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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Quick question, is there no option for a 2nd/1st Lt in heavy armor in the game? It seems odd since they can be taken as troops and have a few support options in the armor as well.

I actually asked them about that on their fb page and they said it was an oversight on their part but will be added in later

I wonder what advanced weapon the Cromwell has in the starter set? Does anyone know?

As far as has been discussed previously it's a tesla tank, really disappointed that the Brit starter isn't out till December but at least October I can pick up a automaton preview pack and make a little start.

Yes, the only new British tank is Cromwell with Tesla Cannon, just like the US (on Sherman) and German Panzer IV X. Soviets get to mount new weapon on T34 and KV1. The Walkers are where the difference is really introduced for now (plus the Reaction rules which really change the game).

Just noticed the US Hellcat points went up by 8/10/11 points for some reason (and now -33 from reg to Inexperienced and +32 from reg to Vet for some reason)

EasyArmy.com wrote:
Yes, the only new British tank is Cromwell with Tesla Cannon)

They also have received the Centurion MK II unless you mean that the Cromwell is the only British tank mounting a weird war weapon.

Not mounting a special weapon as such, but the British also got the automated carrier, which looks like a universal carrier with a robot driver and more guns

EasyArmy.com wrote:
I just added a Konflikt '47 list builder site for EasyArmy at http://k47.easyarmy.com if anyone would like to try it out. Just the Germans list for now while I make sure everything is working. Separate site from Bolt Action since I'm not sure of the future directions of K47 and BA2, so you'll need to re-register on it. Please email me if you find any bugs.

Thanks,
Gregg

Great stuff, thanks.

I just watched some unboxing videos on the American and German starter sets and I found them a bit of a mixed bag. I'm somewhat disappointed in the use of generic historical infantry for the bulk of each box. Even just a couple of weird science weapon upgrades for the infantry would have helped a lot.

The tank upgrades for both armies were really nice and the American walker was cool. Not so fond of the German spider mech, though.

Of these first two sets I definitely like the Americans better but I'm looking forward to seeing more of the British and Soviet forces before making a decision.

Definitely agree.

with the exception of the tanks, at the moment it feels a bit too much like Bolt Action with some Clockwork Goblin bits thrown in.

I know you can get all kinds of stuff from other manufacturers, but it would have been nice to have some kind of upgrade sprue (or even resin bits) of extra weapons, heads and equipment with which to customise the basic troopers.

+1 for upgrade sprues being a great option / selling point, both for tanks and infantry

FLGS ran some intro games last weekend. One of the new players bought a U.S. starter box, which, when opened, contained the U.S. weapon sprues, but the infantry sprues were British.

Flummoxed.

I pre-ordered the book on Japanese Amazon and it has been out of stock since the release date hit :(

 Pacific wrote:
Definitely agree.

with the exception of the tanks, at the moment it feels a bit too much like Bolt Action with some Clockwork Goblin bits thrown in.

I know you can get all kinds of stuff from other manufacturers, but it would have been nice to have some kind of upgrade sprue (or even resin bits) of extra weapons, heads and equipment with which to customise the basic troopers.

Yep - a blister of added West Wind/Pig Iron-style head sprue(s) would have done the job quite easily. Warlord do similar already with Attic-helmed roman heads, Morion Helmets and a variety of WWII heads.

I'm kind of surprised at the dislike for "too much historical stuff".

I mean its only 1947, its not like all this standard issue equipment is going to be swapped out overnight, even with the rift tech. Just like anything else, the very cream of the crop get it first, then it trickles down, with modifications being made to adapt existing equipment wherever possible. For example, why design a new tank for the Tesla cannon when you have a perfectly good sherman chassis laying around?

As for bog standard kit, like rifles and machine guns, well, it makes sense that other than things like assault rifles and panzerfausts becoming more common, your regular soldier would remain relatively unchanged. After all, if the majority of your enemy is still just guys in regular uniforms, a Garand works just as well as a Tesla cannon for the average grunt. There would be new weapons for sure (like the American's Super Bazooka) but limitations in logistics and machining would prevent the widespread adoption of something as drastic as new rifles in as short a timeframe as K47 is set.

It's what kept me from really liking Dust, for as short a time as supposedly was going on, it really didnt make sense that EVERYBODY had brand new crazy equipment, with hardly a garand or 98k in sight. After all, what's the point in Weird WWII if you're not going to have regular WWII next to it for contrast? It'd be like 40k without the IG, you've got no baseline for how crazy the new stuff is because there's nothing familiar to compare it to.

Of course, the real reason is it eases buy in and makes for less new kits that Warlord needs to do, but I think it's a good approach. It's a good compromise, and if you want an army completely made up of new units it seems fairly easy to do.

My one complaint is the massive oversight Warlord did by not including K47 in the rules revamp to 2nd ed. After seeing all the changes 2nd made (almost all excellent across the board) its going to be really annoying trying to keep the two straight. I'd either have to run K47 in 2nd homebrewed to match, or just wait, because I have a feeling k47 v2 will be out annoyingly soon. Which is sad, because I'd buy into this tomorrow otherwise.

I have heard a little rumour that the brit and soviet starters are being pushed forward to October.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I'm kind of surprised at the dislike for "too much historical stuff".

I think it's a small thing, but probably something like a set of nation-appropriate ones of these included per starter faction would have bridged the gap well enough for a lot of people



Just enough to push the bog-standard historical figures into slightly "Weird" WWII territory without having to have tesla rifles and jet packs.


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:

My one complaint is the massive oversight Warlord did by not including K47 in the rules revamp to 2nd ed. After seeing all the changes 2nd made (almost all excellent across the board) its going to be really annoying trying to keep the two straight. I'd either have to run K47 in 2nd homebrewed to match, or just wait, because I have a feeling k47 v2 will be out annoyingly soon. Which is sad, because I'd buy into this tomorrow otherwise.

I agree with you on this point, and it absolutely does make me want to hold off for a year or two before buying into K47.

 Azazelx wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

My one complaint is the massive oversight Warlord did by not including K47 in the rules revamp to 2nd ed. After seeing all the changes 2nd made (almost all excellent across the board) its going to be really annoying trying to keep the two straight. I'd either have to run K47 in 2nd homebrewed to match, or just wait, because I have a feeling k47 v2 will be out annoyingly soon. Which is sad, because I'd buy into this tomorrow otherwise.

I agree with you on this point, and it absolutely does make me want to hold off for a year or two before buying into K47.

One thing to take into consideration is that Clockwork Goblin licensed Bolt Action from Warlord and signed a distribution deal with Warlord. This isn't Warlord's game.
Though it does muddy the waters a little bit.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I mean its only 1947, its not like all this standard issue equipment is going to be swapped out overnight, even with the rift tech.

The thing is, by the end of the historical WWII, "standard issue" equipment like the 98K and to a less extent the Garand were already starting to be "swapped out". The Germans had their Sturmgewehr and even US troops were starting (at least unofficially) to re-equip with lighter weight weapons like the M-1 Carbine and various SMG. It looks odd to me to see everyone equipped with the old weapons two years after the real war ended.

Just like anything else, the very cream of the crop get it first, then it trickles down, with modifications being made to adapt existing equipment wherever possible. For example, why design a new tank for the Tesla cannon when you have a perfectly good sherman chassis laying around?

I agree that it makes sense the best new equipment would see limited release, possibly to elite formations. Looking at my only other exposure to WWWII, West Wind's Secrets of the Third Reich, the elite troops got power armor and jet packs, but the standard trooper got at least body armor and assault weapons. I didn't have a problem with the replacement tank turrents, as you say the Sherman and Panzer IV are iconic WWII tanks and using those chassis helps maintain a connection to the real WWII.

After all, what's the point in Weird WWII if you're not going to have regular WWII next to it for contrast?

I'd ague, what's the point of Weird WWII if everyone is just using historical WWII equipment?

My one complaint is the massive oversight Warlord did by not including K47 in the rules revamp to 2nd ed.

I hadn't thought of that but it does seem a mistake to release a new game using the old rules, just before you release a whole new rule set for the original game.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

My one complaint is the massive oversight Warlord did by not including K47 in the rules revamp to 2nd ed. After seeing all the changes 2nd made (almost all excellent across the board) its going to be really annoying trying to keep the two straight. I'd either have to run K47 in 2nd homebrewed to match, or just wait, because I have a feeling k47 v2 will be out annoyingly soon. Which is sad, because I'd buy into this tomorrow otherwise.

I agree with you on this point, and it absolutely does make me want to hold off for a year or two before buying into K47.

One thing to take into consideration is that Clockwork Goblin licensed Bolt Action from Warlord and signed a distribution deal with Warlord. This isn't Warlord's game.
Though it does muddy the waters a little bit.

And again, nobody at Warlord thought to say "Hey we're gonna release 2nd ed soon, maybe we should make sure this matches up"?


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By warning Clockwork about it I mean

 judgedoug wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

My one complaint is the massive oversight Warlord did by not including K47 in the rules revamp to 2nd ed. After seeing all the changes 2nd made (almost all excellent across the board) its going to be really annoying trying to keep the two straight. I'd either have to run K47 in 2nd homebrewed to match, or just wait, because I have a feeling k47 v2 will be out annoyingly soon. Which is sad, because I'd buy into this tomorrow otherwise.

I agree with you on this point, and it absolutely does make me want to hold off for a year or two before buying into K47.

One thing to take into consideration is that Clockwork Goblin licensed Bolt Action from Warlord and signed a distribution deal with Warlord. This isn't Warlord's game.
Though it does muddy the waters a little bit.

I am aware of all of that, but as an end-user, I don't actually care. I know it sounds harsh, but you know - it's a glaring issue and it's something that CG and WLG should have worked out before releasing the two almost simultaneously.

We wouldn't give GW a free pass for it, and as much as I'm a supporter and customer of WLG, they don't get a pass either.

No interest in normal bolt action, need something a bit more than that to get my imagination going in a miniature game... but throw wearwolves, zombies and mechs into the mix and I'm down. Getting some Wolfenstein vs C&C Red Alert vibes from this game. Received my German starter set last week not had time to put any of it together and probably wont for a be playing for a while, I want to put together a real nice snow themed table specifically for this game in the near future and probably will be running Russia as my go to team.. Excited to see where they take this game as I think it has a lot of potential if handled right.

 Azazelx wrote:
I am aware of all of that, but as an end-user, I don't actually care. I know it sounds harsh, but you know - it's a glaring issue and it's something that CG and WLG should have worked out before releasing the two almost simultaneously.

We wouldn't give GW a free pass for it, and as much as I'm a supporter and customer of WLG, they don't get a pass either.

Oh, I agree. It just doesn't personally affect me much as I have only a passing interest in K47.

I do think this is something that's only going to be picked up on by wargaming officianadoes & forum users. A lot of wargamers will just see 'wow, werewolf nazis, shermans, robot walkers, cool' and pick up the rulebook. They probably won't know the intricacies of BA ver 1 vs. ver 2, and to be honest they probably won't ever care if they did know as its not like ver. 1 was poorly designed.

I'm sure that Clockwork Goblin have had this in the works for some time (they're a very small outfit), probably since before BA ver. 2 was in the works. In the meantime they're sitting on a bunch of unreleased miniatures, and there was probably a push to release this before Warlord release BA ver 2 (and most BA fans would be picking up and playing that).

So while I don't think this is entirely excusable, it's not a deal-breaker for me and it's not going to be for a lot of people. It's a great concept, and with Warlords backing it will probably get good mileage and publicity.

 Pacific wrote:
I do think this is something that's only going to be picked up on by wargaming officianadoes & forum users. A lot of wargamers will just see 'wow, werewolf nazis, shermans, robot walkers, cool' and pick up the rulebook. They probably won't know the intricacies of BA ver 1 vs. ver 2, and to be honest they probably won't ever care if they did know as its not like ver. 1 was poorly designed.

I'm sure that Clockwork Goblin have had this in the works for some time (they're a very small outfit), probably since before BA ver. 2 was in the works. In the meantime they're sitting on a bunch of unreleased miniatures, and there was probably a push to release this before Warlord release BA ver 2 (and most BA fans would be picking up and playing that).

So while I don't think this is entirely excusable, it's not a deal-breaker for me and it's not going to be for a lot of people. It's a great concept, and with Warlords backing it will probably get good mileage and publicity.

This is 100% me, I have never played BA only seen it, liked the idea of the random turn mechanics was almost going to dip into GoA when it came out but I already play 2 hard sci-fi games. Then was very close to getting into Dust because I love weird war stuff but obviously that has pretty much collapsed. This came along and I was instantly in, cool mechs, solid proven rules set from a reputable company. Release schedule could have been tighter but honestly the sooner I can play the better it hasn't deterred me in the slightest, in fact it's made me more excited to play.

 Pacific wrote:
I do think this is something that's only going to be picked up on by wargaming officianadoes & forum users. A lot of wargamers will just see 'wow, werewolf nazis, shermans, robot walkers, cool' and pick up the rulebook. They probably won't know the intricacies of BA ver 1 vs. ver 2, and to be honest they probably won't ever care if they did know as its not like ver. 1 was poorly designed.

I'm sure that Clockwork Goblin have had this in the works for some time (they're a very small outfit), probably since before BA ver. 2 was in the works. In the meantime they're sitting on a bunch of unreleased miniatures, and there was probably a push to release this before Warlord release BA ver 2 (and most BA fans would be picking up and playing that).

So while I don't think this is entirely excusable, it's not a deal-breaker for me and it's not going to be for a lot of people. It's a great concept, and with Warlords backing it will probably get good mileage and publicity.

I'm not so sure about that first segment. For me at least K47 looks like a great hook to start with and then potentially using the same models (with realistic turrets where applicable) to play real historical battles as well. Having them run on two different editions is a bit bothersome. I might not be representative though. And as you say, it's not really a deal breaker. But it feels unnecessary.

New releases for the Germans

Schreckwulfen
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-konflikt-47-german-schreckwulfen/

Nachtjager
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-german-nachtjager-assault-squad-for-konflikt-47/

Heavy Infantry with LMGs
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-konflikt-47-german-wehrmacht-heavy-infantry-with-lmgs/

Love to see some size comparsion shots with the new stuff - might work with non Warlord models

Got the book yesterday, looks good, have a lot of Dust tactics stuff, maybe i can proxy some of that

2 new preview blisters for soviet and british heavy infantry out now apparently according to this link

http://www.warlordgames.com/coming-soon-from-the-warlord-studio/

Facebook page has given some more previews;
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1777966729093283/permalink/1831431670413455/?pnref=story

Again soviet and Brits starters slated for December release but no actual date, it's now November someone, somewhere must know a date!!!!