://www.squadron.com/Trumpeter-1-72-Chinese-Jiaolong-Manned-Submersible-p/tr07303.htm

Soviet interwar armored car for $41



http://www.squadron.com/product-p/hy83882.htm

WWII German half track fior $45



http://www.squadron.com/AFV-Club-1-35-Leichte-Zugkraftwagen-3t-Sd-Kfz-11-p/ac35047.htm

Did someone ask for a bigger gun?

http://www.trumpeter-china.com/index.php?g=home&m=product&a=show&id=2865&l=en

Trumpeter is doing a 1/35 Russian coastal defense gun for $90.



Some Facebook posts

From Trumpeter/Hobbyboss upcoming releases.

HobbyBoss 2016, September Release Preview: 81756 1/48 Russian Su-34 Fullback Fighter-Bomber, 80145 1/35 German Panzer 1Ausf A Sd.Kfz.101(Early/Late Version), 80146 1/35 Munitionsschlepper auf Panzerkampfwagen I Ausf A with Ammo Trailer, 83875 1/35 Soviet SU-18 SPH, 82920 1/72 M4 High Speed Tractor（3-in./90mm, 82921 1/72 M4 High Speed Tractor (155mm/8-in./240mm）....FULLBACK IN 1/48 IS COMING!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/TrumpeterModel/

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Did someone ask for a bigger gun?

http://www.trumpeter-china.com/index.php?g=home&m=product&a=show&id=2865&l=en

Trumpeter is doing a 1/35 Russian coastal defense gun for $90.

Spoiler:

Some Facebook posts

This may sound wierd, but I almost say the gun is seondary. That just looks like the amazing start to a Squat Land Train or similar huge imperial vehicle. A bit of rescaling of hatches and some walkways and you're there!

 Eilif wrote:


This may sound wierd, but I almost say the gun is seondary. That just looks like the amazing start to a Squat Land Train or similar huge imperial vehicle. A bit of rescaling of hatches and some walkways and you're there!

Did you see these?



https://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Cannon-Anniversary-Renwal-Revell/dp/B00BJMI4OM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_21_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=H4A7FDWZSFKS81XD3AZ4



https://www.amazon.com/Revell-32-Teracruzer-Missile/dp/B007JQ8II4/ref=pd_sim_21_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=B3HWG07XP6D8YR869P1E

Leave off the rocket and the funky wheels on the Mace Missile make it a good candidate for some kind of large cargo hauler.

More upcoming from Trumpeter/Hobby Boss

Coming from Takom.

1/35 scale.

It's big.

It's bad.

It's German.

Someone sent me an ork battlewagon made from a HEMTT truck.

http://www.hobbylinc.com/italeri-m985-hemtt-gun-truck-plastic-model-military-vehicle-kit-1:35-scale-556510



1/35 scale, $40 or y'know, $10 less than a Taurox.

Another good truck/tractor


Trumpeter 1/35 Russian Voroshilovets Tractor
http://www.squadron.com/1-35-Trumpeter-Russian-Voroshilovets-Tractor-p/tr01573.htm

https://ttfix.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/empress-miniatures-submarine-previews.html#comment-form

Some 28 mm WWII subs that would look nice as either terrain, or (like I might do) serve as the basis for a small 40k space ship. Apparently the word from the company is that when these become available they will be "amazingly cheap".

Empress minis has a new GAZ MRAP vehicle in their modern vehicle section. It is likely something a lot of people have been looking for. Unfortunately I'm too lazy to actually link it right now.

GAZ Tigr? That could make a decent Taurox replacement.

 Brunius wrote:
GAZ Tigr? That could make a decent Taurox replacement.

Yeah, I am less lazy now.. They have a few other cool toys added too.
http://www.empressminiatures.com/userimages/procart36.htm

All that Empress and HLBS stuff will be too small for 40K, coming in at around 1/50 - 1/56th. You're looking at more of a large 1/48, but ideally 1/35 if you want to go for Warhammer's out of proportion size. That Tigr is barely larger than a Landspeeder (and there's no way a 40K model could even fit inside the doors).

Now having said that, there are 1/43rd diecast Tigrs available on Ebay - originally made by deagostini. They're also really easy to come by on Russian sites if you're willing to look.

Oh, for scale - here's a deagostini Humvee (converted obviously) alongside an Empress model - i.e. way too big, but much more fitting with 40K models:

I disagree but I really don't want to start yet another scale argument.
To clarify.. the GAZ at least will be fine. IMO, when they made it, they oversized it a bit compared to the rest of their line. I have seen some builds of it and their M-ATV.. and they're beefy. Moreso than normal IMO.
If people are only running heroic then yeah.. maybe it'll look out of place.. but this is all opinion. Most of my stuff now is closer to actual scale so it doesn't look that out of place.

Meh, not my money to waste. Unless you're using a guy who stands half a head or more shorter than a GW model, and a hell of a lot thinner; they'll be too large.

As a comparison, bearing in mind Empress model's are *really* tall 28mm, here's one besides a GW mini. You could fit maybe one and a quarter guardsmen in the front of that jeep. I suppose the filled in windows help a bit with how small it'll be and you can suspend your disbelief, but as I said: there's a 1/43rd one on the market which better fits GW scale (or lack thereof) - which also comes in cheaper than Empress'.





*Tau aren't perhaps the best race to use as a scale, as they themselves are smaller than Guard models by maybe a third of a head - and that guy has his legs splayed (as most GW models do...) whilst the Empress guy has a much straighter pose. FYI the Russian guy in the official Empress pic is himself taller than the regular Empress range (which drives me up the wall...). A Guardman's head would be around the top of that door's window.

Are we saying the GAS Tiger is, or is not a good scale match? Because if a Guardsman's head is roughly even with the top of the front window, then it's pretty much spot on.

My point is that pretty much all 1/56 scale vehicles are far, far too small for "heroic" scale. Imperial guard are both incredibly tall and wide when compared to the models which those are made for. Again, its not my money, but even the Tigr will look like a clown car with GW models.

Jebus just use what you like the look of there's no right or wrong . I use 1/48 form my ww2 Russian as they are cheap they look great and I use 1/56 tanks and lrdg trucks with my desert rats cos they are hard to find even when there on the table together you don't notice .


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Also you can fit 20odd people in a mini !

 Wyrmalla wrote:
My point is that pretty much all 1/56 scale vehicles are far, far too small for "heroic" scale. Imperial guard are both incredibly tall and wide when compared to the models which those are made for. Again, its not my money, but even the Tigr will look like a clown car with GW models.

Well, the other side of this, is this is a thread about proxies for 40k.. Some of us aren't using GW infantry any more than we're using their vehicles.. so if you are then, yeah.. their gorilla like humans will possibly look funny in this sort of thing.

Even if they don't fit very well that might fit with the way the imperium works

the soviet BMP-1 is theoretically designed for 2 crew + 8 troops

(so that's what the imperiums STC would say should be used with it)

but it's so cramped in the crew compartment a number of armies that use/have used it have reduced the troop numbers carried to 7 or even 6 as with 8 they end up so cramped an exhausted from trying to avoid crushing/being crushed that their combat effectiveness is compromised

and that's with a bunch of their gear that's meant to be in the back too shifted to the hull outside to generate more space even if that means the turret can't traverse all the way round

(again if the STC said all the stuff should be in the back then that's what would happen even if it trashed the fighting power of the troops inside)

I'm pretty sure I've seen these at my local Walmart. If I can get this $9.97 price (might need to price match), these seem like great tanks.



https://www.walmart.com/ip/Revell-of-Germany-Abrams-M1A1-Plastic-Model-Kit/37325545

A bit surprised to not see this one listed.

Meng do the Char 2C (largest and heaviest tank of WW2 which saw no real action). Perfectly sized for a conversion into an Imperium super-heavy (or any number of Ork vehicles) - it's only $40 on eBay.



It's big...like...real big:


^That's the crew. The tank had a huge motor in it, situated much like a submarine - there were engineer walkways alongside it so it could be serviced during action. Produced between WW1 and WW2.

Heh, and all blown up as they sat on a train during the invasion of France during WWII.

Yep. Only rolled them out for propaganda films to show the "might" of the French war machine. Also, I must correct myself, as I think the King Tiger did outweight this buy a handful of tons. The 2C was between 69-75 tons.