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I tried to like Mutant Chronicles. I really did. I tried VERY hard....but that movie was an abortion.

This will turn out the same....or worse.

Sure, that is the case with all movies. That is why they are all done by smaller corporations put together just for the purposes of making the movie.

Add that to the fact that the vast majorities of movies are actually financed with investment capital (there are both banks and companies which specialize in this) there is really not a lot of chance of GW suffering any real loss. The movie may fail spectacularly but the actual investment on GWs part will likely be not much more than low 6 figures which is mostly used for paying fees and such - if Abnett doesn't have much screenwriting credit he will probably get scale for a movie which ends up being about 60k and then some residuals - although most of that money will be paid once fundraising has begun in earnest.

The first step in making a movie (after concept) is attaching talent - writers, directors, a "name" actor that can be taken to perspective investors. They are in the process of attaching the talent now - I for one would love to see their pitch pack.

I think I'd rather see someone try to pull off the Eisenhorn/Ravenor trilogies as mini-series.

I heard it was going to be rated PG and the main chapter in the movie will be the Pretty Marines.

Sadly enough I think I will go to this if its in theatres.

Timmah wrote:I heard it was going to be rated PG and the main chapter in the movie will be the Pretty Marines.

Wouldn't make much sense to do a different chapter of space marines if the name of the movie is Ultramarines...

Live action doesn't work. That's why they're doing in CG.

As for Doom and Mutant Chronicles:

Both of those had to put exposition in them due to them being a major market release. Story suffered because they had to dumb it down for those who didn't understand the Doom/Mutant Chronicles universe. They also suffered due to poor writing.

This movie is Direct to Video, meaning that they can target an audience that needs very little introduction to the universe. They've also hired an established author who understands the universe very well. I think a certain level of optimism is called for.

Somnicide wrote:

Timmah wrote:I heard it was going to be rated PG and the main chapter in the movie will be the Pretty Marines.

Wouldn't make much sense to do a different chapter of space marines if the name of the movie is Ultramarines...

No, that's a stupid idea.

I'd also like to point out that the more Hollywood touches something, the more it sucks. Imagine District 9 done by the Hollywood Machine:

It would star Will Smith, the Aliens would rap, and all the "off-putting apartheid metaphors" that didn't test well in Topeka, KS would have been removed.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:The rating is a concern. However, you can get away with a surprising amount in a 12a rated film the UK. Certainly Spiderman 3 was rated thus, and that has a fair amount of fisticuffs.

....and it was crap.

What? you didn't like the musical dance number when Peter Parker was all gothed out? (way to go ruining my childhood memories Marvel!)

Timmah wrote:

Somnicide wrote:

Timmah wrote:I heard it was going to be rated PG and the main chapter in the movie will be the Pretty Marines.

Wouldn't make much sense to do a different chapter of space marines if the name of the movie is Ultramarines...

No, that's a stupid idea.

Stop trolling, Mr. Sad Troll.

Hahaha, some of you make me laugh.

You are complaining about how bad the movie is BEFORE it's written! My God!

When you see some of the film, and it sucks, that's fair enough. I'll join you. But for now, does it help? I'm sure there are other things to rage against that may make sense.

Somnicide wrote:Nerdgasm. It will depend on the budget for how good it is.

I disagree, plenty of movies have had billions sunk into them and they still tanked.

Valhallan42nd wrote:

Stop trolling, Mr. Sad Troll.

Saying that this movie will be anything more than utter trash is trolling.

Grimgob wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:The rating is a concern. However, you can get away with a surprising amount in a 12a rated film the UK. Certainly Spiderman 3 was rated thus, and that has a fair amount of fisticuffs.

....and it was crap.

What? you didn't like the musical dance number when Peter Parker was all gothed out? (way to go ruining my childhood memories Marvel!)

He wasn't being goth, he was being emo. That's what the kids today like.

I look forward to it.
I hope it's great, as I will derive much joy from sticking this thread right back under the noses of the nay sayers who say "Nay," and I'll add in a big fat "HA!" along with it.

Eric

starbomber109 wrote:

Somnicide wrote:Nerdgasm. It will depend on the budget for how good it is.

I disagree, plenty of movies have had billions sunk into them and they still tanked.

No, but an fx driven movie with a low budget automatically sucks no matter the writing. This will be a war movie about 8 foot tall giants in power armor. If it looks like a weekend cosplay in the park, it could have an academy award winning script and still be bad.

Valhallan42nd wrote:Live action doesn't work. That's why they're doing in CG.

As for Doom and Mutant Chronicles:

Both of those had to put exposition in them due to them being a major market release. Story suffered because they had to dumb it down for those who didn't understand the Doom/Mutant Chronicles universe. They also suffered due to poor writing.

This movie is Direct to Video, meaning that they can target an audience that needs very little introduction to the universe. They've also hired an established author who understands the universe very well. I think a certain level of optimism is called for.

Optimism?

Dude.....Internet

Duh!

Deadshane1 wrote:I tried to like Mutant Chronicles. I really did. I tried VERY hard....but that movie was an abortion.

This will turn out the same....or worse.

sigh. Me too. I knew it would be awful, and it was. They actually had some decent actors in it, but with a terrible cliched script and lines that would make Lucas weep. I enjoyed bits and pieces where the costumes and atmosphere gave life to the elements that made the setting cool in the first place, but in the end it was barely comprehensable, rarely interesting, and best enjoyed with the volume off.

This is where I think 40k will fail. It's drawing from the same well; trying to add interest to testosterone-filled uber warriors doesn't leave any room for pathos, in a dark, humourless world that requires an audience to learn and embrace nihilism.

So how much time to you spend establishing the universe, and will people stick around for the ride? I don't think good CGI is enough anymore to cover a bad script. So yeah, I'm pretty skeptical.

To be fair, I know very little about Dan Abnett, but I've heard so many stories from first-time script-writers who were "shocked an appalled" at how their first attempt at a movie was butchered, and how they learned so much for their second attempt. I'd really be happier if a seasoned script writer who needed to learn the universe was used. A good story that doesn't meet the long-term fans every expectation can have a second chance to get it right, but an accurate depiction of the game with no broader audience appeal is doomed. er, Doomed.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Optimism?

Dude.....Internet Dakka

Duh!

There, I fixed it for you.

Could be worse. You could be stuck watching Twilight.

Award-winning animator and filmmaker Martyn Pick is announced as director on the ULTRAMARINES movie. Martyn is recognised for his distinctive style which fuses live action and animation.

Past work includes the 2009 feature film The Age of Stupid, on which he was animation director; London 2012, the promotional film commissioned by Film London and the London Development Agency; the 2001 US Budweiser NBA and the celebrated BBC promotional trailers for the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.

Has anybody actually seen any of those?

Sounds really bad to me when one has to promote himself with NBA trailers.

edit: typo

MoverFour wrote:Could be worse. You could be stuck watching Twilight.

Twilight was never cool to begin with.

I dont spend significant amounts of time playing with "Twilight" miniatures. (as fun as that would be)

Basically, unless your GF convinces you somehow to go see it, you dont have to endure that turd. It sucks, your friends say it sucks (except for the chicks who said it was good and know nothing about movies), and you KNOW it sucks and have no desire to see it.

We're all going to be forced into watching the 40k movie. It will suck, and you'll feel like a fool for hoping.


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ergotoxin wrote:

Award-winning animator and filmmaker Martyn Pick is announced as director on the ULTRAMARINES movie. Martyn is recognised for his distinctive style which fuses live action and animation.

Past work includes the 2009 feature film The Age of Stupid, on which he was animation director; London 2012, the promotional film commissioned by Film London and the London Development Agency; the 2001 US Budweiser NBA and the celebrated BBC promotional trailers for the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.

Has anybody actually seen any of those?

Sounds really bad to me when one has to promote yourself with NBA trailers.

"Award Winning"

He got a blue ribbon in 3rd grade for clay sculpting.

YMMV, Deadshane1

Not all of us are Rob Zombie clones and need gore-nography to make a film "good". And PG 13 movies can have significant violence in them:

Babylon AD
Clear and Present Danger
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Drag Me to Hell
Independence Day
Quantum of Solace
Casino Royale
The Bourne Series
The Batman Reboots

Not all of those are great movies, but they illustrate the level of violence capable in a PG-13 movie, and hell, Wizards was PG, . Being that it is a "cartoon", and is unlikely to focus on any sexual matters, they'll be able to get away with a hell of a lot more.

If it ends up being the fething D&D movie, I'll eat crow. But bashing it before you see it is foolish pig-headedness.

ergotoxin wrote:

Award-winning animator and filmmaker Martyn Pick is announced as director on the ULTRAMARINES movie. Martyn is recognised for his distinctive style which fuses live action and animation.

Past work includes the 2009 feature film The Age of Stupid, on which he was animation director; London 2012, the promotional film commissioned by Film London and the London Development Agency; the 2001 US Budweiser NBA and the celebrated BBC promotional trailers for the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.

Has anybody actually seen any of those?

Sounds really bad to me when one has to promote himself with NBA trailers.

edit: typo

Meh, most directors do commercials and music videos - the fact that he had NBA commercials is a big deal.

edit: David Fincher (director of Se7en and Fight Club) directed the current Nike Pro Combat commercial just to give you an idea of the competition for these big commercials.

Somnicide wrote:

ergotoxin wrote:

Award-winning animator and filmmaker Martyn Pick is announced as director on the ULTRAMARINES movie. Martyn is recognised for his distinctive style which fuses live action and animation.

Past work includes the 2009 feature film The Age of Stupid, on which he was animation director; London 2012, the promotional film commissioned by Film London and the London Development Agency; the 2001 US Budweiser NBA and the celebrated BBC promotional trailers for the Euro 2004 soccer tournament.

Has anybody actually seen any of those?

Sounds really bad to me when one has to promote himself with NBA trailers.

edit: typo

Meh, most directors do commercials and music videos - the fact that he had NBA commercials is a big deal.

edit: David Fincher (director of Se7en and Fight Club) directed the current Nike Pro Combat commercial just to give you an idea of the competition for these big commercials.

Yeah, but he certainly gets more publicity and approval for Fight Club than for a commercial. As you said, most directors do commercials, so its not really something amazing to promote yourself with.

Valhallan42nd wrote:YMMV, Deadshane1

Not all of us are Rob Zombie clones and need gore-nography to make a film "good". And PG 13 movies can have significant violence in them:

Babylon AD
Clear and Present Danger
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Drag Me to Hell
Independence Day
Quantum of Solace
Casino Royale
The Bourne Series
The Batman Reboots

Not all of those are great movies, but they illustrate the level of violence capable in a PG-13 movie, and hell, Wizards was PG, . Being that it is a "cartoon", and is unlikely to focus on any sexual matters, they'll be able to get away with a hell of a lot more.

If it ends up being the fething D&D movie, I'll eat crow. But bashing it before you see it is foolish pig-headedness.

The movies you mentioned had talented and experienced people behind them, and (mostly) great source material. The scripts were written by professional script writers. Great action movies don't need gore, as the Xmen movies showed (though I'd love to see a non-rated version where wolverine's claws actually get to disembowel some faceless minions ).

This movie could be good, that's true. But based on previous attempts with this type of core material, it's going to be an uphill battle, thus the skepticism.

Valhallan42nd wrote: But bashing it before you see it is foolish pig-headedness.

I can just as easily say that anything OTHER than bashing this movie is naive wishful thinking.

FWIW, its not that difficult to predict the outcome of these sorts of endeavors if you're familiar with movies in general.

Honestly, the outcome here is one of two choices....

Movie will be an absolute raping of the universe, will suck, be stupid and completely not satisfy.

OR

Movie will not include ENOUGH of the REAL subject matter to actually be a 40k movie. This will be due to an attempt to make the movie fit into the 70min alloted (which is in and of itself a joke considering the AMOUNT of subject matter) and/or an attempt to 'soften' the subject matter in order to attain a rating in order to target younger audiences. Hence, it will not satisfy.



Basically, the movie will not satisfy the 40k fan. My bet, is that it will SUCK in addition. A nobody director, a nobody company animating it, and no major names attached.

Now, if it was animated by Pixar with Ian Mckellan voicing an as yet unnamed Iquisitor or live action with Zack Snyder Directing, rated R for hard-core fantasy violence....then I'd be exited.

For all you people out their I have to agree that ya this probably will suck honestly. First off their has already been a live action short film for warhammer 40k that was produced many years ago and had a limited release on the 20th anniversary of Games Workshop. It was called inquisitor, and though it was cool to see live action 40k "it sounds like bolter fire...WE MUST GO BACK" it was for a better lack of a term well lame. btw that was a quote from the movie.

Did anyone see G.I. Joe: Resolute? It was an animated movie that came out alongside the recent movie. I think that Resolute is a decent benchmark for what you can get away with in an animated movie. There's blood, main characters die, and the plot isn't totally incomprehensible.

I understand the skepticism, but you guys are fething doomsayers.

Edit: At least C.S. Goto isn't writing it.