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kinghammer wrote:

JohnHwang

He has talked to their legal department many times.
Cheers

Again, if this is true, why is there nothing whatsoever to support that fact on their website? Some proof would support your arguments nicely. It'd also make your post look less like you just wanted an excuse to insult JohnHwangDD and more like you actually had something to contribute.


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kinghammer wrote:I wonder if the IRS would like to here about Foam Corps.

Cheers

Why not do something about it and report them then?

Dude, he does not have to.. The customers tell what they want cut. One more time for you, the customers tell him they want Blood Angels, Black templar, etc. cut into the foam. I know it is cold up there and you might get some brain freeze, but he has talked to the legal department many times and there has never been an issue.

Why would I do that when BF's lawyers can take care of it.

Cheers

kinghammer wrote: I know it is cold up there and you might get some brain freeze,

Aww, thanks for insulting me while not making any point whatsoever

Why would I do that when BF's lawyers can take care of it.

Cheers

I dunno, just kinda hoped that your contributing absolutely nothing was limited to the internet and that it wasn't an aspect of your real life as well. Must be my endless Canadian optimism.

Bunker wrote:

kinghammer wrote: I know it is cold up there and you might get some brain freeze,

Aww, thanks for insulting me while not making any point whatsoever

Why would I do that when BF's lawyers can take care of it.

Cheers

I dunno, just kinda hoped that your contributing absolutely nothing was limited to the internet and that it wasn't an aspect of your real life as well.

How nice it must be to be the most well informed person in the hobby if not the world.

Cato Sicarius wrote:

Bunker wrote:

kinghammer wrote: I know it is cold up there and you might get some brain freeze,

Aww, thanks for insulting me while not making any point whatsoever

Why would I do that when BF's lawyers can take care of it.

Cheers

I dunno, just kinda hoped that your contributing absolutely nothing was limited to the internet and that it wasn't an aspect of your real life as well.

How nice it must be to be the most well informed person in the hobby if not the world.

Since this thread is probably gonna be locked soon, I may as well say it now:

Romeo, you're being FAR too obvious. Stop making your company look even worse than your initial post on BoardGameGeek did and just let it go. Or at least start posting on your real account. Just because someone is selling a similar product at half the price doesn't give you the right to start swinging for the fences (see what I did there?) and making every kind of threat and insinuation you can come up with to try and make them stop. You have 2 options in this situation:

1) Adapt
2) Get outsold

Obviously any legal action you have tried has fallen on its face, or else the guys from Foam Corps wouldn't be posting here about their product to begin with. You can either start acting like a real businessman, pull your socks up and figure out a way to make people buy your product over your competitor's, or you can continue throwing an e-tantrum and hope that people think that because you can yell the loudest, and threaten the most, you must be right and therefore entitled to 100% of the miniature-wargaming foam transportation industry's market share.

Bunker = uninformed
Kinghammer = informed (I know Romeo)

THE POINT: Customers ask him what to cut(just like a tattoo artist). He is not liable. It is right there for you, eh.

Cheers

Sweet, sweet drama. 'Ard Boyz let me down but at least we have this =')

I'm not Romeo, wrong again. What does that make now? 0-3 or 0-4

Cheers



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Neconilis wrote:Sweet, sweet drama. 'Ard Boyz let me down but at least we have this =')

This is awesome..I hope you guys are having as much fun as Iam!

Cheers

Bunker wrote:

Cato Sicarius wrote:

Bunker wrote:

kinghammer wrote: I know it is cold up there and you might get some brain freeze,

Aww, thanks for insulting me while not making any point whatsoever

Why would I do that when BF's lawyers can take care of it.

Cheers

I dunno, just kinda hoped that your contributing absolutely nothing was limited to the internet and that it wasn't an aspect of your real life as well.

How nice it must be to be the most well informed person in the hobby if not the world.

Since this thread is probably gonna be locked soon, I may as well say it now:

Romeo, you're being FAR too obvious. Stop making your company look even worse than your initial post on BoardGameGeek did and just let it go. Or at least start posting on your real account.

sorry to inform you I am surely not Romeo.....not even close. But I have watched all of this stuff develop in front of me. I have worked for GW in the LA area. I am sure you will talk trash on me for that. Guess you are not right on everything.....oops

kinghammer wrote:I'm not Romeo, wrong again. What does that make now? 0-3 or 0-4

Cheers



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Neconilis wrote:Sweet, sweet drama. 'Ard Boyz let me down but at least we have this =')

This is awesome..I hope you guys are having as much fun as Iam!

Cheers

I think we are my good man, I think we are.

Uh oh, did someone mention tattoos? Fun time for Bunker.

A tattoo artist cannot, BY LAW, reproduce ANY copyrighted image. There are very famous tattoo artists who have been sued (successfully) by Disney for something as simple as a Donald Duck or Goofy tattoo.

Just because they choose to do it, doesn't make it any less illegal.

Care to try again? Maybe using a correct analogy this time?

**EDIT** I;m still waiting for that proof you both supposedly have that Romeo has GW's permission to reproduce their copyrighted images and that he isn't explicitly breaking the rules that they set forth on their website for uses of said IP.

tl;dr: stop making nothing but insults and provide some proof other than "just trust me, I know"

This is rather intense... Ive been following this thread for like 15 minutes and its ammusing however its a bit off topic... Id like to see whos actually right tho

Hello everyone,

Let me first start off by saying that I have been coming to this forum for some time now. I know most of you guys by your avatars and I completely know who the originator of this post is. He is a local gamer and a close friend of the person named Bryan Wade.

Bryan Wade is a bootleg artest. His foam corps mark and his products are a complete and total copy of Battle Foam products and designs. I personally have talked to GW Legal, PP Legal, and Flames Of War Legal. All of these companies are well aware of our actions and our patents. All 3 of these companies allow us to do what we do because we asked permission and contacted the correct people to set ground rules on what we could post and not post.

As you can see we at Battle Foam give credit to the people that earned that credit. We respect the wishes of GW, PP, and FOW.

The person that started this post was put up to it by Bryan Wade. Mr Bryan Wade is one of the lowest snakes in the hobby. He is a process server by day and a bootleg artest by night. The technology that we use at Battle Foam is Patent Pending. Our designs are Copyright Battle Foam. Our foam type and bags are trade mark protected and very closely guarded by our legal department.

Mr Bryan Wade actually had the nerve to personally buy my product and attempt to reverse engineer the technology. He failed at his attempts to produce a quality product and this showed by the local gamers rejecting his bootleg foam.

Mr Bryan Wade is a hard headed fool. He has been served for copyright, patent, and trademark infringement. He has spoken to my lawyer and has agreed to cease all production of his bootleg foam.

He has 30 days to respond to the latest letter or he will be sued.

Now before we get into a huge legal conversation about nothing let me break down the basics.

The original poster of this thread is one of Bryan Wades friends. He was surely put up to this as an attempt to get attention for Bryan Wade. The person has no clue about law, patent or trade mark infringement or any other topic for that matter.

He is simply a pawn.

The trays you see posted had been made for him 6 months ago at his request by us at Battle Foam. He is simply starting trouble to cause havoc.

As for Mr Wades part in all of this. Well, 2 legal letters and one direct call to him personally from our legal department and it should be clear that his time has come.

I am not hear to be a bully. I created Battle Foam for you guys. I worked my a$$ off for over 2 years in perfecting the technology to cut the foam and do it right. That is what our Patent is for. Our cutting machines are nothing new, and foam has been around for years. What has not been around is the ability to cut 1 to 10" depths with that equipment and do it without setting anything on fire. Also words, text, and artwork is also something I personally designed with the equipment.

Patent Pending is what all companies do when a new idea comes to market. All patent applications take several years to fully post. That does not mean that our company is not protected and that any Tom Dick and Wade can just steal your whole concept and idea and rip you off. Patents once published are effective from the time they got filed. That is October of 2008 for us.

I could understand if Wade came up with any part of the process. Maybe if he made the product better or had an original idea in his head. Fact is that he did not. He is a rip off artist that is looking to make a quick buck off all of us honest gamers.

At Battle Foam we guarantee our products, we quality check each bag and foam, and we deliver on all promises. All this person has done is create a cheaper product with zero support and even less quality.

You guys know me as a gamer. I play at least ones per week and I try and treat each one of my customers as if they are my friends. I bend over backwards for product support at tournaments and I always go the extra mile to make everyone happy.

Take it from me that this poster and Mr Bryan Wade are bad people. People that do nothing for the hobby but try to profit. They will steal cheat and overall lie their a$$es off to get one over on you.

Be smart gamers and smart shoppers. Use your heads and do the research. Call me personally if you would like to talk. Its just sad that these kind of people are around in this world.

My personal phone number if any of you would like real answers.

480-747-4114

Romeo
Battle Foam

Sgt Diablo wrote:
I am not hear to be a bully.

That's actually precisely what you're doing by posting what you just posted. Kinda like your rant on BoardGameGeek and your letter about the whole bat fiasco

*Sigh*...

So, we've reached that point of YET ANOTHER thread.

DO NOT MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS OF ANY KIND.

Debate the points - please!

STOP insults, thinly veiled or otherwise.

The suspensions that will be handed out from this point on will not be light.

shouldnt this "other foam" source have a website?

I find any business without one to be quite shady... even the LGS I frequent has a site for its users.

How is he being a bully? He is clearing his name (or trying to) and trying to explain things.

Well we have gotten a reply from Romeo. I hope that helps Bunker.

If you have any questions please call Romeo. He can help you out if you have anymore questions...

Cheers

kinghammer wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Cato Sicarius wrote:Here is a thought maybe he did call and talk to GW legal department! You are so well informed it is shocking............

You know, based on your comment, I decided to send an e-mail in to GW Legal, which I then properly forwarded to "infringement@games-workshop.co.uk".

I wonder what GW will say.

JohnHwang

He has talked to their legal department many times. He cuts what the customer asks for.

I glad to see that you are defending GW with such vigor, most of the time you bash them.

I have seen you post for years now on either Dakka or Pacific Marauders forum and you never bring anything to the table. You talk big on the internet when I know who you are in real life and thats why I always laugh when you post..

Cheers

According to GW's IP rules, if he complies, he cannot cut a GW logo or design for the same reason that GW can't endorse tattoos - because they're done by a 3rd party for commercial gain.

I'm not defending GW at all, nor do I bash them.

I have no idea what you're talking about. But if we've met IRL, oh, well, I can't say that you've made any impression on me whatsoever. That's OK, life goes on. However, you're free to share your RL name so I can figure out if we've really met or not.

I had Battlefoam make me a custom cut tray for my GW hobby case. When I got it there was not a slot for my hobby saw. Rather than have me send it back I got a whole new tray with room for the hobby saw plus I got extra slots for my spray gun and paints. With Battlefoam you get what you pay for...and you get good customer service.

Sgt Diablo wrote:Also words, text, and artwork is also something I personally designed with the equipment.

You're telling me that the Blood Angels winged teardrop artwork is something that you personally designed?

That's BS, and you know it.

That is a Copyrighted GW design that you knowingly infringed for commercial gain.

The ability to cut it into the foam JohnHwantDD, not the actual art and words. There is a technology to cutting into very flammable foam. That is what our patent is for.

Romeo
Battle Foam

I do not work for foam corps I help him and he gives me free foam to help him build or ship or whatever not once have I been paid and i have also bought a few as well

if romeo wants help i'd do the same I'm not making any money off any of this

I did a comparason because I saw the other posts about it

I dont really care for either of these people more then people i work with and want the product they make
romeo's more so i want the engraved stuff its an amazing product but i can't afford it

I have nothing agaist you kyle or romeo and not you rik

honestly i dont think Foam corps is a treat to you romeo and i don't understand your hostility your company is growing by the minute
I have helped brain and he doesn't do in a month what you do in a week

also I'm smarter then that if I would have wanted to be shady i wouldnt have used blood angels of all things

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Sgt Diablo wrote:Also words, text, and artwork is also something I personally designed with the equipment.

You're telling me that the Blood Angels winged teardrop artwork is something that you personally designed?

That's BS, and you know it.

That is a Copyrighted GW design that you knowingly infringed for commercial gain.

Once again you are commenting when you are not fully aware of the situation. Do you really disbelieve that he has contacted GW legal? Or that you are more informed than he is?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Sgt Diablo wrote:Also words, text, and artwork is also something I personally designed with the equipment.

You're telling me that the Blood Angels winged teardrop artwork is something that you personally designed?

That's BS, and you know it.

That is a Copyrighted GW design that you knowingly infringed for commercial gain.

I think he means the ability to put these things on your foam... and weve already been through it that he got permission to put it on there... not to mention that someone asked for the Blood Angels winged teardrop on their case? yeah... smooth...

Buttlerthepug wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Sgt Diablo wrote:Also words, text, and artwork is also something I personally designed with the equipment.

You're telling me that the Blood Angels winged teardrop artwork is something that you personally designed?

That's BS, and you know it.

That is a Copyrighted GW design that you knowingly infringed for commercial gain.

he got permission to put it on there...

not to mention that someone asked for the Blood Angels winged teardrop on their case?

OK, show me where he got permission from GW.

I can ask you to murder someone. If you do so, it's still breaking the law.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Buttlerthepug wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Sgt Diablo wrote:Also words, text, and artwork is also something I personally designed with the equipment.

You're telling me that the Blood Angels winged teardrop artwork is something that you personally designed?

That's BS, and you know it.

That is a Copyrighted GW design that you knowingly infringed for commercial gain.

he got permission to put it on there...

not to mention that someone asked for the Blood Angels winged teardrop on their case?

OK, show me where he got permission from GW.

I can ask you to murder someone. If you do so, it's still breaking the law.

Show me that he did not get permission.....

A couple of questions to anyone who is in the "know".

Point 1 if it is the process that is patented and this process uses cutting lasers,[ and he is being accused of breaking a patent] then this foam corps fellow went and spent 6-7k just to copy BF?

Point 2 if he did not use a laser (his cuts do not look clean) and the process patented uses a laser then how is he in violation of going against a patent?

point 3 if foam corp purchased a foam tray to try to "reverse engineer" the tech. Then that means he produced this foam without inside info on the patented process? So he figured out from one tray what it took 2 years to perfect?

I am sorry, but from what I have seen so far this does not make sense. This guys foam does not have the quality that BF so how is it bootleg. If he was using the same patented process then wouldnt his product be the same quality? If BF knows that this guy is not using their proces then taking legal action against foam corp just looks like they are trying to bully a competitor out of business. I hope no one takes any of the above as an attack, but there is just alot of info flying around that does not make logical sense. Hope you folks can clear it up.

Cato Sicarius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Buttlerthepug wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Sgt Diablo wrote:Also words, text, and artwork is also something I personally designed with the equipment.

You're telling me that the Blood Angels winged teardrop artwork is something that you personally designed?

That's BS, and you know it.

That is a Copyrighted GW design that you knowingly infringed for commercial gain.

he got permission to put it on there...

not to mention that someone asked for the Blood Angels winged teardrop on their case?

OK, show me where he got permission from GW.

I can ask you to murder someone. If you do so, it's still breaking the law.

Show me that he did not get permission.....

Nice Creationist-style reply.

Too bad I don't actually have to prove anything. You see, according to GW Legal (and American Copyright law), without explicit permission or license, using their logos is an actual IP violation.

OTOH, to be a legit business, BattleFoam *musy* be able to demonstrate that their use is non-infringing, and to date, Romeo has ducked this point at least 3 times. It's almost like he's got something to hide...

neiltj1 wrote:A couple of questions to anyone who is in the "know".

Point 1 if it is the process that is patented and this process uses cutting lasers,[ and he is being accused of breaking a patent] then this foam corps fellow went and spent 6-7k just to copy BF?

Point 2 if he did not use a laser (his cuts do not look clean) and the process patented uses a laser then how is he in violation of going against a patent?

point 3 if foam corp purchased a foam tray to try to "reverse engineer" the tech. Then that means he produced this foam without inside info on the patented process? So he figured out from one tray what it took 2 years to perfect?

I am sorry, but from what I have seen so far this does not make sense. This guys foam does not have the quality that BF so how is it bootleg. If he was using the same patented process then wouldnt his product be the same quality? If BF knows that this guy is not using their proces then taking legal action against foam corp just looks like they are trying to bully a competitor out of business. I hope no one takes any of the above as an attack, but there is just alot of info flying around that does not make logical sense. Hope you folks can clear it up.

Sorry from a outsider view that is business savvy be honest it does look like a ploy or just guerrilla marketing to give Romeo a bad name which he doesn't deserve. Everything screams shady about this foam corps and this whole thing and I am surprised people can't see that.

Romeo isn't doing any type of bullying or anything like that he is defending himself which he has every right to.

and John stop throwing fuel on the fire and going into the whole debate about patents this patents that .... it gets no where and demanding for proof or anything like that is silly as it will never come up or surface even if he has 20,000 patents labeled up.