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What the crap is this with the 75 cents business? Seeing that is actually more annoying to me over charging 25 cents more/less.

Stupid non-dollar/half-dollar prices.

The $0.75 / $0.25 is in preparation for a future price adjustment to bring things back to whole dollars.

Guess which way the prices will round?

And if they round up, do you think they will round to the nearest dollar, or more?

Woohoo Battlewagon upgrade sprew. * Doing the happy dance *

Looking at the actual spreadsheet sent out to accounts, there are 250 price increases out of the 900+ codes. Of which 84 are under 10% (the vast majority of these being 3%). Of the 166 codes that were raised above 10%, 75 were raised 10% and 55 were under 16%. The only codes raise 25% are the starter sets, which besides Mines of Moria are still a great value at $75.

is this supposed to be good news? So 25% or so of the GW product line had a price increase, are we supposed to smile and say "well thats great could have been 50%". My issue are the items that had already been raised in September, some of them are now 50% more expensive then they were in September. also as other have mentioned some of the prices are unfortunate, and frankly perplexing. $75 is a mistake, simple as that...

sonofruss wrote:Woohoo Battlewagon upgrade sprew. * Doing the happy dance *

Good catch!

That's the sprue with the death-roller, kill-kannon and... other stuff?

Right?

If this is accurate, they didn't jack Gondor up too high so I will complete that army. Everything else is coming off ebay or other 2nd hand sources.

Just noticed that the Terminator boxes are absent from this list, but are present on the UK price list - are the US prices staying the same for these items?

LOL @ GW

Companies that cut their ad/marketing/promotional budgets and then raise prices during a worldwide recession are flirting with extinction. I enjoy GW games and models, but i refuse to allow them to rob me of my hobby anymore. If you're still buying their stuff, God bless you.

<Patiently waits for the apologists/fanboys who tell you this price increase has to do with metal/oil/some-other-BS reason>

There is a limit to how much I'm prepared to pay. GW just priced themselves out of my market. Since they're now introducing their sliding scale thing, I won't even be able to afford the online prices most likely. I think GW just hit the point where I no longer can afford them.
Looks like I'm sticking to Ebay and what I already have from now on for 40K.

Anyone know other good wargames(apart from warmachine) that have a decent size playerbase, decent fluff and figures, and don't cost you your soul's weight in gold to play?

Ketara wrote:There is a limit to how much I'm prepared to pay. GW just priced themselves out of my market. Since they're now introducing their sliding scale thing, I won't even be able to afford the online prices most likely. I think GW just hit the point where I no longer can afford them.
Looks like I'm sticking to Ebay and what I already have from now on for 40K.

Anyone know other good wargames(apart from warmachine) that have a decent size playerbase, decent fluff and figures, and don't cost you your soul's weight in gold to play?

AT-43 ( on sale atm too )

Econ wise there is no excuse for these price increases. Cost of materials has plumeted and not just in the metal markets. 6 years ago when I first saw GW models I could not beleive how much this company wanted for an ugly tank when more realistic tanks were half that price. THen I realized this was a game kinda got into it and bit the bullet on the models. Since then the cost of these models has over doubled on most items. To play GW games you almost need to become elitist as the cost of the models has soared well beyond the means of their target market...especially in this economy. This is nothing short of short sited greed driving up prices. Fewer people are buying our stuff so lets jack up prices to maintain our income and decrease our supply=a failed company up for sale soon.

Alpharius wrote:

sonofruss wrote:Woohoo Battlewagon upgrade sprew. * Doing the happy dance *

Good catch!

That's the sprue with the death-roller, kill-kannon and... other stuff?

Right?

Yup big guns and squishy infantry hehe

Instead of bitching about it on a forum, why don't we write to GW and tell them what they're doing wrong? I'm sure if we got every 12-year-old to write in, they'd lower the prices.

Actually, I've been noodling this, and it's entirely possible that GW HQ is hanging GW US out to dry.

That is, GW HQ (UK) knows that GW US is under forex pressure due to the low pound. GW UK knows from FW sales that US is taking advantage of the "discount". Especially when GW UK pulls the numbers on Maelstrom and similar discounters. And GW US knows that their sales are heavily depressed as a result. So, by raising US and UK, they stimulate short-term US and UK demand, knowing that it will be filled in the UK, driving UK profits.

I'd almost bet GW HQ is doing this to further put the screws to the US head of operations for some internal reason. I can't guess why, though...

Is there a Obama-like effort in the UK to extra-tax off-shore profits?

Wait, I'm confused... does this mean Oz isn't going to be smacked as hard?

Ketara wrote:
Anyone know other good wargames(apart from warmachine) that have a decent size playerbase, decent fluff and figures, and don't cost you your soul's weight in gold to play?

Battletech! $40 is all you HAVE to pay to play. That's an Intro Box with rules, universe guide, and 24 plastic 'Mechs.

Good lord companys are idiots period
when you lower prices you acutually get more
p.s. i cant find regular bike boxes how much
also i was talking to my store aprently all models they have will stay the same price just the ones coming in will be more expensive
edit: it look like not a whole lot really
looks just like the amount you would normally pay for taxes

If you can't find an item on the price change list then the price is not changing. Therefore, the price shown for that item on the GW web store now will still be valid after June 1.

ha sucker its not going affect my army really
my force depends on bikes

JohnHwangDD wrote:Actually, I've been noodling this, and it's entirely possible that GW HQ is hanging GW US out to dry.

That is, GW HQ (UK) knows that GW US is under forex pressure due to the low pound. GW UK knows from FW sales that US is taking advantage of the "discount". Especially when GW UK pulls the numbers on Maelstrom and similar discounters. And GW US knows that their sales are heavily depressed as a result. So, by raising US and UK, they stimulate short-term US and UK demand, knowing that it will be filled in the UK, driving UK profits.

I'd almost bet GW HQ is doing this to further put the screws to the US head of operations for some internal reason. I can't guess why, though...

Is there a Obama-like effort in the UK to extra-tax off-shore profits?

To answer your last question there... yes!

The economy in the UK is even worse off than ours here in the US (for right now). The current spending off the UK government far exceeds that of it's income and as a result the populous gets taxed heavily. The current prime minister of the UK, Gordon Brown is trying to spend their way out of recession, and borrow their way out of debt. This is obviously illogical, but sound familiar? Yes, Obama is trying to do the same thing and eventually all of these problems will be on our front door step ten fold. Anyway... as a result of Browns spending and taxing, it has squeezed the productive, private sector of the country to a point where businesses can not stay in business. With the country being in negative equity and not producing many traded goods it devalues the GBP (British Pound) and exacerbates the issue.

These price hikes as I see it are a result of all this. GW as a whole is being screwed and is only taking the necessary steps to stay in business. It's not 'greed', everyone, with even the tiniest business sense knows that you can't set your prices too high or you'll price yourself out of the market. If you know it, then I guarantee GW knows it. While I hate price hikes as much as the next person I think we all need to do a little less complaining and support GW as best we can. If we do not, then the price hikes will only get worse, product offering will become slim and GW will fade away.

Basically, $1 US is worth less to them now.. used to be 2:1 now its 1.5:1 (USD:GBP). However, what I see this doing, unless FLGS can price under MSRP, is hurt their local store sales, but increase the amount of people looking online and ordering from some of the places that offer the 25-30% discounts. It was already a better deal, since some offer free or low cost shipping, but now its even more appealing.

EDIT: Acutally, ignore that first sentence, I thought about it and we are getting screwed big time. That 1.5:1 conversion, vs. 2:1 conversion actually works in their favor, meaning it only takes 1.5 USD to earn them 1 GBP, where it used to take 2 USD to earn 1 GBP. So now that I think about it they are really pulling the wool over us.

My thinking could be off, since I didn't think too much about this.. but if true...

... insert Planet of the Apes end quote here ...

EDIT2: I also did some basic conversion math for some of the new overseas prices vs US prices, and if you can find vendors that cover the shipping you'll find that many of their retail prices are less then our retail prices after conversion. For example, the Ork Kommandos would cost you $30 USD buying for UK after price increase which is equal to the US price BEFORE the price increase.

AbsoluteBlue wrote:EDIT: Acutally, ignore that first sentence, I thought about it and we are getting screwed big time. That 1.5:1 conversion, vs. 2:1 conversion actually works in their favor, meaning it only takes 1.5 USD to earn them 1 GBP, where it used to take 2 USD to earn 1 GBP. So now that I think about it they are really pulling the wool over us.

My thinking could be off, since I didn't think too much about this.

You're thinking about it backwards actually.

Think about it like this... GW sets their pricing in GBP so lets take the AoBR box set that used to cost (30 GBP). At a 2:1 trade GW was getting (60 USD) for that box. Now that the exchange has dropped to 1.5:1 that (30 GBP) box will now only yield them (45 USD). To correct this drop in exchange rates GW raises the price to (50 GBP) which will now yield them (75 USD). So what we actually see is a (15 USD) price increase but they're seeing (20 GBP) increase which would actually be like if we had a (30 USD) price increase here. So it's not a matter of them screwing the US, the UK is actually getting shafted even more than us.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The $0.75 / $0.25 is in preparation for a future price adjustment to bring things back to whole dollars.
Guess which way the prices will round?
And if they round up, do you think they will round to the nearest dollar, or more?

That was exactly my thought. Two years from now (if we're lucky) some one at GW will say: "Hmm landraider, $57.75, looks like that price is odd, better make it an even $65... wait with the price brackets we're bringing back it will have to be $70." I don't think I can really keep up with GW's prices. I budget ahead for my GW purchases and the money I had planned for the next year and a half are already getting folded into my current projects because of these price bumps.

the record industry kept raising prices on music to unsustainable levels. Then people just started to steal the music. listen closely you can hear a spincaster firing up in the distance.

oni wrote:
Think about it like this... GW sets their pricing in GBP so lets take the AoBR box set that used to cost (30 GBP). At a 2:1 trade GW was getting (60 USD) for that box. Now that the exchange has dropped to 1.5:1 that (30 GBP) box will now only yield them (45 USD). To correct this drop in exchange rates GW raises the price to (50 GBP) which will now yield them (75 USD). So what we actually see is a (15 USD) price increase but they're seeing (20 GBP) increase which would actually be like if we had a (30 USD) price increase here. So it's not a matter of them screwing the US, the UK is actually getting shafted even more than us.

Hmm, I'll have to think about it more.. but my initial thought is that the 45 USD is worth more than it used to be, after conversion, so they wouldn't be losing anything. Again, far outside my area of expertise, but usually a weakening of a currency benefits exports and hurts imports, and this is a situation where they are exporting goods. My argument is really weak at this point so its probably more a feeling than a fact.. but I am not yet convinced that the US market is not getting the short end of the stick

AbsoluteBlue wrote:

oni wrote:
Think about it like this... GW sets their pricing in GBP so lets take the AoBR box set that used to cost (30 GBP). At a 2:1 trade GW was getting (60 USD) for that box. Now that the exchange has dropped to 1.5:1 that (30 GBP) box will now only yield them (45 USD). To correct this drop in exchange rates GW raises the price to (50 GBP) which will now yield them (75 USD). So what we actually see is a (15 USD) price increase but they're seeing (20 GBP) increase which would actually be like if we had a (30 USD) price increase here. So it's not a matter of them screwing the US, the UK is actually getting shafted even more than us.

Hmm, I'll have to think about it more.. but my initial thought is that the 45 USD is worth more than it used to be, after conversion, so they wouldn't be losing anything. Again, far outside my area of expertise, but usually a weakening of a currency benefits exports and hurts imports, and this is a situation where they are exporting goods. My argument is really weak at this point so its probably more a feeling than a fact.. but I am not yet convinced that the US market is not getting the short end of the stick

While the GBP has devalued, it is still worth more that the USD. Yes, at the current exchange rate the USD can buy more goods from the UK, but at the same time this mean that GW isn't taking in as much profit as it was when the exchange rate was 2:1. So they're increasing pricing to compensate for the simple fact that they're shipping out more stuff (as people take advantage of the lower exchange), but taking in less foreign money.

edit - I should mention that my ramblings are purely speculation. I don't actually know why GW raised their prices, but this seems the most logical reason.

ROFLMAO.

The Assault on Black Reach set will go from $60->$75 (25%). That's pricey for an introductory boxset, especially considering that it now costs more than a new console PS3/Xbox360 game. Exactly who is their target demographic again?

My favorite is that the Terminator Librarian will be basically $20 now. And to think we used to get a handful of those from the Deathwing Space Hulk expansion.

oni wrote:

AbsoluteBlue wrote:EDIT: Acutally, ignore that first sentence, I thought about it and we are getting screwed big time. That 1.5:1 conversion, vs. 2:1 conversion actually works in their favor, meaning it only takes 1.5 USD to earn them 1 GBP, where it used to take 2 USD to earn 1 GBP. So now that I think about it they are really pulling the wool over us.

My thinking could be off, since I didn't think too much about this.

You're thinking about it backwards actually.

Think about it like this... GW sets their pricing in GBP so lets take the AoBR box set that used to cost (30 GBP). At a 2:1 trade GW was getting (60 USD) for that box. Now that the exchange has dropped to 1.5:1 that (30 GBP) box will now only yield them (45 USD). To correct this drop in exchange rates GW raises the price to (50 GBP) which will now yield them (75 USD). So what we actually see is a (15 USD) price increase but they're seeing (20 GBP) increase which would actually be like if we had a (30 USD) price increase here. So it's not a matter of them screwing the US, the UK is actually getting shafted even more than us.

First, I think Oni must work for GW or own stock in the company. The comment that we should all " help GW out" is completely offensive to me.

Second, we are ALL getting screwed, US and UK alike. When the exchange rate was 2-1, 60 USD brought GW 30 GBP. The current exchange rate is 1.5648 USD = 1 GBP, which means that 60 USD now brings GW 38.75 GBP. In other words, they can charge fewer USD to make the same GBP.

Most economists agree that based on the numbers from production and transportation industries, the economy likely bottomed out in March and will begin improving throughout the rest of the year. The GBP - USD conversion rate follows this trend as well, bottoming out at 1.41 in March and increasing continuously up to today at 1.56. This means the the rate will likely end the year around the 3 year average of 1.85. That is bad news for the US. Please raise your hand if you remember a time when GW sold anything in the US at a lower percentage than the UK? In order to make the same percentage, we will likely see another price increase later in the year. Those of you laughing might not remember that they have done it before, so two GW price increases in a single fiscal year is not without precedent.

While the conversion rate does hurt GW when purchasing raw materials in dollars, the huge drop in the over all cost of those materials far out weighs the loss in buying power.

This is what it is, GW leadership and stockholders screaming "MORE MONEY" Any one that thinks GW is in business to make a good game at reasonable prices to make a fair profit is naive at best. Anyone that thinks we should take pity on poor GW and hand over our cash for outdated and underdesigned models at outrageous prices with big fat smiles on our faces, well ..... I can't say those words here.

Oxfordseth wrote:

Not sure how a 10% - %25 increase is minor......3-5% is minor. Im sorry for the new people who have to pay $75 for a starter box.

Looking at the actual spreadsheet sent out to accounts, there are 250 price increases out of the 900+ codes. Of which 84 are under 10% (the vast majority of these being 3%). Of the 166 codes that were raised above 10%, 75 were raised 10% and 55 were under 16%. The only codes raise 25% are the starter sets, which besides Mines of Moria are still a great value at $75.

Actually they really aren't a great value. Especially if you consider the terrible quality of the models. I don't mind the dreadnought or the terminators, even though their options are so limited. But the marines in the set look absolutely horrible, especially next to real marine models.

taebeck wrote:The comment that we should all " help GW out" is completely offensive to me.

I can't agree more good sir.