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A lot of people play eldar. Let's do a quick count of eldar units with a 3+ armor save:

Dark Reapers
Guardians on jetbikes
Shining Spears
Warp Spiders
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Last year there were more eldar armies at the Necro than Space Marines combined.

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Eldar are not MEQs, because the majority of their army doesn't have a 3+ Save. Unless you count the whole unit Wraithguard, they don't even have a Troops choice with a 3+ Save. And they certainly aren't Toughness 4.

Whereas almost everything Marines, Chaos, and Necrons field is T 4, Sv 3+. There is a significant difference.

Looking at it that way, Eldar do seem to have a lot of 3+, but none of the are T4. The thing is that Eldar do not have a 3+ troop ( Not counting ten man wraithguard squads ).

why is this topic still going on my question was answered lol. I love ya guys and your sanagains.

MinMax wrote:Eldar are not MEQs, because the majority of their army doesn't have a 3+ Save.

No true at all!

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If MEQ is defined as 3+ save, 4 toughness, then eldar is not MEQ

if MEQ is defined just as mostly 3+ save, then there are eldar armies that are pretty much MEQ - but they aren't that common. All-bike armies maybe. Otherwise Harlequins, Dire Avengers, regular guardians and the non-3+ elites are too common, typically making up at least half the model count of an eldar army. That isn't MEQ.

Anyway, I think there is a perception that marines attract certian types of players...young players (who are sometimes considered annoying) and then people who think warhammer 40k is just marines, and people who play non marine armies are weirdos or are almost playing a different game. I don't encounter these people that often, but they're out there for sure. There's just this weird attitude you get from them...I can't really describe it. It's kind of like the stereotypes you get about "ignorant americans" from other countries. Far from universally true, but there's enough examples of it and it's annoying enough that it sticks. Imagine a room full of people who talked like GBF or Beef, but were 100% serious and smelled like cheese.

Sooo ... is sisters of battle an MEQ army or not?

SoB are definitely MEQ.

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MinMax wrote:Unless you count the whole unit Wraithguard, they don't even have a Troops choice with a 3+ Save. And they certainly aren't Toughness 4.

I agree that Eldar are not MEq, but I have to point out that my Eldar army's Troops are all T4, 3+ Sv... jetbikes, man, jetbikes.

By the literal definition MEQ means Marine Equivalent - so any Marine army cannot qualify as a MEQ army. The one true MEQ army are Necrons as they have the same stats as Marines:

Sv 3+; WS4; BS4; S4; T4

For the record I have nothing against non-MEQ armies as the game would be very boring without them.

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ghostmaker wrote:why is this topic still going on my question was answered lol. I love ya guys and your sanagains.

I call shenanigans for the murder of the word 'shenanigans'!

I don't even know what the phrase "I call shenanigans" means. Can someone explain?

MEq stands for "Marines and their Equivalents" according to the handy Dakka hover over explainatron.

Check it on Wiki.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Check it on Wiki.

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It's not on Wiki.

SOBs aren't quite MEq, but have MEq-like qualities. BS/WS 4, boltguns, 3+ saves, high LD, but also T3, mostly short-ranged firepower. In some ways they're better than marines (AOF, cheaper per point mounted than marines--at least until recently, etc.) and in some ways not. So the point is quite mooted and debatable.

Eldar are NOT MEqs. I think the confusion has to do with usage. MEq became used in a time when most tournament armies were power armored--Marines, CSM, and Necrons. Therefore, when you prepared for a tournament, you prepared to handle MEqs primarily. Since then, MEq has been used as a catchall term meaning any tournament-level army, but that's syllogistic. There is probably a greater variety of tournament-level play options than in a long time: MEq is no longer required. Whether we go back to 2nd ed. when Marines weren't even all that good shall be seen.

I don't really consider SoB to be MEQ, in addition to S3 T3, they are only I3. They are a horde army in power armour.

but maybe I am just pulling teeth. Saint Celestine is a first rate MEQ close combat character.

But "Space Marines and Equivalents," are SM, CSM and Necrons. It is a term from when the Necron book came out and everything was WS4 BS4 S4 T4 I4 3+ w/ good ld, as has been mentioned.

T4 and 3+ stands up to Heavy Bolters and small arms fire pretty good.

hahaha i love you guys .....yall can end this converstion when ever you want to I got the idea thanks.

I do indeed desrive shenanigans being called on me for mispelling.

But this all is turly just some shenanigans

You know some people that play CSM seem to think they are not MEQ for whatever reason. I have always found that quite funny.

Anyways here is an online definition at another forum that states what I said (Marine equivalent):

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/40k-rules-help/30283-40k-abbreviations-3.html

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K I already found out the answer like a day or two ago lol thanks again guys.

You have much to learn about Dakka, young Ghostmaker.

This thread could be good for another dozen posts.

I think for Sisters if you had a faith point heavy army, especially one involving one or two choppy HQ, and Seraphim, you could call that a MEQ army. Meaning if you were up against an army that went heavy on AP3 templates etc it would have a hard time.

But if you had just one or two faith points, with a couple of Inquisitors, assassins and lots of 4+ stuff you couldn't really call that MEQ.