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I don't really play fantasy, but I do collect the models. I've got vast, vast numbers of goblins and skaven but they're mostly just gathering dust. I'd like to get into the game, especially with an army focussing on elite troops rather than hordes. The idea of a Khornate army appeals to me greatly, but in 40k, mono lists don't tend to do so well in my experience. I'd really like to learn the game using the daemoniac legions of the blood god, but is it a good idea, or will it leave a bitter taste in my mouth as the army fails again and again?

It is viable, but it lacks tactics. If you want a mono khorne army, them the only real options you have is to charge forward and slaughter everything. Also you'll be put at a disadvantage against shooting armies, but you can solve this with some furies.

Don't get me wrong, it's very fun (I run an all khorne list). But if it's a wide variety of tactics you are looking for then a mono khorne army is not what you want to play.

Khorne's a blunt object, I get that. I'm not looking for a wide variety of tactics as such,just trying to find out if it's the sort of army that can be maffed by something as silly as unfavourable terrain or going second.

Terrain shouldn't give you a problem. The only time that getting second turn can be a problem is when you are facing an army with lots of shooting.

Don't let shooting scare you too much though, most armies can't bring all that much, and the effectiveness of shooting is often over stated. Daemons can suck it up better than most, and Khorne really doesn't need all that many guys to reach the enemy for carnage to ensue.

Well being demons, yes any mono-god list is pretty excellent. The thing about going mono-god is the lists become frightfully one-sided very quickly: khorne is all very fast, very mean assault (unless you're going bloodletter heavy, but you probably aren't); nurgle is incredibly hard to get any points off of, though is so slow that it will have to rely on the other dude to finally engage to earn any points itself, which will come through CR most likely (though magic + GUO + nurgs maybe do stuff); tizz is quite infamous for being OTT magic + OTT flamers. Slaanesh is my favorite, combining drunken speed with being somewhat weak, but she plays a more interesting game IMO, having to work a bit more than the other gods while also utilizing a brutal psych game when combined with the Masque. Siren song is ok too

To your question about Khorne, yea it's viable! Bloodthirster + flesh hounds + jugger heralds = profit.

- Salvage

SO would a 2000pt list potentially look something like:

Thirster

Herald on jugger

Herald

15 bloodletters

15 bloodletters

10 furies

5 flesh hounds

3 bloodcrushers




Maybe?

You need a third core choice, which I doubt furies fulfill. Maybe 2x min letters and 1 bigger unit with a herald? Also something to note, bloodcrushers may be hot sex in 40k but flesh hounds are better in fantasy

- Salvage

Yes, they are viable. They are Daemons!

Shuffle the two 15xman blocks into 3x 10xmans and your core is good. Contrary to a previous statemnet, Khorne doesn't care that much about shooting or magic, the army has pretty robust statlines and respectable saves on top of MR, you'll cross the board in 2x turns with a few casualties, but mostly in tact. That being said, you don't need furies (in truth no deamon army really does). They fly and everything but can't fight anything fiercer than an occaisional WM crew and if your opponent doesn't have WM then they wander around deperately trying to find somehting half-slowed enough they can actually fight it instead of exploding to instability.

In agreement with above, mono-god lists of any persuasion will not only work, they can make very strong lists that will crush subpar lists easily and give you a game against just about anything.

As mentioned above, mono-Khorne and mono-Tzeentch are the nastiest, and generally the easiest to play. Khorne marches up the board, charges anything and everything, and murderizes. Tzeentch flies around avoiding charges and magic/shoots everything to death. Nurgle is a little tougher because it has a different game plan than most. Nurgle's best army is one that's set up to basically refuse to yield any VP's, capture a few VP's here and there, be in all table quarters, and win a low points game through massive VP-denial.

Slaanesh is about the hardest army to play as a mono-god list, and is the weakest (IMO), though that certainly doesn't mean it's a weak army by any means. Just not quite as brutal as some other Daemon builds. That said, it has blazing speed, and against an army that's not ItP it can do super nasty things really fast. It has a little more trouble against an all ItP army, though it's still strong. Just actually requires a bit more thought than, say, mono-Tzeentch or Khorne. With Khorne, you have a pile of weapons you just point at your opponent's models and kill. With Tzeentch, you just have a nuke button...push it a bunch of times until your opponent's army doesn't exist. A monkey could win most games with either of those armies. Also, the people who play them are bad people and should be shunned.

To be honest I don't think any list in a daemon army can be not viable. it's a shame the players always get flamed for playing them, becuase most of the time they're just getting stereotyped as power-gamers. Otherwise BLOOD FOR THE-BLOOD GOD!!!

True. Well, some of them may be power-gamers. But don't tell anyone.

And you could probably make a bad Daemon army. Something like a Daemon Prince for a Lord, 3 blocks of Daemonettes, and fill the rest of the army with Furies and Beasts of Nurgle.

(Though those Beasts could be nasty...they're just horrendously overpriced compared to everything else on that page and the page opposite.)

Otherwise...ummm...CHANGE FOR THE CHANGE-GOD (shenanigans for the shenanigans-god?)

Mastershake wrote: [Furies] fly and everything but can't fight anything fiercer than an occasional WM crew and if your opponent doesn't have WM then they wander around desperately trying to find something half-slowed enough they can actually fight it instead of exploding to instability.

Put them behind enemy units to insta-gib them when they break, or temporarily deny ranks to inflict more instability/crumble wounds.

Alright, so basically the army works fine, but I should expect to cop a lot of flak for playing it, and will probably be accused of power gaming every time I beat someone?

Furies can't deny ranks as they're skirmish, but they can get behind you to cause you to die if you break as mentioned. Or capture a table quarter (but typically, that's what your core sits around doing while the rest of your army plays the game).

Bloodthirster wrote:To be honest I don't think any list in a daemon army can be not viable. it's a shame the players always get flamed for playing them, becuase most of the time they're just getting stereotyped as power-gamers. Otherwise BLOOD FOR THE-BLOOD GOD!!!

It's a shame, really. I got my Tzeentch army for 40K, and they're subpar there (doesn't help that I made some decisions based on money and personal likes/dislikes instead of effectiveness). Now I want to play fantasy... but would feel bad about it, because it's apparently impossible to lose with them, or something.

DaveL wrote:
It's a shame, really. I got my Tzeentch army for 40K, and they're subpar there (doesn't help that I made some decisions based on money and personal likes/dislikes instead of effectiveness). Now I want to play fantasy... but would feel bad about it, because it's apparently impossible to lose with them, or something.

Don't let the lame groupthink that winning=bad person steer you away from using a fun army that you own for a game you want to play. Winning is fun, and there's nothing wrong with winning games. Some people feel superior for using subpar armies to try to win, or try to guilt people who play stronger armies into bringing down their game. But those people are lame, and (imo) are more of a detriment to the hobby than people who enjoy playing strong armies. So long as you're not a jerk while you play the game, most people will not have any problem with you. And again, winning is fun. That's why people who don't win as much (whether because they lack the skill or purposely handicap themselves by playing poor armies) get upset and try to guilt people who do win. If winning really wasn't as important to them as fluff or theme or a good clean game, they wouldn't be upset to get their teeth kicked in once in a while. But the enjoyment you derive from the game depends entirely on you, not what other people think. Go for it.

And as an aside, if you want to start playing Fantasy, it implies you don't play now. Strong army or not, you're not going to walk up to a table in your first ever game and smoke anyone who steps up. There's still a learning curve. It might actually make people like playing you more if they manage to take a win away against a hard as nails army.

And as a further aside, I've had some success with Tzeentch Daemons in 40k. Certainly nothing like in Fantasy, but complied an overall winning record, which is a success in my book.

sirisaacnuton wrote:
Don't let the lame groupthink that winning=bad person steer you away from using a fun army that you own for a game you want to play. Winning is fun, and there's nothing wrong with winning games.

True. Honestly, I suspect I'd be a little bored with if it's easy - more so than if it's hard, as in 40K - but I should at least give it a shot.

sirisaacnuton wrote:
And as a further aside, I've had some success with Tzeentch Daemons in 40k. Certainly nothing like in Fantasy, but complied an overall winning record, which is a success in my book.

I've done well against foot MEQs and foot Eldar armies, of which I have seen very few. Still getting models for dealing with other armies...

There is a difference, however, between a strong army and a degenerate army. Tzeentch DoC in WHFB are an example of the second.

sirisaacnuton wrote:
And as an aside, if you want to start playing Fantasy, it implies you don't play now. Strong army or not, you're not going to walk up to a table in your first ever game and smoke anyone who steps up. There's still a learning curve.

This. I don't want to be able to smoke whoever walks up, I want to learn the rules with an army I think looks cool, and that I understand will be more forgiving than the O&G.

With the exception of Ogres, I think anything is more forgiving than O&G. You get more screwed by your own armies rules than by what your opponent does. I'm still bitter about my time with that army, "animostiy" can burn in hell.

You need 3 units of flesh hounds.

They are the best Khorne unit in the book.
The Blood thirster is the second best character, only pipped by a Ld bomb KOS with masque and the -2LD banner in support.

And for learning, Flesh Hounds and a Bloodthirster are much easier than Keeper + support.

March/fly forward, next turn charge, roll attacks, resolve combat.