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Players who don't play as competitive as possible, who bring units just because they like their look, who don't understand the reason between spacing models at maximum coherency, those who can't grasp what a denied flank deployment is, those who can't bubble-wrap against deep-strikers really ruin the game for me and should just stop playing Warhammer40k. If they are so much into looks and models, they should start collecting model trains or something. If they are not playing the game right, they are worthless members of the community and should sell their armies.

I hate it when one of those fluff-bunnies wastes my game time and tosses away all chances of winning by fielding an army like tyranids or sisters of battle instead of eldar. And then they use all those lazy excuses like "I wanted to try something new.", "I simply like the aesthetics of that army", "I don't like allies", "I've been collecting this army for 20 years now" or the worst "I don't have anything else painted yet". Who cares if your marines are colored black and white and used to have a codex? If you even consider picking the Black Templars chapter tactics, you're in the wrong hobby. It's wargaming for Christ's sake, not warlooking-at-models-I-like-while-having-beer-and-pretzels.

If you aren't a good player, that's ok, at least copy a netlist from BLOS or something. Just don't bring stupid stuff like thousand sons or flayers, you might as well not play at all. In the mean time, I expect you to spend all your free time on reading tactics forums and playing practice games and you should refuse to play against anyone who isn't bringing at least a decently powerful list. I can live with a new player starting out chaos space marines or something, but by the time they have a couple of games under their belt, I fully expect them to change over to eldar or at least tau. If you are not playing one of the top three armies, you are worse hobbyist than me, and you should feel bad. You are actively ruining other people's games by being too lazy to learn tactics and buy a good army.

To me, someone who brings a bad or fluffy army is just as bad as someone who hasn't showered in days.

Read my article about how non-competitive players are the end of Wargaming

Spoiler:
Someone who'd post something like this seriously would get murdered on these forums. Why is it ok for people to act like this about painting?

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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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The amount of effort you put in to making a sarcastic post is quite impressive... I spent most the time reading it thinking you were meaning to post it in the "Why do people always equate competitive play with tournament lists?" thread
   
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This discussion comes up from time to time, as do other discussions on this board that relate to annoying people that enjoy this hobby. One group of people that this community seems to find annoying are people with BO. Another group have been named as little Timmys and they tend to annoy people with screaming. There are other catagories of annoying players that have also been described in these forums, such as the table flipping guy, a sub catagory of the infamous tfg.

The point is all these different behaviors exist on a spectrum. Unpainted armies exist within this spectrum. Where we all choose to put them is up to us as individuals. When l see an unpainted army l am reminded of this spectrum that exists in wargaming communities.

   
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 Radiation wrote:
This discussion comes up from time to time, as do other discussions on this board that relate to annoying people that enjoy this hobby. One group of people that this community seems to find annoying are people with BO. Another group have been named as little Timmys and they tend to annoy people with screaming. There are other catagories of annoying players that have also been described in these forums, such as the table flipping guy, a sub catagory of the infamous tfg.

The point is all these different behaviors exist on a spectrum. Unpainted armies exist within this spectrum. Where we all choose to put them is up to us as individuals. When l see an unpainted army l am reminded of this spectrum that exists in wargaming communities.
The thing about those other things you mentioned... they are personal traits.

BO is an issue of personal hygiene.

"Little Timmy" is a kid being obnoxious.

An unpainted army has very little to do with a flaw in the actual person. I've played against unpainted armies played by awesome dudes who are heaps of fun to play. Oddly enough, one of the best painted armies I've played against, a Lizardmen army who I played against with my Brets, was played by a total d-bag.

Unpainted armies aren't as good as painted armies... yeah... but it's not even in the same ballpark as people who are legitimately obnoxious, at least not for me.

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I don't object to a non painted army. As long as the person across from me is a good sport and makes the game enjoyable, then a sea of grey is not really a problem. Hell, in 20 years of playing table top war games I have very rarely fielded an entirely painted army


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 Jidmah wrote:
Players who don't play as competitive as possible, who bring units just because they like their look, who don't understand the reason between spacing models at maximum coherency, those who can't grasp what a denied flank deployment is, those who can't bubble-wrap against deep-strikers really ruin the game for me and should just stop playing Warhammer40k. If they are so much into looks and models, they should start collecting model trains or something. If they are not playing the game right, they are worthless members of the community and should sell their armies.

I hate it when one of those fluff-bunnies wastes my game time and tosses away all chances of winning by fielding an army like tyranids or sisters of battle instead of eldar. And then they use all those lazy excuses like "I wanted to try something new.", "I simply like the aesthetics of that army", "I don't like allies", "I've been collecting this army for 20 years now" or the worst "I don't have anything else painted yet". Who cares if your marines are colored black and white and used to have a codex? If you even consider picking the Black Templars chapter tactics, you're in the wrong hobby. It's wargaming for Christ's sake, not warlooking-at-models-I-like-while-having-beer-and-pretzels.

If you aren't a good player, that's ok, at least copy a netlist from BLOS or something. Just don't bring stupid stuff like thousand sons or flayers, you might as well not play at all. In the mean time, I expect you to spend all your free time on reading tactics forums and playing practice games and you should refuse to play against anyone who isn't bringing at least a decently powerful list. I can live with a new player starting out chaos space marines or something, but by the time they have a couple of games under their belt, I fully expect them to change over to eldar or at least tau. If you are not playing one of the top three armies, you are worse hobbyist than me, and you should feel bad. You are actively ruining other people's games by being too lazy to learn tactics and buy a good army.

To me, someone who brings a bad or fluffy army is just as bad as someone who hasn't showered in days.

Read my article about how non-competitive players are the end of Wargaming

Spoiler:
Someone who'd post something like this seriously would get murdered on these forums. Why is it ok for people to act like this about painting?


That was brilliant. Have an exalt my good man

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 insaniak wrote:
So you issue is that you have chosen to play a game for which the gaming pieces are sold unpainted, and you just expect other gamers to make up for that lack in order to improve your own hobby experience?

Although we still come back to the 'how does someone else not painting their stuff affect your hobby in the slightest when you can just not play against them?'


That's not a "lack" that's what the product is supposed to be. Bottom line is they're sold unpainted for a reason. Thinking it's weird that people don't paint them is perfectly valid. The back of every box says "models require painting and assembly." It is in no way a lack or fault of the manufacturer, in fact it's part of what you paid for.

Why would you pay a premium on a product that you consider lacking? Why not just play a prepainted game if painting bothers you so much? It seriously boggles my mind how you people decided to drop hundreds of dollars to get into a hobby in which you hated the thing that draws most people to it and makes it stand out the most from other pastimes (it's aesthetic value)

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That's not a "lack" that's what the product is supposed to be. Bottom line is they're sold unpainted for a reason. Thinking it's weird that people don't paint them is perfectly valid. The back of every box says "models require painting and assembly."

Why would you pay a premium on a product that you consider lacking? Why not just play a prepainted game if painting bothers you so much? It seriously boggles my mind how you people decided to drop hundreds of dollars to get into a hobby in which you hated the thing that draws most people to it and makes it stand out the most from other pastimes (it's aesthetic value)


Firstly, packets of cigarettes regularly have 'Smoking Kills' or some other such dire warning. That doesn't stop people from smoking though does it? So if you were a slave to everything you read on a box, what kind of life would you have?
Secondly, "You people"? If you don't play 40k, as that statement implies, then why are you posting in this thread?


 
   
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 Las wrote:
the thing that draws most people to it


Got any numbers to back up that statement of yours?

Because if that is another one of your personal experience type of things, I can just contra-pose my own that I never met anyone that got into 40k because of the possibility to paint miniatures, everyone that I've ever met in this hobby has started it either because they liked the background or the game aspect of it.
   
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 Las wrote:
Thinking it's weird that people don't paint them is perfectly valid.
Understanding why people like something is not a prerequisite for respecting that they like something.
Why would you pay a premium on a product that you consider lacking?
Because of the 40k universe, because of the game, because friends play it.
Why not just play a prepainted game if painting bothers you so much?
It bothers "you" so much, not the people who are playing with them.
It seriously boggles my mind how you people decided to drop hundreds of dollars to get into a hobby in which you hated the thing that draws most people to it and makes it stand out the most from other pastimes (it's aesthetic value)
It seriously boggles my mind that it boggles your mind that you can't accept someone likes something for a reason different to the reason you like it

Also...

   
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PhantomViper wrote:
 Las wrote:
the thing that draws most people to it


Got any numbers to back up that statement of yours?

Because if that is another one of your personal experience type of things, I can just contra-pose my own that I never met anyone that got into 40k because of the possibility to paint miniatures, everyone that I've ever met in this hobby has started it either because they liked the background or the game aspect of it.


Got any numbers to disprove me? Everything in this discussion is anecdotal.

 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:


That's not a "lack" that's what the product is supposed to be. Bottom line is they're sold unpainted for a reason. Thinking it's weird that people don't paint them is perfectly valid. The back of every box says "models require painting and assembly."

Why would you pay a premium on a product that you consider lacking? Why not just play a prepainted game if painting bothers you so much? It seriously boggles my mind how you people decided to drop hundreds of dollars to get into a hobby in which you hated the thing that draws most people to it and makes it stand out the most from other pastimes (it's aesthetic value)


Firstly, packets of cigarettes regularly have 'Smoking Kills' or some other such dire warning. That doesn't stop people from smoking though does it? So if you were a slave to everything you read on a box, what kind of life would you have?
Secondly, "You people"? If you don't play 40k, as that statement implies, then why are you posting in this thread?


No, what your referencing is a warning for the harmful side effects of smoking, not the intended effect of the cigarette. That would be analogous to the age suggestion on your model kit which warns about the choking hazards of small objects to infants and very young children.

Again, it's not about doing or not doing, or right or wrong. It's about defining what the hobby is. People get their panties in a squeeze because for whatever reason they can't admit there's a pillar of 40k they either don't care for or are too lazy to do. I have no idea why. Just say "I don't like painting" instead of "painting has nothing to do with 40k". It's ridiculous.

Yeah I do play 40k. By "you people" I mean people who think painting has nothing to do with 40k and that it's some kind of extra side thing, unlike building and playing, which are apparently the only things fundamental to the hobby.

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 Las wrote:

Yeah I do play 40k. By "you people" I mean people who think painting has nothing to do with 40k and that it's some kind of extra side thing, unlike building and playing, which are apparently the only things fundamental to the hobby.


A good term for people that just want to play a game is gamers, when you say "you people" it comes off as a derogatory term you're using to try to dodge the forum rules.

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That would imply that people who enjoy all aspects of the hobby are not gamers.

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 Las wrote:
That would imply that people who enjoy all aspects of the hobby are not gamers.


If you enjoy playing the game you are a gamer, If you enjoy painting your a painter, If you enjoy modeling your a modeler. If you enjoy all 3, then you are all 3 of these.

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How in the name of Russ did this thread get to smoking warning on cigarette packets? No actiually I don't know want to know.

I don't know what the general consensus is but 40k isn't my life, it's something I partake in to get away from the seriousness of life. I'm surprised at how absolute some posters are in their views on how the hobby "should be."

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 Jidmah wrote:
Players who don't play as competitive as possible, who bring units just because they like their look, who don't understand the reason between spacing models at maximum coherency, those who can't grasp what a denied flank deployment is, those who can't bubble-wrap against deep-strikers really ruin the game for me and should just stop playing Warhammer40k. If they are so much into looks and models, they should start collecting model trains or something. If they are not playing the game right, they are worthless members of the community and should sell their armies.

I hate it when one of those fluff-bunnies wastes my game time and tosses away all chances of winning by fielding an army like tyranids or sisters of battle instead of eldar. And then they use all those lazy excuses like "I wanted to try something new.", "I simply like the aesthetics of that army", "I don't like allies", "I've been collecting this army for 20 years now" or the worst "I don't have anything else painted yet". Who cares if your marines are colored black and white and used to have a codex? If you even consider picking the Black Templars chapter tactics, you're in the wrong hobby. It's wargaming for Christ's sake, not warlooking-at-models-I-like-while-having-beer-and-pretzels.

If you aren't a good player, that's ok, at least copy a netlist from BLOS or something. Just don't bring stupid stuff like thousand sons or flayers, you might as well not play at all. In the mean time, I expect you to spend all your free time on reading tactics forums and playing practice games and you should refuse to play against anyone who isn't bringing at least a decently powerful list. I can live with a new player starting out chaos space marines or something, but by the time they have a couple of games under their belt, I fully expect them to change over to eldar or at least tau. If you are not playing one of the top three armies, you are worse hobbyist than me, and you should feel bad. You are actively ruining other people's games by being too lazy to learn tactics and buy a good army.

To me, someone who brings a bad or fluffy army is just as bad as someone who hasn't showered in days.

Read my article about how non-competitive players are the end of Wargaming

Spoiler:
Someone who'd post something like this seriously would get murdered on these forums. Why is it ok for people to act like this about painting?


…?

People who don't play competitively are still playing the game. People who don't paint… uh don't paint. You see how that's a false equivalency right?

What you wrote would make sense if this was a thread where people were complaining about bad painters who don't highlight/wash/wet-blend/whatever. But it isn't.

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 bubz wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Players who don't play as competitive as possible, who bring units just because they like their look, who don't understand the reason between spacing models at maximum coherency, those who can't grasp what a denied flank deployment is, those who can't bubble-wrap against deep-strikers really ruin the game for me and should just stop playing Warhammer40k. If they are so much into looks and models, they should start collecting model trains or something. If they are not playing the game right, they are worthless members of the community and should sell their armies.

I hate it when one of those fluff-bunnies wastes my game time and tosses away all chances of winning by fielding an army like tyranids or sisters of battle instead of eldar. And then they use all those lazy excuses like "I wanted to try something new.", "I simply like the aesthetics of that army", "I don't like allies", "I've been collecting this army for 20 years now" or the worst "I don't have anything else painted yet". Who cares if your marines are colored black and white and used to have a codex? If you even consider picking the Black Templars chapter tactics, you're in the wrong hobby. It's wargaming for Christ's sake, not warlooking-at-models-I-like-while-having-beer-and-pretzels.

If you aren't a good player, that's ok, at least copy a netlist from BLOS or something. Just don't bring stupid stuff like thousand sons or flayers, you might as well not play at all. In the mean time, I expect you to spend all your free time on reading tactics forums and playing practice games and you should refuse to play against anyone who isn't bringing at least a decently powerful list. I can live with a new player starting out chaos space marines or something, but by the time they have a couple of games under their belt, I fully expect them to change over to eldar or at least tau. If you are not playing one of the top three armies, you are worse hobbyist than me, and you should feel bad. You are actively ruining other people's games by being too lazy to learn tactics and buy a good army.

To me, someone who brings a bad or fluffy army is just as bad as someone who hasn't showered in days.

Read my article about how non-competitive players are the end of Wargaming

Spoiler:
Someone who'd post something like this seriously would get murdered on these forums. Why is it ok for people to act like this about painting?


…?

People who don't play competitively are still playing the game. People who don't paint… uh don't paint. You see how that's a false equivalency right?

What you wrote would make sense if this was a thread where people were complaining about bad painters who don't highlight/wash/wet-blend/whatever. But it isn't.


Pretty sure it's sarcasm, bro.

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 Las wrote:


No, what your referencing is a warning for the harmful side effects of smoking, not the intended effect of the cigarette. That would be analogous to the age suggestion on your model kit which warns about the choking hazards of small objects to infants and very young children.

Again, it's not about doing or not doing, or right or wrong. It's about defining what the hobby is. People get their panties in a squeeze because for whatever reason they can't admit there's a pillar of 40k they either don't care for or are too lazy to do. I have no idea why. Just say "I don't like painting" instead of "painting has nothing to do with 40k". It's ridiculous.

Yeah I do play 40k. By "you people" I mean people who think painting has nothing to do with 40k and that it's some kind of extra side thing, unlike building and playing, which are apparently the only things fundamental to the hobby.


Actually, it's not instructions, it's a legal disclaimer. It prevents people buying and starting a civil action against GW under 'misleading advertisement'. Similar reason to why bags of nuts say 'Warning. Contains Nuts'.

I paint slowly, for a number of reasons, but I paint to a decent standard when I have the time. If someone were to tell me that I wasn't a proper hobbyist because my army wasn't completely painted, something unfortunate would happen. I'll be damned if I let some jumped up ....... tell me that I'm 'doing the hobby wrong'. I'm all for people having their own opinion, but keep it to yourself if it's something along those lines.

I also have to agree with the sentiment that this is a small enough hobby as it is. Why are you acting in a fashion that is quite likely to turn someone off it?

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Where did I say anyone was doing the hobby wrong? All I've said and continue to say is that painting is part of the hobby. Whether or not you choose to partake in that is up to you. I'm refuting the idea that painting has nothing to do with 40k, nothing more.

Don't be so defensive.

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 insaniak wrote:
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One of the old-timers at the first gaming club I joined used to tell of a player who, in order to meet the 3-colour requirement for thier local tournies, had sprayed his models white, and then dipped their heads into a pot of blue paint, and their feet into a pot of red.)


Baha! That is pushing the limits to be sure. Reminds me of a lad I gamed who bought an old D&D led figure called "the Black Bear," and yep you guesssed, he dipped it into Humbrol enamal black and put it straight out onto the battlefield! And then had the bad sense to ask if we thought it was good...

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 Las wrote:
Where did I say anyone was doing the hobby wrong? All I've said and continue to say is that painting is part of the hobby. Whether or not you choose to partake in that is up to you. I'm refuting the idea that painting has nothing to do with 40k, nothing more.

Don't be so defensive.


To be fair the thread was originally about the OP wanting to force his friend to paint, I imagine quite a few people are in an "anti-painter" mood due to that. Also quite a few of the pro-paint crowd ARE telling people they are "doing it wrong" by not partaking in the painting aspect, so you're probably getting associated with them even if you're not saying it yourself. Not to mention the people sharing their "methods" of forcing others to paint.

Not really trying to justify anything, just saying the mentality in the thread doesn't lend itself well to talking about the structure of 40k as hobby without angering someone.

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I can only think of one time when painting mattered RAW.

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 Las wrote:
Where did I say anyone was doing the hobby wrong? All I've said and continue to say is that painting is part of the hobby. Whether or not you choose to partake in that is up to you. I'm refuting the idea that painting has nothing to do with 40k, nothing more.

Don't be so defensive.


Apologies, that wasn't addressed at you. I'm fine with people saying that painting is 'part' of this, for want of a better word, I'm of the same opinion, but I dislike the tone that was expressed by other posters further up the thread, in regards to forcing and 'not proper hobbyists'.

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Honestly, I find those who don't build tables and terrain to be absolute fake hobbyists.

Especially those who brag about painting.
   
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morgoth wrote:
Honestly, I find those who don't build tables and terrain to be absolute fake hobbyists.

Especially those who brag about painting.

Thats what I'm talkin about.
Paint yer damn armies. What are you, a casual?

   
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 Las wrote:
I'm refuting the idea that painting has nothing to do with 40k, nothing more.

.

Ah, so you're arguing against something that nobody had actually said, then?

 
   
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Read the thread

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 Las wrote:
Read the thread


Would you be kind enough to quote the people saying that "painting has nothing to do with 40K"?

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Probably the most informative essay on Wargaming I've ever read!


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I love to paint, and I love to play games that are good. Sometimes, if a model is superbly sculpted and cast, I'll paint it monochrome and call it a day. The aesthetic enjoyment I get out of looking at the piece as it was sculpted is sometimes as rewarding as painting it all the way with trompe l'oeil and stuff.

Man, I really need to get on this "primer and 2 coats" painting business. I could make tens of dollars!

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"... I'll be damned if I let some jumped up ....... tell me that I'm 'doing the hobby wrong'. I'm all for people having their own opinion, but keep it to yourself if it's something along those lines.

I also have to agree with the sentiment that this is a small enough hobby as it is. Why are you acting in a fashion that is quite likely to turn someone off it?"

Seems a little im polite. Am I to take this tomean your ok with expressing your opinion but others are not allowed to? From the post, that is exactly what you are saying.
Now dont get me wrong, I agree with you in your sentiment , just not the delivery. If I wanted to use unpainted models, I'd use them and if the other guy didnt like it he has the right to tell me.I also have the right to say "So, they are my models, I'll do as I please with them. Dont like it, dont play me" if I play with unpainted models and someone online tells me I'm doing the hobby wrong. Meh, I'll tell them, I do it my way, you do it yours".
There are few enough players as it is and sometimes, it IS hard to find an opponent who has a painted army and sometimes the guy with the painted army is a jerk for one reason or another that you dont want to associate with.
I havent see where anyone is FORCING others to paint. I have seen where situations have been decribed to encourage painting or make the guy feel bad and so forth though. his is why I personal ascibe to just talking with them and finding out WHY. As has ben pointed out, it can be multiple reasons. One of which is "I just dont wanna do it". A pro-paint player (I am one ofthese) can then know why your army is unpainted and go from there which could be offering tips or offering to help/do it for you. Then the ball is in your court. I CAN say that I enjoy to paint while watching tv or a movie I've seen before, but I'm not gonna bushwhack you by inviting you over to watch and plopping paints in front of you. I might say, come on over and watch, hope ya dont mind if I paint. That would leave no onus on you to paint at all with no hard feelings but if ya DID want to, that would be ok too.

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clively wrote:
"EVIL INC" - hardly. More like "REASONABLE GOOD GUY INC". (side note: exalted)

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