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I too had to get one of my License keys reset, as I had just re-installed about two weeks before I moved to a new job. It did take them a while to get back to me, but they did do it.

The reason for all the DRM (digital rights management) is that Army Builder 2.0 was very heavily pirated. All you needed was a burned CD and it would work, and there was also a license key generator. Most people I know didn't pay for AB2 (hell, I went half-sies with a friend of mine) for it.

It can be a pain in the ass, but I still like having it.

Lone Wolf Development consists of three or maybe four people. They're not a big conglomerate with service techs standing by doing nothing but answering calls and emails. Give them a few days to get back to you, especially if there's any conventions going on that they might be attending.

AB3 = The Schizzle. 20 for 29.

Augustus wrote:I just dont like not owning anything, I don't like the idea of buying the right to use something for a little while, on one piece of hardware, under conditions they set, at night, with the lights off, with the.... (you get the idea).

So delete your windows install, and pretty much all games and software you buy for the PC.

Augustus wrote:Besides it is clear that AB3 was done as a marketing ploy with intentional dropping of support for AB2 and the addition of NEW LICENSING.

Actually it was a ploy to keep in business.

You could crack AB2 as Iorek pointed out, and lemme tell ya as an unpaid volunteer for many years...that musta sucked for the guys trying to make a living off a stolen product.

Now it's more difficult to crack, and zomg they can actually make money off the software.\

Heaven forbid.

George Spiggott wrote:I used to be a fan of Armybuilder but AoI (Warmachine/Hordes) is less bother, gets updates quicker and is free. I always found making army lists for 40k easier in Excel. Which leaves just Flames of War. I can't really justify the cost for just one game.

Each to their own I suppose, it's not a bad program and I would recommend it to others (especially over the GW ones). I just don't use it myself.

I always find it amusing to hear someone say it's easier to make army lists in excel.

How is any effort a better deal than zero effort?

Of course warmachine gets updated more often.

There's only 5 frigging armies to keep updated, and they aren't GW armies with all kinds of weird dependencies to account for.

The 40k file isn't 3x as large as most other game files for nothing, ya know.

30$ is pricey...

Bloody cheap at twice the price in my opinion Stelek.

Excel is to Army Builder as Double-entry Accounting is to Poetry.

Nothing alike, from my experience.

BTW, as the original poster stated, he would rather have a 'cracked' copy, to avoid situations like this.

Pathetic. Why do you think they make a Reg. file so cheapkates CAN'T crack it.

I think the editors/developers/volunteers do a fething great job.

Loved AB2 worked just fine.

Gave up with AB3. It worked but I just hated it. Over-engineered for my purposes.

I actually enjoy the visceral thrill of managing Excel. All that copy and pasting, organizing, whew!

The End Times must be neigh, as I just described a spreadsheet as "visceral"...

SHAZAAM!

"They see me mowing my front lawn..."

Stelek wrote:I always find it amusing to hear someone say it's easier to make army lists in excel.

How is any effort a better deal than zero effort?

When I play 40k I don't always play from GW codicies (such as when I play with my Squats) therfore Excel is less effort.

Stelek wrote:Of course warmachine gets updated more often.

There's only 5 frigging armies to keep updated, and they aren't GW armies with all kinds of weird dependencies to account for.

The 40k file isn't 3x as large as most other game files for nothing, ya know.

More reading less rant huh? To recap, AoI gets updates quicker than AB3. BTW: Warmachine has more than 5 armies (not that it's important).

$30 on AB3 is $30 not spent on lead men. I'd rather spend my cash on lead men, your milage may vary.

George Spiggott wrote:

Stelek wrote:I always find it amusing to hear someone say it's easier to make army lists in excel.

How is any effort a better deal than zero effort?

When I play 40k I don't always play from GW codicies (such as when I play with my Squats) therfore Excel is less effort.

Stelek wrote:Of course warmachine gets updated more often.

There's only 5 frigging armies to keep updated, and they aren't GW armies with all kinds of weird dependencies to account for.

The 40k file isn't 3x as large as most other game files for nothing, ya know.

More reading less rant huh? To recap, AoI gets updates quicker than AB3. BTW: Warmachine has more than 5 armies (not that it's important).

$30 on AB3 is $30 not spent on lead men. I'd rather spend my cash on lead men, your milage may vary.

preach it brother.. preach it..

George Spiggott wrote:$30 on AB3 is $30 not spent on lead men. I'd rather spend my cash on lead men, your milage may vary.

This is why I don't buy superglue or paint for my models. I just stick them together with white glue and leave them their natural silver and gray colors like god intended. Also I get to save money for lead men.

No wait, I don't do that, I shelled out 3% of the money I have spent on models for Army builder which allows me easy configuration to play with them in a variety of ways and helps my future spending decisions.

If you had the license once, you can reinstall on the same code without calling support as long as it has been over 30 days since your last one, if your computer goes down faster than that you have other more important issues. I bought it several years ago and have reinstalled several times, never had to call. I have also had all the updates because while you have to click 6 times instead of one, you still get the same updates (have to update manually, which is about as hard as it was to update normally in AB2). I suppose the support could be worth it, but I have never had issues with 3 although I had plenty of issues with 2.

malfred wrote:"They see me mowing my front lawn..."

in your underwear?

$30? You could buy 6 more Spaze Marinez for that kind of money.

Actually, I kind of agree. I get by just fine with Excel and the trial version of AB3. Ditto not buying other stuff. Not buying stuff does not add up after a while.

But if someone bought it for me, I would be all smiles. In fact, someone did once, only the g a k - ing LGS couldn't get it, so I had a gift certificate on something else, which was fine. Or if I got a deal on it (say $10) in something like a DCM deal I would go for it, just for the awesomeness of it all.

"Is that Army Builder version 3.10?"
"NO. IT IS THE DAKKDAKKA ARMY BUILDER. SEE THE COOL THEME." "Also, check out these dice ...."

snooggums wrote:This is why I don't buy superglue or paint for my models. I just stick them together with white glue and leave them their natural silver and gray colors like god intended. Also I get to save money for lead men.

No wait, I don't do that, I shelled out 3% of the money I have spent on models for Army builder which allows me easy configuration to play with them in a variety of ways and helps my future spending decisions.

That would be your mileage varying... but your pedantry is noted non the less.

George Spiggott wrote:

snooggums wrote:This is why I don't buy superglue or paint for my models. I just stick them together with white glue and leave them their natural silver and gray colors like god intended. Also I get to save money for lead men.

No wait, I don't do that, I shelled out 3% of the money I have spent on models for Army builder which allows me easy configuration to play with them in a variety of ways and helps my future spending decisions.

That would be your mileage varying... but your pedantry is noted non the less.

I guess he drives a hummer, seriously bad gas mileage there..

Excel cost a lot more than $30 though.

akira5665 wrote:
BTW, as the original poster stated, he would rather have a 'cracked' copy, to avoid situations like this.

Pathetic. Why do you think they make a Reg. file so cheapkates CAN'T crack it.

I think the editors/developers/volunteers do a fething great job.

I read the original post as being the same as my own stance - I happily pay them for their product, but would MUCH rather not have to jump through DRM hoops afterwards.

I have two issues with Army Builder:

No Mac version (I can understand it, but it's still annoying.)

Uses non-standard GUI controls (This is more serious for me. AB2, and I believe I tried AB3 and it did the same thing, bot use a lot of Windows controls that don't quite work the way you'd expect... Just little things, like scrolling weird. I'd rather see the app support standard controls (including idioms like scroll wheels) and not look as dubiously 'pretty' but match the OS it's built to run on. It's also part of why, despite being a mac fan, I use Firefox as the browser of choice on my Windows boxes as opposed to Safari.)

It's been quite a few days now, still nothing from their product support. My email was polite I might add since I thought they'd get right back with me.

Pathetic Akira? Find somewhere else to post please.

I'm just someone who expects to not be hassled when I pay for software and think that pirates have it easier than those who pay $$. I bought a hard copy retail.

I'll send them another email and give an update here in a few more days. It would be nice to have a phone number or something.

I'll find somewhere else to post when you have something useful to add.

I can't see either happening.

Lets all calm down and head over to sourceforge. lol

And you keep paying those dues so the Mods won't kick you for trolling.

Well, it usually doesn't work that way, mortal888. Yeah, he was a bit rude, and DCM's get treated the same way as anyone else. But, since you're being antagonistic as well, I'm going to let it slide.

As an aside, you do know that you get two license keys with AB3, right?

Where can you get Army Builder for only $30?