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Thank you gentlemen, there's plenty more to come: allosaurus warwalkers, stegodon grav tanks, exodite dire avengers, etc. Just have to find the time to post.

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Lovin the cold one riders, they are such a cool model to convert

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awesome! those dino riders are very welldone!

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In the words of the King, "Thank you... thank-you-verr-much."

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The warlocks are made from Dark Elf Corsair cloak/chests, high elf spearmen legs and arms, and high elf mage and eldar heads. The runes were made by making press molds from the existing warlocks. Greenstuff is ingenious! The arms are magentized for weapon swaps between spears and swords and they'll have shuripistols or Destructor effects as well. The spears and swords will get a bit more work by adding a plastic bit and a snip of guitar wire to make them look more official. I'm going to give them the same scheme as the farseer: pale blue-white with turquoise and gold accents.









Love everything you've done, fantastic stuff! I also am doing an exodite themed Eldar army. I'd love to know what method you used for the rune armour on your warlocks once you did the press molds
Did you oil the mold and then simply fill it with green stuff and let it dry and cut and glue it onto the model? Or did you fill the mold and then press onto the dark elf torso for drying?

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Nice work....!

It'd be cool to see some larger tank/dinosaur conversions

maybe a fire prism?


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Tyrolean wrote:Love everything you've done, fantastic stuff! I also am doing an exodite themed Eldar army. I'd love to know what method you used for the rune armour on your warlocks once you did the press molds
Did you oil the mold and then simply fill it with green stuff and let it dry and cut and glue it onto the model? Or did you fill the mold and then press onto the dark elf torso for drying?


Thanks, I used both techniques for the rune armor actually. Some of the runes are a little more fiddly than others, so they required drying overnight. In all cases, I oiled the mold beforehand to allow the casting to slip out easier.

Budgie wrote:It'd be cool to see some larger tank/dinosaur conversions

maybe a fire prism?



That's the idea. I just got some of the Fire Prisms for my b-day, so the hope is to use them for conversions on stegadons.

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fire prisims eh? why not a few night spinners while you are at it? would be awesome to see one done

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TyraelVladinhurst wrote:fire prisims eh? why not a few night spinners while you are at it? would be awesome to see one done



I don't know why I didn't think of it first... but it makes perfect sense. I'm all about magnetizing my options, especially on vehicles, so it's likely that I'll have the "tanks" set up to do quadruple duty: Serpent/Falcon/Prism/Spinner. I'm just now getting enough of the actual eldar tanks to be able to field them - now I've got to get some steggies to convert!

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You don't see enough conversion eldar heavy armies on dakka, and I must say that your conversions are excellent and flavorful, with that right amount of silly but at the same times the right amount of sense.

And as a big mek I must say, on inspection there is plenty of dakka with the exiarch and wraithlord. But when you put that dakka on a dinosaur, the awesomeness factor is too much. Heads will explode.
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Dinos with big guns are cool, but how on earth are they going to be able to fly 36"?

 
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I'm just putting this out there now so you don't get upset later - I am totally stealing your wraithlord ideas. There, I said it. Sorry, but the Dark Reaper one is SO stolen.


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Da Big Mek wrote:You don't see enough conversion eldar heavy armies on dakka, and I must say that your conversions are excellent and flavorful, with that right amount of silly but at the same times the right amount of sense.

And as a big mek I must say, on inspection there is plenty of dakka with the exiarch and wraithlord. But when you put that dakka on a dinosaur, the awesomeness factor is too much. Heads will explode.


Thanks! I've tried to keep the army thematic, visually stimulating and dynamic, fluffy, and as fun as I can. It's been a learning experience putting it together over the last year and a half and you can see that in the blog comparing some of the early photos with newer ones. I think I turned a corner when I built the Autarch on Jetbike a.k.a. Exodite Dragon Lord, I had just joined a local 40k club and wanted to participate in their HQ arena event. While I could have put together the Avatar and reaped bloody victory, I decided to set the tone for my army and spent an insane 3 days assembling, painting, and basing the model. I didn't win overall, but I did win the painting prize unanimously.

As for dinos with guns and exploding heads, it's already happened. Just ask the Guard player I floored with my Seer Council last weekend.


Vitruvian XVII wrote:Dinos with big guns are cool, but how on earth are they going to be able to fly 36"?


Scale isn't a particularly reliable topic in regards to 40K, but I get asked that question all the time. My perspective is that Exodite Dragon "grav tanks", i.e. Stegadons with guns, are able to go wherever they want to go at a healthy 15-35mph (speculating a ceratop's speed ranges anywhere from 5-40mph based on various sources, though this is a decent breakdown) not tacking on any sci-fi "enhancements" that the Exodites are able to equip their dragons with. Skimmers ignore terrain unless they begin or end their turn in it and I imagine dinos would too for the most part.


Tek wrote:I'm just putting this out there now so you don't get upset later - I am totally stealing your wraithlord ideas. There, I said it. Sorry, but the Dark Reaper one is SO stolen.


No worries! I'd love to see someone else's take on this idea and I'm definitely not the first. A Striking Scorpion Wraithlord placed 3rd in the Baltimore Golden Demon last year I think, blowing away my own SSWL... I've got plans on doing a Wraithlord for each of the aspects, using the older metal lords for the conversions to maintain consistency. Each Aspect Lord would be posed to match the exarch of the appropriate aspect, as the lords are 'piloted' by the spirits of great heroes. The last eldar codex has a story about a fire dragon exarch wraithlord that served as inspiration. Converting the old metal wraithlord models is a labor of love though, one that's definitely going to task any modeller's skills. The plastic kit would make it much easier, but they are a little 'weedy' by comparison. When we ran a Dreadnought Arena, he dwarfed the plastic models and the marine dreads are a little taller than waist-high. BTW, Tek, when are we going to see more on your P&M Blog for Yme-Loc? I love the color scheme and choosing blue for your accent color was a perfect match to the gray and orange. I'm a big fan of the original metal guardians now long OOP and want to see your take on them. My batch are going to fill double duty as Eldar Pirates, filling in for Harlequins or Defender Guardians courtesy of the wonders of magnetization. Eldar Powerfist=Harlequins Kiss!

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Thats cool, i was just wondering if you had an explanation or not When you put like that though it does make sense!!


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i'd love to see your take on a scorpion for this army... would be interesting to see. also are you going to include eldar knight class titans?

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TyraelVladinhurst wrote:i'd love to see your take on a scorpion for this army... would be interesting to see. also are you going to include eldar knight class titans?


Ask and you shall receive... it's on the first page of the blog as well.



I've no rules for Knights - I thought they were an Imperium thing used to battle against the Exodites? If it's Apoc, I know there's rules for making your own units/vehicles, and if that's the case I'll use my wife's gigantic t-rex she nicknamed Wash. Cookie for whoever gets the reference first!

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Thank you! I'm painting up some objective counters atm - dino eggs in nests!

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knights are both imperial and eldar in origin. rules for them can be found on bell of lost souls lords of battle version 2. pretty much they are 350 points, are super heavy walkers with dreadnought close combat weapons, a scatter laser and a pulsar all for either 250 or 350 points can't exactly remember which at the moment

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Tek wrote:I'm just putting this out there now so you don't get upset later - I am totally stealing your wraithlord ideas. There, I said it. Sorry, but the Dark Reaper one is SO stolen.


No worries! I'd love to see someone else's take on this idea and I'm definitely not the first. A Striking Scorpion Wraithlord placed 3rd in the Baltimore Golden Demon last year I think, blowing away my own SSWL... I've got plans on doing a Wraithlord for each of the aspects, using the older metal lords for the conversions to maintain consistency. Each Aspect Lord would be posed to match the exarch of the appropriate aspect, as the lords are 'piloted' by the spirits of great heroes. The last eldar codex has a story about a fire dragon exarch wraithlord that served as inspiration. Converting the old metal wraithlord models is a labor of love though, one that's definitely going to task any modeller's skills. The plastic kit would make it much easier, but they are a little 'weedy' by comparison. When we ran a Dreadnought Arena, he dwarfed the plastic models and the marine dreads are a little taller than waist-high. BTW, Tek, when are we going to see more on your P&M Blog for Yme-Loc? I love the color scheme and choosing blue for your accent color was a perfect match to the gray and orange. I'm a big fan of the original metal guardians now long OOP and want to see your take on them. My batch are going to fill double duty as Eldar Pirates, filling in for Harlequins or Defender Guardians courtesy of the wonders of magnetization. Eldar Powerfist=Harlequins Kiss!


Oh I really want some of those old Eldar sprues. The old Eldar PFs are sooo coool!!
Thanks for the interest in the blog - looking back at it I'm slightly ashamed of some of the painting on those early models. The good news is I've been working on my long-abandoned Eldar again! After joining a new gaming group, there's already a Guard player there so I'll be returning to my first love of the Space Elves and making good use of some of the Spearhead rules to boot. I intend to update the blog really soon, as I've been a bit of a busy bee - working on my FDs at the moment, and desperately trying to do Jes' sculpts justice! I love the idea of Aspect WLs, and was thinking about the compatabiliy with my current WL - do I remodel/paint him, or add a new one? A FD WL is the most inspirational really, as it works with my army's theme... I did a Google on Aspect Wraithlords, and there's at least one of every aspect. Although 4-armed spider-lords are thin on the ground. Can't wait to see more of your work dude. Keep it up!

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TyraelVladinhurst wrote:knights are both imperial and eldar in origin. rules for them can be found on bell of lost souls lords of battle version 2. pretty much they are 350 points, are super heavy walkers with dreadnought close combat weapons, a scatter laser and a pulsar all for either 250 or 350 points can't exactly remember which at the moment


I sold off the original Space Marine (Epic before it was Epic...) set this weekend and when I did an inventory, I read over the rulebook, which had a little blurb on the Knights. You are correct about Knights being both Eldar and Imperial - and specifically Exodite in origin! That totally validates the fluffiness of having one and it doesn't even need to be a dino! Thanks, now I've got a new project.

Tek wrote:I did a Google on Aspect Wraithlords, and there's at least one of every aspect. Although 4-armed spider-lords are thin on the ground. Can't wait to see more of your work dude. Keep it up!


Check the Eldar show-off thread - Blackmoor's got a Hawk Wraithlord!

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Come on now Gav - where's these Wraithguard?!

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Any chance of a stegadon conversion, like mabye a fire prism or something? The rest of the work is really great and it looks like it would work and everything works together

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@Tek: I've been using both, as well as Milliput for most of my recent conversions. I picked up a strip of GS from the FLGS, only to find that it's old stuff - not mixing up smoothly, leaving lumps, etc. My brown stuff that I bought over a year ago is holding up fine though, and I used it to smooth the join and bulk up the Wraithguard head I finished converting. I like Brownstuff because it's not as sticky, is firmer, and a little more forgiving than GS. Mulliput is great for basic gap filling (like the ribs on the necron torso) and is rock hard once it dries so it's a great foundation for the other putties. Sometimes you just gotta use GS though, since it holds detail much better than the others and is much more sculptable.

Unfortunately, I'll not be using the head I've puttied for the first conversion, as much as I'd like to, but instead using it as a master to make a casting of. Hopefully the wife will approve the purchase of some high quality resin so I can get to casting decent copies. If so, I'll post pics of the results and some shots of the items we discussed via PM, Tek.

As far as the Wraithguard conversions, I managed to duplicate some of the conversion I found on Morathi's blog, but I'm taking my time and trying different variations on the weapons using the necron gauss flayers and guardian shuricats. Still not decided though. Once I manage to get 2 squads of 10 converted, I'll run them with my aspect warrior wraithlords as a pseudo-Iyanden army.

@Logan: That's the plan, but steggies are pricey models and I'm a cheap bastich. As I mentioned just now, I'm converting some Necron Warriors into Wraithguard since I can't stand the idea of spending $100-150 on a single troops choice. I recently got hold of some resale stock, so once they turn a profit, I'll invest in the only stegadon left in the FLGS's. Then we'll see some real Exodite action. Anyone interested in a NOS Falcon or three?

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Sweet dude. I'm gonna try picking some up - GS's stickiness really gets to me. Perhaps I'll have a go with some Milliput - that stuff's pretty cheap.

Any chance of a pic of the converted WG head before you cast it? Or is that a trade secret?

Can't wait man - I'm going to try and convince the Mrs to let me borrow her camera this weekend to photo some of my own progress.

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I finished sanding it down (another perk for brownstuff) it last night so I'll do my level best to get pics up on Sunday. I used the same Shuricannon bit that you were talking about - great minds thinking alike and all - along with the tail end of an EML from the grav tank sprue, the kind with the socket. I'll tell you this, that single EML got cannibalized for parts, loads of goodies on it. with a little bit of putty to bulk up the edges and cover the seam, it looks just like the head of the single wraithguard model that I own.

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Okay, here at Tek's request is my WIP pics of the Wraithguard conversion introduced to me by Mal and originally done by Morathi on Warseer. Quite a journey for this concept but I hope to do it justice. I think these guys will go great with my aspect warrior Wraithlords. Please remember that these are strictly work in progress, blue-stuffed for the pics and definitely in need of further modelling. Also, please excuse the background noise on the light box, just a few brown stuff smudges on the paper I used.






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Veeeerry interesting Gavin. I absolutely must get mine photographed. The similarities are uncanny. I even snipped the toes on mine too.

The head is interesting man - mine are too small I think. I like your work on the Wraithcannon - I myself cannabalised the 'holey' EML - 'tabbed' EMLs are worth their weight in gold as they end up on WLs and WWs.

Great work man, great work indeed.

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