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So, actually bought a WD because it had some good paint articals in it. The new beastman just seem so ..... bad!

Now, every now and GW releases a mini that isn't as good as it could be but these just seem so bad almost across the whole range. The minotaors ick, pseudo samauri bestigors are funnily posed and WTH is the bug eyed razorgor!!!! The doombull is unimaginative at best and Warhoof is just dull. Barring the horns and his funny stick Malagor seems almost OK.

What went wrong? Sculpting at GW has been coming on leaps and bounds and then this.

Indeed its a hit/miss thing... hit on nids miss on beastmen. By looking at sculpting positions ads at GW I can imagine they know these models are not... good.
Maybe they are short on sculptors and have to compromise quality to meet deadlines and so deliver things to trainees?

The minos is a huge I mean HUGE error... I believe they missed the chance for a bestseller, everyone wants minotaurs ( not only for GW games) and cool plastics would sell like hotcakes.

Also dont know if these were made by computer technologies, no matter how good a program is it will produce crap results if the user is not a qualified artist.

i dunno i like them especially the minotaurs

I think the minis look fantastic, they're just not painted very well.

The razorgor is laughably bad, a wild boar on steroids.

The Minotaurs I'm not sure of, they have not been painted in a sympathetic manner on the GW site, very light highlighting and harsh dark lines between the muscles. That's not what real skin looks like even on very muscled people, the effect makes their skin look more like a cracked pavement effect, like I would use on a figure of an Earth Elemental or something, not on something supposed to be fleshy.

I agree with the three postsers above this- the minotaurs could be very good models, and are just painted with too much contrast (which has been discussed here before... a few times).

I've seen them in person a number of times as just plastic at the GW stores in the area, and imho, they look really good.

Being a wood elves player, I'm very tempted to get their arch-nemesis . So I actually like these models... and they've grown on me more and more as time has passed since I first saw them.

im not a great painter but GWs painting team has been sucking for awhile now. IMO need to hire some new painters FAST.

It's not a problem with the painters. Those models are almost unanimously awful. The regular gors/ungors are fine, but those minotaurs are bad sculpts, and those razorgors are hilariously bad. I've seen the minotaurs from multiple angles, on sprue as bare plastic, and with different paintjobs, and they still look like a pile of walking butts.

Hmm... having seen the minotaurs in person multiple times as well, I disagree...

Different strokes I guess. I'd call them pretty below-par for Citadel sculpting either way. It's just a question of whether you wretch in revulsion or simply don't like them that much.

Then again, I like Canis Wolfborn so my opinion is probably invalid.

Yes... seeing as I absolutely hate the Canis Wolfborn model, I guess we have different tastes

yea i like the minotaurs i dont see anything wrong with them the paint job does the great injustice though.

Trust me, the Minotaurs look a lot better without the GW paintjob. Yeah, the shin and face muscles are still goofy, but they're otherwise OK.

The Razorgors, on the other hand, are just awful. Remember that old cartoon Daria? They remind me of that psycho teacher whose eyes constantly bulge out of his head from stress.

I've seen them all apart from the characters and the razorgor in person, and I don't mind them, although I can see why people dislike the minotaurs heads.

The thing that really gets me about this release is the fact that while ten gors cost $45 NZD, the bestigors, which aren't any bigger at all are ten for $79 NZD. It's the biggest example I've ever seen of GW pricing for tabletop effectiveness, not product.

Does anyone have pics of the New Beastmen? I'm interested in taking a look so I can see what all the fuss is about. Lastly, I don't play WFB, but are Beastmen one of the suckier races? Or are they actually decent? If they are crap, are they getting a new Codex soon?

Darkzephyr wrote:Does anyone have pics of the New Beastmen? I'm interested in taking a look so I can see what all the fuss is about. Lastly, I don't play WFB, but are Beastmen one of the suckier races? Or are they actually decent? If they are crap, are they getting a new Codex soon?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1310005&rootCatGameStyle=wh

Yeah, the Minotaurs are much better in person. The painjob GW chose is just horrendous. Some of the heads are horrific, but you get enough heads to avoid using them.

The Costigors are all too static to be worth the exorbitant price they're charging for them.

And the Razorgore is quite simply the worst model they've made since the Dark Eldar range was released.

Why the F*** did they kick out the dragon ogre shaggoth ? if anything BM have less options then before.

Because they're now Beastmen, not Beasts of Chaos.

It's CSM 4th edition all over again.

Actually saw the Razorgor today, unpainted. If you did the bulging eye as a pustule, it should look okay. Other than that, out with the clippers, snippity snip, smidge of Greenstuff (eye shouldn't be too hard to resculpt) and it will look pretty sweet. As long as you leave the additional spines off.

As for the the rest of the range, see the models in person. The paintjob/photography has simply not done them justice!

As for leaving out the Shaggoth, it's the triumvate of Chaos.

1. Daemons. Formed and indeed part of Chaos.
2. Mortals. Those who have, through free will, pledged themselves to the cause.
3. Beasts. Those who through birth, owe their allegiance to the Chaos Gods.

As for losing options. I assume you missed the Ghorgon, Cygor and Jabberslythe? All the same cost, all equally as useful, all pretty damned tasty? Oh, and the Razorgor. Meh Model, fantastic rules (Heavy Cav hitting power comes in Herds. Lovely!)

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Actually saw the Razorgor today, unpainted. If you did the bulging eye as a pustule, it should look okay. Other than that, out with the clippers, snippity snip, smidge of Greenstuff (eye shouldn't be too hard to resculpt) and it will look pretty sweet. As long as you leave the additional spines off.

As for the the rest of the range, see the models in person. The paintjob/photography has simply not done them justice!

Im going to snip the eyes off , and glue the extra spikes on the eye.

It just cant be considered a razorgor without spikes growing out from its eye socket!

Suit yourself Hen!

Body and head are really nicely proportioned. Apart from the eye of Inexplicabilty, the model is nice and solid!

I quite like the gors (the one with the face stretched across his crotch-guard aside. That's just silly.) The ungors are going a bit hunch-backy but I think mixed in with a bunch of old ungor plastics they should work. I like the new weapon options.

I absolutely loathe the minos and razorgor (as I've said many times before) and I will not buy them.

I used to have mixed feelings about Malagor. I didn't realize he had crows wings at first. Now I think he's a bit ridiculous. But snip those off, put some rageddy cloak in their place, and replace that silly torso on his staff and I think it would be a solid model.

The loss of the dragon ogres and the shaggoth disappointed me, but then it got me thinking that because the razorgors are so offensive to my sight, would it be wrong to use a dragon ogre in place? Obviously a converted dragon ogre that looks cool and unique, not the stock dragon ogres. I wouldn't want to replace a very silly model with a slightly less silly one. Since Beastmen can't get dragon ogres, there'd be no confusion, right?

And then could the shaggoth be used as one of the big monsters?

I like the infantry models and the new characters. They look fine and the heavy armored infantry are quite nice.

The minotaurs have too much skin not enough fur for my tastes. I have the same problem with the new skaven. Their hair is assumed but no modelled with the exception of small tufts on the edges of extremities such as the bottoms of forearms and their jaw lines.

I agree that GW botched a huge opportunity on the minotaurs as many game systems use them and it would have been a huge seller. The old metals are far better despite their age.

Howard A Treesong wrote:The razorgor is laughably bad, a wild boar on Crack.

Fixed.

I would have given the Minotaurs a darker scheme, more dark brown.

I'm in the 'English Riviera' for the week and popped into the local GW yesterday (Saturday) to have a look at the models in the flesh but couldn't see any anywhere. When I asked the manager if they had any he told me he had put them out the back! Take that how you will...

He did get one of the minotaurs out for me to have a look at and I have to say I wasn't impressed. And I agree GW seem to be costing certain Fantasy units to there battlefield worth rather than monertary worth...

Mick

The price per unit changed mostly when Ogre Kingdoms was released. $40+ for 3 plastic 40mm based models is steep.

The true nature of their pricing being based around how many of a product a single army would use was shown when the new plastic Greatswords were released. $41 for 10 plastic greatswords is almost twice the cost of 10 core infantry. I can see a small price difference, but making a unit of 25 greatswords cost essentially $123(assuming you don't Ebay or trade for the last 5 models) makes them more costly than similar units that are still metal. A unit of 20 Black Guard costs around $81, and the same for plastic greatswords is $82.

What GW failed to realize here was that the greatswords kit offered a chance to add in bitz and new torsos and legs that most Empire players would want to more customize their models. So if the kit was only $25 many would buy them even after completing their unit if only to mod characters and unit champions out of them.

Now keep in mind the scuplts for greatswords are actually decent. Why they went with the same pricing strategy for such tragic models is beyond me.

Mick A wrote:I'm in the 'English Riviera' for the week and popped into the local GW yesterday (Saturday) to have a look at the models in the flesh but couldn't see any anywhere. When I asked the manager if they had any he told me he had put them out the back! Take that how you will...

He did get one of the minotaurs out for me to have a look at and I have to say I wasn't impressed. And I agree GW seem to be costing certain Fantasy units to there battlefield worth rather than monertary worth...

Mick

Did he show you the Doombull or the Minotaur? I like the Doombull, but maybe it's the
paintjob and the hiding of the muscles with the armor pieces.

Hate all the models except the Doombull. I actually LOVE that model, but its juse so damn expensive.