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Thermo-Optical Tuareg





California

They're using the same TAG frame. Why would they be different sizes?

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PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant





Are they? I thought seraph and uhlan shared frames, with the tikbalang, jotum and squalo sharing a different, larger frame

DA:70+S--G-M+B++I+Pw40k09++DA+/hWD-R-T(BG)DM+  
   
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Plastictrees





Calgary, Alberta, Canada

All three of those look great to me. I've read it's not too hot rules wise but I still haven't played a full game so whoop dee doo!
   
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Charging Dragon Prince





Armoured Cavalry (Squalo series) belongs to the larger chassis family. Uhlan, Seraph, Tikbalang are their smaller relatives. Perhaps, if CB released them years ago, they'd be same sized.

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Thermo-Optical Spekter





Greece

They are all Stingray series IIRC, quite smaller TAG frames.
   
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao





Gosport, UK

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
They are all Stingray series IIRC, quite smaller TAG frames.


The Stingray series is the Seraph, Tikbalang and Uhlan. The Jotum, Dragoe and Armoured Cavalry are the Squalo series, which are bigger than the Stingrays.
   
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Thermo-Optical Spekter





Greece

Didn't say anything different.
   
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao





Gosport, UK

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Didn't say anything different.


I thought you meant all 6 of them were Stingray, sorry.
   
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Haemonculi Flesh Apprentice






AG miniature volume 1 arrived yesterday... Honestly I am A bit disappointed. It is basically a giant catalog/add for vallejo/infinity. I understood and expected those two to be exclusive plugs except I also expected a much better explanation/guide to technique and less of, I used product X in step (picture) 1, I used product Y in Step (picture) 2....

I was hoping for more, when airbrushing soft highlights I set my pleasure to X and I hold the airbrush at Y distance. I am sure to hold the model at _____ angle and I pull back on the trigger to allow Z amount of air flow. Be sure to ______..........

Instead the none metal metalic section just explains what NMM is then runs through another product list. He doesn't even eplain where he switches from an AB to a standard brush ( I knew where but I know most noobs won't)

It's a pretty coffee table book, but it is no where near worth it price tag IMO. I doesn't do a good job at explaining actual techniques at all.

Not trying to be harsh, just thought I'd give an honest and brief review from someone that takes painting very seriously and although I admit I already know how to two brush wet blend and glaze, it doesn't excuse the book from really explaining how to do these techniques.

Hopefully others are gaining more then I am seeing. Again pretty book, might help you somewhat recreate the exact model he is showing, however not a great tool. You might be able to paint a red Iguana with the book, you probably will never paint a similar caliber gorgos however. Not unless you already could. : /

   
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao





Gosport, UK

I don't know if your in depth airbrush guide like that would work. Surely it would be different depending on what airbrush you had?
   
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber






Illinois

Huh sounds like my plan to regret not getting the new Joan model and sticking to AB how-to videos on youtube was not a bad one (for me at least).

I assume giving you specific pressures would be kind of pointless, but if they usually had the pressure set at X and noted they adjusted up/down to Y at a certain point, you could at least have an idea of what was changing. To highlight/shade the area thusly, I reduced the pressure setting, or somesuch. More of a tip than a bland explanation.

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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?





Affton, MO. USA

Picked up a copy at miniaturemarket today. I actually like the book, and the model is awesome . It is a very basic book, but the basics are where I tend to fail or skip, so a good reminder.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Haemonculi Flesh Apprentice






 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't know if your in depth airbrush guide like that would work. Surely it would be different depending on what airbrush you had?


As someone who has owned an airbrush for years, yes it would work. No it wouldn't matter. While design and extra features may vary a bit they all have the same functional parts. Yes, there is a leap from GW's single action AB and Angels Harder and Steinbeck but thats like the diference between the plastic brushes that come in a watercolor set and a basic size zero brush from Michals. The sad thing is, he doesn't even run down those differences between junk and standard quality. Don't believe me? Youtube search and you can find some run downs and guides by folks like Les Bersley. Again, not trying to be harsh just giving honest to goodness facts here. Yes the info is out there, but for 60+dollars for a paint guide from a guy that almost exclusively AB's he should at least give his opinion on why he uses the model he does. Instead it's just a product placement with no explanation to the novice.

If you want to learn to paint better I'd highly suggest GW series by Duncan Rhodes on youtube (i think it's Rhodes? a bit sleepy) which is MUCH better at explaining and giving tips to the laymen. Also, it's free.

Not trying to be a jerk, I love the guy and think he is an amazing painter, which is why I am a bit sad I over paid for what is essentially a product catalog.


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 GrimDork wrote:
Huh sounds like my plan to regret not getting the new Joan model and sticking to AB how-to videos on youtube was not a bad one (for me at least).

I assume giving you specific pressures would be kind of pointless, but if they usually had the pressure set at X and noted they adjusted up/down to Y at a certain point, you could at least have an idea of what was changing. To highlight/shade the area thusly, I reduced the pressure setting, or somesuch. More of a tip than a bland explanation.


Exactly. It doesn't explain angle, distance, pressure or even needle size!!! Which is huge for a beginner.

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Regular Dakkanaut





I was kind of worried that the book would be a poor tool for actually learning any new techniques just based on his tutorials online like this one:

http://www.beastsofwar.com/3-colors-up/weekend-angel-paint-infinity-kum-riders-part-one/

You go from this:
The first highlight is applied with Dark Grey and I also used the airbrush here too.


to this:
The second highlight is achieved with a mixture of 30% Dark Grey and 70% White. This was applied on the area of the first highlight but I reduced the size of the application.


It might be technically correct and useful if you already know the angles and techniques to reproduce that effect, but if you have never done it before good luck matching his results based on those directions.

Or this step:
9) Using the airbrush I finished the further highlights with White.

That tells me very little of what he actually did on this step. I can kind of figure it out by comparing to the previous steps, but it isn't teaching me much if I'm not already painting at a similar level to him.

I haven't gotten my copy of the book yet, but here is an unboxing video:



What's disappointing based on that video is that there doesn't appear to be a step by step for the Joan of Arc that comes with the book.

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Haemonculi Flesh Apprentice






You nailed it. It just runs through steps listing product codes with color names. At the beginning of a section he will use a wikipedia definition of a glaze, but then it's literally just steps A to Z listing every color under the sun made by vallejo on a CB mini.

Maybe I am the only one, but I wanted his insight. His theories, his inspirations behind a model etc etc. A bit of heart and soul, not to mention the basics of how, when and why you would glaze or use a wash and what colors and situations it is best suited for.

   
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Regular Dakkanaut





Yeah the miniature mentor videos generally do a really good job of this. It's tougher to instill in a written tutorial, but for example this glazing tutorial does a pretty good job, as does this zenithal highlight tutorial. Many of Angel's "steps" could be broken down into entire page long tutorials if they are targeted towards beginner to intermediate painters.

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Krazed Killa Kan





SoCal

This is why I don't buy how to art books unless the subject is more technical.

A lot of painting is actually in how you move the brush and choose exactly where and how you move it.

As above, I also recommend the Miniature Mentor videos, as you can clearly see where and how the painters apply the paint. Trust me, it's worth the money. I was subscribed for a year and learned the most from it.

From those videos, I finally understood how those guys were getting those amazing blends, including about how much to thin my paint, where to apply the paint, how to drag the thinned paint around so promote blending, how much paint to apply and at what rate to apply it (very little, almost imperceptible even on HD video), etc.

It gave me the skills to see what Angel was doing to that biker miniature. In step 9 for example, he previously applied white lines to edges, and went back over with a dark grey to tone back in the white so that it blends. Now, he's gone back and sprayed white back onto the same areas as before to strengthen the highlights.

   
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Regular Dakkanaut





Yeah, buypainted.com also has some really good airbrush-centric tutorials, though they are almost 100% GW based models.
   
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Myrmidon Officer





NC

Karazax wrote:
Yeah, buypainted.com also has some really good airbrush-centric tutorials, though they are almost 100% GW based models.
I've used a lot of their tutorials to help me with Infinity in general.

Their Blood Angels and Ultramarines have helped me get started on airbrushing the Icestorm Nomads and PanO respectively.
   
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Raging Rat Ogre




Cheers for the links to all of the different tutorials guys, I've come across one or two before randomly on Youtube but it's nice to see they have a dedicated resource to call upon.

Don't hesitate to share anymore, though!
   
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Myrmidon Officer





NC

The YouTube Channels of SchnauzerFaceMinis and AwesomePaintJob have also taught me a decent amount of airbrushing+painting techniques. No Infinity, but Space Marines and World of Warmachine models are bland enough to extrapolate off of.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPtFEqSumWcgmmLsF6cyFhA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0vYyCks8CDWZBHz-qtZhbA

I agree that overall, videos tend to be much more informative than a book.
Even Angel Giraldez's facebook posts and blog posts are more interesting than a book due to their larger images.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






Westchester, NY

I also got the AG book.

Overall I'm happy with it. It reminds me very much of the Forgeworld masterclass books, and i expect I will use it in something like the same way. I found the sections at the beginning of the book interesting and useful where he takes a closer look at techniques. The truth is, master those techniques and it is not hard to see how he paints, which is why I paid for the book. You can also reverse engineer a lot of stuff just by looking at the pictures. It is a good book if you are interested in integrating airbrush and traditional techniques.

Can't say I've tried it yet, but I think it will improve my painting if I go through painting my own version of the mini (or something similar) step by step and trying my best to get every step to look like the photo in the book, I have a feeling I would learn that way.... that's the way the book is laid out so that's how we should use it.

My one contructive crit is please no busts. I found the busts to be less impressive and I bought the book to learn how to paint Infinity miniatures, and found the section on busts very unhelpful. The product placement I can understand since i am already happy with my airbrush, and already own Vallejo paints, and this is normal for books like this.

 
   
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Regular Dakkanaut





 Scrub wrote:
Cheers for the links to all of the different tutorials guys, I've come across one or two before randomly on Youtube but it's nice to see they have a dedicated resource to call upon.

Don't hesitate to share anymore, though!


Here are some lists of general miniature painting related tutorials to check out:

Privateer Press Tutorial list

Reaper Miniatures Tutorial Database

tutofig.com has links to tutorials all over the web.

CMON forums

For paid content though the miniaturementor.com stuff is excellent. For $70 you can download every video they have released so far and then cancel if you want, and it is studio quality painters giving in depth tutorials on each step with video that has close up and clear views of almost everything they are doing. As much free content as there is out there, there is a lot of mediocre stuff to search thru to get to the great stuff. Seeing an expert do and explain things on video with clear shots of their work is worth it to me.

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Raging Rat Ogre




Absolutionis and Karazax. Thank you both! You've given me plenty of food for thought and more besides!

It would seem I have a lot to learn but I knew that already!

Picking up lots of useful information, just need to implement it now, hah!

Does Dakka have a thread on this topic anywhere? Might be a good idea for peeps to have a dedicated thread to hang out and share info with each other about great tutorials and artist?
   
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Regular Dakkanaut





The DakkaDakka Painting and Modeling Tutorials forum
Here are some other good entry level tutorial videos by UselesswizardD



GirlPainting has some good videos too.

And then this thread just has some excellent miniatures done with blue zenithal airbrush highlights: http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?95004-Next-faction-Jamie-s-Legion
   
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg





California

Girlpainting's videos were really helpful to me. She basically retaught me how to paint with her series.

   
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?





Affton, MO. USA

Forgot who mentioned no step by step for the Joan d'Arc figure, but they ate on page 94-99. Getting time to look at it more while waiting for my car to be repaired.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Battlefield Professional




Nottingham, England

I think the book is well worth it, it's pretty obvious what's applied where from the pics and I never expected it to be a how to guide for specific miniatures, maybe others did, but I didn't. Vallejo us featured heavily because he says that is what the uses, and to be honest Vallejo is now more widely stocked in my locale than GW paint!
   
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Incorporating Wet-Blending





Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.

I expected it to go in depth in regards to techniques but it sounds like it doesn't do that.



 
   
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Dakka Veteran





Chesapeake Beach, Maryland

Ok lots of useful insight into painting and reviews of the book and all, but it would all be better suited for discussion in our general discussion forum where we have had a thread dedicated to Angels book for a good long while and you could start a general painting tips thread if you like as well.

   
 
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