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 Theophony wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Well that's disappointing. Instead of harkening back to the old artwork they just made the Stormbird a 'super Thunderhawk'.

This style Stormbird is a pattern in between the Stormbird and the Thunderhawk, I forget the pattern name, but it only carries half the troops and vehicles of the Stormbird, but I think an actual stormbird would be far too large to ever play on a table with. Being able to carry a full marine company...It would be more than a objective on the table, it would be the whole table itself.

FW should release a conversion kit for GW carry cases.......

Actually I think Stormbirds only carry 50 Marines...

Maybe I'm wrong?

 Theophony wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Well that's disappointing. Instead of harkening back to the old artwork they just made the Stormbird a 'super Thunderhawk'.

This style Stormbird is a pattern in between the Stormbird and the Thunderhawk, I forget the pattern name, but it only carries half the troops and vehicles of the Stormbird, but I think an actual stormbird would be far too large to ever play on a table with. Being able to carry a full marine company...It would be more than a objective on the table, it would be the whole table itself.

So, Manta sized?

 SickSix wrote:
Well that's disappointing. Instead of harkening back to the old artwork they just made the Stormbird a 'super Thunderhawk'.

Sokar Pattern is the baby version.

The big Stormbird is Manta sized, yes. So probably looking at 1200 quid price tag because Space Marines.

One last thing- can someone remind me what the next Imperial Armour book is? Red Scorpions and Ad Mech vs ??? Was it Tau?

The FW Stormbird looks like those in Codex: Titanicus (Epic 1st Edition)

Does any one know when the imperial army red book is coming out? Or how close to compeltion it is?

That's what I keep asking, but judging by the silence I guess not out any time soon.

 Nordicus wrote:

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
I'm glad I waited to buy a red book now. Does that include all the rules you'd need to run any of the legions, or is there still stuff scattered throughout other books you need to reference?

Aye, same here - If they are all within the same book, that would be awesome!

The only stuff the new Red book dosen't have as the new things in book 6, and the relics in book 4. But the relics are tired to the campaign system in book 4, and are not meant for normal games.

e.earnshaw wrote:
Does any one know when the imperial army red book is coming out? Or how close to compeltion it is?

It's done, but they were not selling early copies like Book 6 and the new legion red book. So some time after thows two books.

Considering that the milita show up as required allies multiple times in book 6's new rites of war I Imagen that they would want the imperial army red book out as soon as they can.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The FW Stormbird looks like those in Codex: Titanicus (Epic 1st Edition)

Yeah, I called the Stormbird waaaayyyy back in Jan 2012 after a friend of mine from FW told me about it in the works... He said it was years off though....

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/418612.page#3776722

krazynadechukr wrote:

Yeah, I called the Stormbird waaaayyyy back in Jan 2012 after a friend of mine from FW told me about it in the works... He said it was years off though....

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/418612.page#3776722

When you think about everything they've released since then, its kinda crazy to think they have just as much planned for the next 4 years.

krazynadechukr wrote:


Yeah, I called the Stormbird waaaayyyy back in Jan 2012 after a friend of mine from FW told me about it in the works... He said it was years off though....

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/418612.page#3776722

OK...

1) I hope you didn't dislocate a shoulder patting yourself on the back!
2) Did you mean to link to a different post? Because this one:

krazynadechukr wrote:

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:Here are a few characteristics of the possible Stormbird model....

There is no possible Stormbird model. They're not going to make a plastic kit that dwarfs a Thunderhawk.

Actually, they said the model would fit between a Storm Raven & a Thunderhawk....

seems to indicate you thought the model would be smaller than a Thunderhawk?

There was a time when I first heard about the HH coming from forgeworld and honestly thought it would fail. It sounded way too ambitious to me. Later, I thought it would continue to exists, but get more expensive due to the lack of a player base willing to invest. Now, BaC exists. What a time to be alive.

Has anyone actually seen in real life a Tau Manta assembled and painted? It seems like one of those legendary kits, like the former Imperial Walls that look good on the FW website but when you imagine paying for it, putting it together and painting you probably going to say "no, thanks".

 Yaraton wrote:
Has anyone actually seen in real life a Tau Manta assembled and painted? It seems like one of those legendary kits, like the former Imperial Walls that look good on the FW website but when you imagine paying for it, putting it together and painting you probably going to say "no, thanks".

I've never seen one in person, amd I've often wondered the same thing myself. It's just so ridiculously huge and unwieldly, I can't imagine someone actually transporting it to an Apoc game and then risking having it on the table. How would you even place it on the table? The base would be so large you could never put it on/over terrain!

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:
Has anyone actually seen in real life a Tau Manta assembled and painted? It seems like one of those legendary kits, like the former Imperial Walls that look good on the FW website but when you imagine paying for it, putting it together and painting you probably going to say "no, thanks".

I've never seen one in person, amd I've often wondered the same thing myself. It's just so ridiculously huge and unwieldly, I can't imagine someone actually transporting it to an Apoc game and then risking having it on the table. How would you even place it on the table? The base would be so large you could never put it on/over terrain!

When I first saw it I figured it was going to be primarily a collector or diorama makers thing, but people play it none the less... I'm glad the largest thing Necrons have is the Pylon

My friend has one but never painted it before he gave up 40k. Sad day for hobby.

 Yaraton wrote:
Has anyone actually seen in real life a Tau Manta assembled and painted? It seems like one of those legendary kits, like the former Imperial Walls that look good on the FW website but when you imagine paying for it, putting it together and painting you probably going to say "no, thanks".

I have. Guy who plays at the local GW shop has one, and it's been in to be used in games from time to time. A bit boring, other than the spectacle, because they just put the two gaming tables end to end (so 4x12) and literally all it can do is start at one end and fly in a straight line down the long table. Really, it's a model that demands a big special event game that takes place on a ballroom floor.

Thanks for the replies. So I guess if the Stormbird is done to the same size it will have the same gaming success.

I think the Stormbird FW has done is really the maximum size for a flier to remain remotely practical in a game played on a standard gaming table.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:
Has anyone actually seen in real life a Tau Manta assembled and painted? It seems like one of those legendary kits, like the former Imperial Walls that look good on the FW website but when you imagine paying for it, putting it together and painting you probably going to say "no, thanks".

I've never seen one in person, amd I've often wondered the same thing myself. It's just so ridiculously huge and unwieldly, I can't imagine someone actually transporting it to an Apoc game and then risking having it on the table. How would you even place it on the table? The base would be so large you could never put it on/over terrain!

Yes, like a boogie board
Guy in our apocalypse group holds his up with a mic stand, music sheet stand. Works really well. But yeah, quite big.

I find my thunderhawk a pain to use in a game let alone transport to our gaming club. In 5 years its been used a few times as scenery and once in a game.

I can see the storm bird being even worse, I wonder if it has an attachment for a flying base, would be sad to cut a hole in it.

Daston wrote:
I find my thunderhawk a pain to use in a game let alone transport to our gaming club. In 5 years its been used a few times as scenery and once in a game.

I can see the storm bird being even worse, I wonder if it has an attachment for a flying base, would be sad to cut a hole in it.

Aye, on an 8x4 table filled with ground forces these colossal flyers are such a ballache to game with. Nice models but they take up acres of space due to the rod+stand used to keep it "airborne". They'll probably spend more time making a nice but very expensive terrain piece. In fact, I'm willing to bet that most Thunderhawks are warming shelves a lot more than the average superheavy.

 zedmeister wrote:

Daston wrote:
I find my thunderhawk a pain to use in a game let alone transport to our gaming club. In 5 years its been used a few times as scenery and once in a game.

I can see the storm bird being even worse, I wonder if it has an attachment for a flying base, would be sad to cut a hole in it.

Aye, on an 8x4 table filled with ground forces these colossal flyers are such a ballache to game with. Nice models but they take up acres of space due to the rod+stand used to keep it "airborne". They'll probably spend more time making a nice but very expensive terrain piece. In fact, I'm willing to bet that most Thunderhawks are warming shelves a lot more than the average superheavy.

The last few games I've played against Thunderhawks they've spent all game sat on a landing pad.

 zedmeister wrote:

Daston wrote:
I find my thunderhawk a pain to use in a game let alone transport to our gaming club. In 5 years its been used a few times as scenery and once in a game.

I can see the storm bird being even worse, I wonder if it has an attachment for a flying base, would be sad to cut a hole in it.

Aye, on an 8x4 table filled with ground forces these colossal flyers are such a ballache to game with. Nice models but they take up acres of space due to the rod+stand used to keep it "airborne". They'll probably spend more time making a nice but very expensive terrain piece. In fact, I'm willing to bet that most Thunderhawks are warming shelves a lot more than the average superheavy.

I have both a Thunderhawk and Marauder Destroyer and the biggest pain is indeed the base. To support a heavy model it needs to be big and heavy (I use an oak plinth). This does not work well with tables with a lot of terrain and/or other models.

Has it been announced when Raid on Kastorel-Novum is being reprinted/updated? It's not available on the website any more, and hasn't been for a few months now, but I can't find any information about when it'll be back.

 Goliath wrote:
Has it been announced when Raid on Kastorel-Novum is being reprinted/updated? It's not available on the website any more, and hasn't been for a few months now, but I can't find any information about when it'll be back.

RoKN was never a big seller, it might well be gone for good.

It should at least pop up at the next Orcs Codex update whenever this is going to be. (Pure speculation, not a rumor.)

Anyone happen to see any new decals sheets at the Weekender? I keep waiting for House Vyronii sheets...

 Shandara wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

Daston wrote:
I find my thunderhawk a pain to use in a game let alone transport to our gaming club. In 5 years its been used a few times as scenery and once in a game.

I can see the storm bird being even worse, I wonder if it has an attachment for a flying base, would be sad to cut a hole in it.

Aye, on an 8x4 table filled with ground forces these colossal flyers are such a ballache to game with. Nice models but they take up acres of space due to the rod+stand used to keep it "airborne". They'll probably spend more time making a nice but very expensive terrain piece. In fact, I'm willing to bet that most Thunderhawks are warming shelves a lot more than the average superheavy.

I have both a Thunderhawk and Marauder Destroyer and the biggest pain is indeed the base. To support a heavy model it needs to be big and heavy (I use an oak plinth). This does not work well with tables with a lot of terrain and/or other models.

I do wish that I purchased a Reaver titan instead, I imagine it would be used far more frequently.

 Yaraton wrote:
Has anyone actually seen in real life a Tau Manta assembled and painted? It seems like one of those legendary kits, like the former Imperial Walls that look good on the FW website but when you imagine paying for it, putting it together and painting you probably going to say "no, thanks".

Yes. Saw it at the weekend when I met some 'Dakka members for a game of 40K at Warhammer World.

The thing is massive. It was part of a display. Looked like it would take up at least half a standard gaming board.

Edit: Whereas with this SM one you could even use it play games around - place it in the middle as a crash land and have one army try and protect something inside.